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Pan Foes?
    #14372434 - 04/29/11 12:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So after all this crazy weather here in southern Middle TN, I found these guys growing nearby. I was almost certain that they were pan foes, But the spore print is jet black... Any idea? I thought that subbs were rare in grass? Here are some pics to give you some idea.








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Re: Pan Foes? [Re: Artman223]
    #14372469 - 04/29/11 12:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I found a bunch of mushrooms that looked just like this last summer in Idaho. Looked like foes but black spore print, teensy stems, same habitat, etc.

Anyway, I decided they must've been subbs and ate like 8 grams dry, but no effects. I'm starting to think they were a different species of Panaeolus, maybe Olivaceous?


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Re: Pan Foes? [Re: norm]
    #14372506 - 04/29/11 12:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

They look like subbs or olivacues IMO, especially with the spore print. When you picked them ,did the stem change color? IF so, to what?


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Re: Pan Foes? [Re: Ieponumos]
    #14372520 - 04/29/11 12:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks guys! Honestly, I didnt notice but I was busy trying to clean up my yard from all the downed branches and stuff and saw these in my neighbors yard. I will go pick one and see. How fast does the change usually occur?


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Re: Pan Foes? [Re: Artman223]
    #14372530 - 04/29/11 01:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Looks like Panaeolus cinctulus, at least the specimen that left that spore print.


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Re: Pan Foes? [Re: Artman223]
    #14372575 - 04/29/11 01:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Artman223 said:
Thanks guys! Honestly, I didnt notice but I was busy trying to clean up my yard from all the downed branches and stuff and saw these in my neighbors yard. I will go pick one and see. How fast does the change usually occur?




Not more than a couple minutes. Subbs/olives often get a red bruising like





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Re: Pan Foes? [Re: Ieponumos]
    #14372661 - 04/29/11 01:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for the pics leponumos... They definitely turn a darker brownish-red where cut and pinched.


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Re: Pan Foes? [Re: Artman223]
    #14372711 - 04/29/11 01:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If these are subbs or olivacues growing in grass would the potency still be noticable? I have heard that subbs in grass are usually weaker IIRC...


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Re: Pan Foes? [Re: Artman223]
    #14372747 - 04/29/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i dont know where you herd that subbs are rare in grass. i only find subbs in grass and yes they are just as potent.

in my oppinion they are without a doubt subbs but im no TI


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Re: Pan Foes? [Re: applesmasher420]
    #14372931 - 04/29/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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i dont know where you herd that subbs are rare in grass. i only find subbs in grass and yes they are just as potent.

in my oppinion they are without a doubt subbs but im no TI




The look like Panaeolus to me.

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Re: Pan Foes? [Re: Ieponumos]
    #14373025 - 04/29/11 02:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I just hope they are potent!!! Hunting Isn't as good as it could be around here. Ive seen few cubes but only down southwest Tn and I have heard that P.caerulipes and P.ovoideocystidiata grow in the state but have yet to ever see anyone who has indeed found them :frown: So far the only active species I have witnessed myself in this state is G. aeruginosus. Hopefully this year brings better luck!!!


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Re: Pan Foes? [Re: Artman223]
    #14373055 - 04/29/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I just hope they are potent!!! Hunting Isn't as good as it could be around here. Ive seen few cubes but only down southwest Tn and I have heard that P.caerulipes and P.ovoideocystidiata grow in the state but have yet to ever see anyone who has indeed found them :frown: So far the only active species I have witnessed myself in this state is G. aeruginosus. Hopefully this year brings better luck!!!




Potent? Sorry bro, no dice. Active? Yes. Even when I did those olivaceus, the effects did not outweigh the nausea induced by them. That also could be the fact that I ingested pesticides, but regardless they aren't going to be strong enough to work by themselves. Find 30 grams of fresh material and you'll get a trip most likely.


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Re: Pan Foes? [Re: Artman223]
    #14373064 - 04/29/11 02:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

good luck! :laugh:

if your not sure on dosages use the shroomery dosage calculator http://www.shroomery.org/6257/Magic-Mushroom-Dosage-Calculator

as potency varies between species ^_^


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Re: Pan Foes? [Re: applesmasher420]
    #14373088 - 04/29/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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good luck! :laugh:

if your not sure on dosages use the shroomery dosage calculator http://www.shroomery.org/6257/Magic-Mushroom-Dosage-Calculator

as potency varies between species ^_^




And it varies from specimen to specimen, too.


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Re: Pan Foes? [Re: Ieponumos]
    #14373089 - 04/29/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Potent? Sorry bro, no dice. Active? Yes. Even when I did those olivaceus, the effects did not outweigh the nausea induced by them. That also could be the fact that I ingested pesticides, but regardless they aren't going to be strong enough to work by themselves. Find 30 grams of fresh material and you'll get a trip most likely.




from my experience 4 - 5 grams of dry cincts does me good ^_^ and i didnt have any sort of nausea but then again neither do cubes. but ive seen some of my friends get naucious from them.

also their good for you they contain 5 htp serotonin :bigjoint:


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Re: Pan Foes? [Re: Ieponumos]
    #14373090 - 04/29/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Guess I'll pass on that one lol...  Doesn't sound very appealing. Looks like I'll keep hunting for the caerulipes and ovoideocystidiata if they're really there :confused: lol


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Re: Pan Foes? [Re: Ieponumos]
    #14373093 - 04/29/11 03:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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And it varies from specimen to specimen, too.




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Re: Pan Foes? [Re: applesmasher420]
    #14373096 - 04/29/11 03:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

looks like a cinctulus to me due to the dark spore print.  Now go pick at least another 50+ :thumbup:


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Re: Pan Foes? [Re: Artman223]
    #14373097 - 04/29/11 03:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I guess 5 grams isnt too bad lol Ill save it for if all else fails lol. Would it be equal to 5 grams of cubes? I think I remember reading MJ saying somewhere that they were of about equal potency dried??


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Re: Pan Foes? [Re: Artman223]
    #14373105 - 04/29/11 03:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I guess 5 grams isnt too bad lol Ill save it for if all else fails lol. Would it be equal to 5 grams of cubes? I think I remember reading MJ saying somewhere that they were of about equal potency dried??




They are comparable, yes.


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