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Re: if one day everyone in america was dosed with lsd [Re: sunset_mission]
#14376676 - 04/30/11 09:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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thats the exact rhetoric that minimizes the credibility of psychedelics. we frame it as some sort of mind altering meta-game that has winners and losers, you can either handle it and you are a cool "psychonaut" or you are unworthy of the experience and are banished to ignorance forever, it polarizes the people into the position of "oh im either a user of psychedelic drugs and i believe or im not and they don't mean anything" this isn't how psychedelics work, there is no "ultimate truth or belief" to be reached. but this isn't how things function, truth isn't a hierarchy that you eventually reach the top and succeed, knowledge and information is an infinite mesh of circumstance and opportunity, what may be true for you, isn't true for me, etc. this is what breeds horrific trips and bad experiences. psychedelics are for everyone, not just an esoteric group of lucky people. the idea that what "obama may think on acid would be stupid" or the perspective he may gain would be faulty, is exactly what deters people from using the drugs. it aggregates our culture to the group of people who do choose to play the game, regardless of if the person needs it or not. it drives people to extreme apathy when discussing drugs.
to completely exclude the possibility of even trying it is to posit that we as human beings do not have the mental capacity to overcome war, borders, nationality, culture, ethnicity, hate, greed, etc. to say that is to say that we as a people are already psychologically broken, so why even try to fix things?
its this exact politcal apathy that has brought us to the very ecological crisis that we now find ourselves wading through.
let me add that: people who use psychedelics, should engage themselves in politics. those who are engaged in politics should use psychedelics drugs. i feel as though the polarization of the two, muddles what everyone really wants in the end.
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Re: if one day everyone in america was dosed with lsd [Re: AntiEverything]
#14376689 - 04/30/11 09:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why is that in response to me? And what does that have to do with this thread?
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Re: if one day everyone in america was dosed with lsd [Re: AntiEverything]
#14376697 - 04/30/11 09:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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its to anyone, but why is it specifically in response to you?
you responded to my post by saying it might be bad because all of the following people would trip as well. im explaining why this line of thought is damaging not just to our community but i connected it with society, and the larger picture as a whole, ecology.
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Re: if one day everyone in america was dosed with lsd [Re: AntiEverything]
#14376739 - 04/30/11 09:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ah okay My bad. I'm just showing that the amount of people that would have their senses altered would be VAST, and considering that alot of factors come into play, especially a person's mentality, we'd have quite a pickle on our hands. The elite would go insane, the hillbillies would have county-wide cousin orgies, the obese would realize they're wastes of (alot of) space, douchebags would either become douchebaggier or realize their douchebagdom, and I'm pretty sure like 25% of people would go insane and start massacring others/offing themselves.
Imagine all the kids dosed too? Well, they'd probably be  in their little fantasy land, but yeah in my daily life I don't come across anybody who seems like they'd handle the psychedelic experience well.
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Re: if one day everyone in america was dosed with lsd [Re: sunset_mission]
#14376775 - 04/30/11 10:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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sunset_mission said: Fucked up shit would happen.
You realize that by everyone in America you are including, without exception:

I'm pretty sure that guy was in India or somewhere in South America? But I don't think he was in the US
[EDIT] He's from Mexico. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_Uribe
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Re: if one day everyone in america was dosed with lsd [Re: citricacidx]
#14376795 - 04/30/11 10:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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citricacidx said:
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sunset_mission said: Fucked up shit would happen.
You realize that by everyone in America you are including, without exception:

I'm pretty sure that guy was in India or somewhere in South America? But I don't think he was in the US
[EDIT] He's from Mexico. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_Uribe
Replace him with someone as equally obese then.
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Re: if one day everyone in america was dosed with lsd [Re: sunset_mission]
#14376805 - 04/30/11 10:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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if everyone was dosed with STRONG doses of LSD
everyone would be incapacitated and experiencing and just it would be so awesome but idk bout babies and thangs, they would proly be
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Re: if one day everyone in america was dosed with lsd [Re: sunset_mission]
#14376807 - 04/30/11 10:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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sunset_mission said:
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citricacidx said:
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sunset_mission said: Fucked up shit would happen.
You realize that by everyone in America you are including, without exception:

I'm pretty sure that guy was in India or somewhere in South America? But I don't think he was in the US
[EDIT] He's from Mexico. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_Uribe
Replace him with someone as equally obese then.
Although Americans are fat, there's a difference between being an overweight society and having maultiple 1,320 lb people walking around our country that are stand ins for the worlds heaviest man
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Re: if one day everyone in america was dosed with lsd [Re: citricacidx]
#14376814 - 04/30/11 10:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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citricacidx said:
I'm pretty sure that guy was in India or somewhere in South America? But I don't think he was in the US
[EDIT] He's from Mexico. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_Uribe
Well the thread title just says America, which technically includes everything south and north America. Never saw the States specifically mentioned. 
Also.
I've known a few people that do not mix with LSD at all. I am sure there are a lot more like them out there.
Psychedelics are not a cure all.
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Re: if one day everyone in america was dosed with lsd [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14376817 - 04/30/11 10:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I AM SWIM said: if everyone was dosed with STRONG doses of LSD
everyone would be incapacitated and experiencing and just it would be so awesome but idk bout babies and thangs, they would proly be 
Dude, I think some of the hardcore religious fanatics would go insane.
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Re: if one day everyone in america was dosed with lsd [Re: skatealex2]
#14376849 - 04/30/11 10:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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skatealex2 said:
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I AM SWIM said: if everyone was dosed with STRONG doses of LSD
everyone would be incapacitated and experiencing and just it would be so awesome but idk bout babies and thangs, they would proly be 
Dude, I think some of the hardcore religious fanatics would go insane. 
good.
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Re: if one day everyone in america was dosed with lsd [Re: skatealex2]
#14376866 - 04/30/11 10:31 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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skatealex2 said:
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I AM SWIM said: if everyone was dosed with STRONG doses of LSD
everyone would be incapacitated and experiencing and just it would be so awesome but idk bout babies and thangs, they would proly be 
Dude, I think some of the hardcore religious fanatics would go insane. 
i think after the experience they would be like with their religion and then become SANE
BUT i could be wrong; it could make them completlely transform into religious radicals
what needs to be done is get MAOI's in da water supply and DMT in da water supply
so everyone tripps hard core on DMT
that would be so 
then everyone will visit the godhead and know wuts up
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Re: if one day everyone in america was dosed with lsd [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14376879 - 04/30/11 10:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I AM SWIM said:
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skatealex2 said:
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I AM SWIM said: if everyone was dosed with STRONG doses of LSD
everyone would be incapacitated and experiencing and just it would be so awesome but idk bout babies and thangs, they would proly be 
Dude, I think some of the hardcore religious fanatics would go insane. 
i think after the experience they would be like with their religion and then become SANE
BUT i could be wrong; it could make them completlely transform into religious radicals
what needs to be done is get MAOI's in da water supply and DMT in da water supply
so everyone tripps hard core on DMT
that would be so 
then everyone will visit the godhead and know wuts up
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Re: if one day everyone in america was dosed with lsd [Re: sunset_mission]
#14376890 - 04/30/11 10:36 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: if one day everyone in america was dosed with lsd [Re: sunset_mission]
#14376912 - 04/30/11 10:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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The hypothetical situation where everyone in the entire country is simultaneously dosed with LSD with no warning and for many no prior experience/fundamentalist views that all drugs are evil?
People would end up dead. Think about all the Christians who would decide they were having a connect with Jeebus and think about all the crazy ass things they might do having no idea what they're on. All the people who were driving would wreck their vehicles, planes would fall out of the sky, there would be fires, poisonings, people getting hit by cars, walk off roofs, bridges.
And lots of people would just say "oh-sh- aaaaaahhhh yeaaaaaaaaaa...", spend the day exploring bark on trees and then wake up the next day feeling awesome.
Of course used under normal circumstances LSD isn't particularly dangerous.
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Re: if one day everyone in america was dosed with lsd [Re: blujay]
#14376990 - 04/30/11 10:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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obviously it wouldnt make much sense and its just a hypothetical situation. you wouldn't want a plane full of acidheads trying to navigate a space ship through the open air, that would be bad
but since when has any large group of people with different points of view (everyone on earth) broken out into anything other than a phish concert or a burning man?
ive actually never witnessed any violence or anything horrific on psychedelics, ive seen a few people completely lose their nuts and have horrific trips, but IMO it was a good thing in the long run that they felt that way, at least once, in their entire life.
but wait, are you positing that the christians who would have their POV completely warped would be a bad thing? a change in perspective, even as ephemeral as an LSD trip, can have life long consequences, all depends on how the person reacts post-trip
i agree though that an LSD trip isn't a cure all by any means. a world-wide LSD trip isn't going to save us from anything. it takes personal agency to make any real world change. it would help to de-condition the mental wounds of a non-unified society and world view
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Re: if one day everyone in america was dosed with lsd [Re: AntiEverything]
#14377014 - 04/30/11 11:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I didn't say there would be fights, I said there'd be accidents.
I think most fundamental Christians would refuse to accept the truth and live forever with the disillusionment that God spoke to them that day.
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Re: if one day everyone in america was dosed with lsd [Re: blujay]
#14377035 - 04/30/11 11:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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blujay said: I didn't say there would be fights, I said there'd be accidents.
I think most fundamental Christians would refuse to accept the truth and live forever with the disillusionment that God spoke to them that day.
"refuse to accept the truth"
wow maybe i was right, psychedelics do not change anyone's perspective on shite.
how can you even say that? how do you know that YOU are the one with the truth? how do we know we aren't all just looking thru the fishbowl?
but i suppose it does cause a lot of people to be self righteous about their opinions
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Re: if one day everyone in america was dosed with lsd [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14379029 - 04/30/11 07:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: if one day everyone in america was dosed with lsd [Re: The Boat]
#14379056 - 04/30/11 07:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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The Boat said: those would be bad trips to. i know if i started tripping and had no idea what was going on i would panic mah balls off.

thats pretty sweet but my friends would never get it first because they dont know who scumbag steve is and second they dont know what an electron/oxygen is
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