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Crop of dwarves from 4 cakes (pics)
    #14373918 - 04/29/11 05:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

all my 4 cakes pulled this crop during their first flush; something seemed to have incommodated them during fruitting. thread with pictures taken during the flushes: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14353516

I suppose it's not something you see everyday:


(freshly picked)


discussion is encouraged..


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Re: Crop of dwarves from 4 cakes (pics) [Re: mooshroom]
    #14373933 - 04/29/11 05:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Looks good, why did they turn out so small?
I suggest try spawning to hpoo trays next time, it'll make the most out of a half pint cake.


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Re: Crop of dwarves from 4 cakes (pics) [Re: mooshroom]
    #14373946 - 04/29/11 05:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Congrats, I think, a little hard to tell from the pic. Should have a nice vacation. Let us know how your trip was.
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Re: Crop of dwarves from 4 cakes (pics) [Re: mabachko]
    #14373951 - 04/29/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think that the main question that you have is: why are they that kind of small....right?


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Re: Crop of dwarves from 4 cakes (pics) [Re: FrequentFryer]
    #14373957 - 04/29/11 05:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Looks good, why did they turn out so small?
I suggest try spawning to hpoo trays next time, it'll make the most out of a half pint cake.




no idea man :shrug:
perhaps someone more experienced will be able to provide a theory.

due to logistics, doing cakes was my only option, but if circumstances change in the futre, i'll deff give spawning a try, thanks


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Re: Crop of dwarves from 4 cakes (pics) [Re: mooshroom]
    #14373970 - 04/29/11 06:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I might be able to help. I have a couple succesful flushes done so far that turned out sweet.
Give us your fanning/misting/light schedules. Does your sgfc have ventilation holes? Temps?


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Re: Crop of dwarves from 4 cakes (pics) [Re: FrequentFryer]
    #14373987 - 04/29/11 06:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

And the ammount of damp perlite.
Holes on all 6 sides of the FC?
How long was the consolidation time?
OMG many questions.....


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Re: Crop of dwarves from 4 cakes (pics) [Re: FrequentFryer]
    #14374003 - 04/29/11 06:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The flush itself lasted for almost 3 weeks; then i noticed new pins + the older fruits weren't progressing, so i figured this flush was finished.

I had been fanning 2-4 times a day; misting 4-6 times. The first 2 weeks i had paper towels on the bottom of the fc, now i am using water crystals. FC had no holes until a few days ago, now i've upgraded it with some. Lighting is as much as they can get during daytime, I'm not keeping them in a closet (nor in direct sunlight). Consolidation was one week. Also dunked them (no roll) for 24 hours after fruiting.

For pictures and information I may hav forgotten to mention, check http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14353516 .

thank you for the interest.


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Re: Crop of dwarves from 4 cakes (pics) [Re: mooshroom]
    #14374028 - 04/29/11 06:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No holes in FC = not enough FAE, but you still got shrooms.
Take what you now know and apply it to your next flush and your next batch.
Congrats.


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Re: Crop of dwarves from 4 cakes (pics) [Re: mabachko]
    #14374054 - 04/29/11 06:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Have holes in each side of your fc. If fruited properly it should hhave taken about a week a flush to get biggins. Improve your fae methods, only mist every other time you fan, don't let any water stand on the fruit bodies, and improve your lighting. Paper towels work fine for me.
For optimum lighting get a 23 watt cool white cfl and have it on 12/12. Also helps with the evaporation process and temps.


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Re: Crop of dwarves from 4 cakes (pics) [Re: mabachko]
    #14374069 - 04/29/11 06:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

on http://mushroomvideos.com they mention FAE is more important with the less CO2 tolerant species such as oysters -- rather than p. cubensis; and fanning does provide fresh air, no?

as far as my limited experience and knowledge allow me to, i'd like to suggest that there might be some other things that could have been improved as well, aside from the fc holes. i will take the time those days to make more holes in the fc walls.

atm, i'm experimenting with injectin 10cc of water in 2 of the cakes every other day; it has been noted by at least one user on shroomery to increase the size of the fruits.


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Re: Crop of dwarves from 4 cakes (pics) [Re: mooshroom]
    #14374201 - 04/29/11 07:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Improve your fae, switch your missing and fanning schedule around mist every other time you fan. Don't let any water stand on the shrooms.
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on http://mushroomvideos.com they mention FAE is more important with the less CO2 tolerant species such as oysters -- rather than p. cubensis; and fanning does provide fresh air, no?

as far as my limited experience and knowledge allow me to, i'd like to suggest that there might be some other things that could have been improved as well, aside from the fc holes. i will take the time those days to make more holes in the fc walls.

atm, i'm experimenting with injectin 10cc of water in 2 of the cakes every other day; it has been noted by at least one user on shroomery to increase the size of the fruits.



Yeah, im sure there are many things you can improve besides the holes in your fc. I mentioned many others.. But fresh air is key to succes. Otherwise.. you'll keep getting small fruits. Looks like you got about 10 grams off 4 cakes. With proper fae you could have gotten more like 5-7 grams per cake/flush. = 60grams+
Cubensis aren't very tolerant of co2, they love oxygen.
I have no knowledge of injecting cakes with water, but 10'ccs every other day is alot. I'd start with like 10cc's a week and make sure you dunk&roll before.


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Re: Crop of dwarves from 4 cakes (pics) [Re: FrequentFryer]
    #14376201 - 04/30/11 05:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Crop of dwarves from 4 cakes (pics) [Re: mooshroom]
    #14376273 - 04/30/11 07:00 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

This is a bit of a simplification but I'm thinking it goes something like this:

high fae + high water = big boomers
low fae + low water = midget boomers
high fae + low water = dry caps / aborts
low fae + high water = long fuzzy stems / aborts


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Re: Crop of dwarves from 4 cakes (pics) [Re: anonjon]
    #14413713 - 05/07/11 03:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

here's a second flush crop, from just *one* of the cakes. injecting them with 5-10cc of water every day seemed to make a huge positive difference! the cake wasn't even dunked for its second flush, but it managed to pull a bigger crop than all 4 dunked cakes together during their first flush!



goes to show how important water is!!

for the next flush, I'll dunk AND keep injecting them with water


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Re: Crop of dwarves from 4 cakes (pics) [Re: mooshroom]
    #14413796 - 05/07/11 04:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

dont overdo the water... you'll rot your cakes...


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Re: Crop of dwarves from 4 cakes (pics) [Re: slapphappypill]
    #14413886 - 05/07/11 05:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

lookin good xD


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Re: Crop of dwarves from 4 cakes (pics) [Re: drosmoka]
    #14415270 - 05/07/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

5-10cc's every other day is to much improve your fae instead


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Re: Crop of dwarves from 4 cakes (pics) [Re: FrequentFryer]
    #14415509 - 05/07/11 02:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I reckon they were *extremely* dry, judging by the impressive improvement in fruit size. that's why I continued for this flush to inject them so much water. I might experiment for the next flushes, see what happens -- I'll dunk 2 cakes, inject as much water into another cake, and inject less in the 4th one; then compare results.

But I should draw attention to this guy, he's been injecting 10cc of water daily as well.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13123096/fpart/1/vc/1


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Re: Crop of dwarves from 4 cakes (pics) [Re: mooshroom]
    #14415981 - 05/07/11 04:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I reckon they were *extremely* dry, judging by the impressive improvement in fruit size. that's why I continued for this flush to inject them so much water. I might experiment for the next flushes, see what happens -- I'll dunk 2 cakes, inject as much water into another cake, and inject less in the 4th one; then compare results.

But I should draw attention to this guy, he's been injecting 10cc of water daily as well.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13123096/fpart/1/vc/1



If they are dunked properly that's all they'll need. 24 hrs in some clean cool water. Maybe inject 5 cc's in the middle of the flush. Trust me, properly dunking/rolling and more fae and you'll be ALOT happier bro. Yeah i saw that thread awhile ago. 10 cc's every day... thats alot. He's asking for problems.


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Re: Crop of dwarves from 4 cakes (pics) [Re: FrequentFryer]
    #14416121 - 05/07/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Mooshroom why won't you listen to the advice that the Shroomerites keep repeating? Your problem is the FAE. The process of evaporation is what you're missing.

If you keep adding water you will rot your cakes. Drill some hole in your box. Fan twice as much as you mist.

......and read some more threads on here.....you don't have to re-invent the wheel.:thumbup:


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Re: Crop of dwarves from 4 cakes (pics) [Re: Chez man]
    #14416306 - 05/07/11 06:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Mooshroom why won't you listen to the advice that the Shroomerites keep repeating? Your problem is the FAE. The process of evaporation is what you're missing.

If you keep adding water you will rot your cakes. Drill some hole in your box. Fan twice as much as you mist.

......and read some more threads on here.....you don't have to re-invent the wheel.:thumbup:



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Re: Crop of dwarves from 4 cakes (pics) [Re: FrequentFryer]
    #14416326 - 05/07/11 06:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i swear ive sen this same pic/prob in a forum earlier this week.


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Re: Crop of dwarves from 4 cakes (pics) [Re: sporesmores420]
    #14418188 - 05/08/11 04:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)


i'll try to fan more and update with results, thanks.


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Re: Crop of dwarves from 4 cakes (pics) [Re: mooshroom]
    #14419784 - 05/08/11 02:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Put 1/4 inch holes in your fc every 2 inches, and fan like 5 times a day and mist half that. Also make sure there's no standing water on the fruit bodies.


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