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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14369159 - 04/28/11 07:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

America, the country backed by pro-Christian morals has killed more innocent people(particularly innocent brown people) then any other country/religious system in the world. Christianity is and has been the single biggest reactionary force since the emergence of the judeo-christian religions. Not only has it caused of millions if not billions of deaths, but it has also hindered scientific progress and in turn our own evolution.

Islam in particular is really no different then Christianity, the only difference in todays world is that Islamic countries have not had their 'proper revolutions' that the western world has already gone through(women rights, gays, etc). Islam in todays world is basically how Christian culture and societies were back in the day. Just as, if not more brutal and limiting. Christians are no different, they all believe the same bullshit that's been spoonfed to them since birth.

Only difference now is that muslim 'terrorists' are a rag tag group of people using weapons that they most likely bought from America many years ago... where as America, particularly our govt and military which is diluted with a bunch of religious fucks use much better weapons, kill way more innocent people and are just better murderers in general.

As for 9/11, who's to say that it was caused by muslims anyway? Please prove... and don't use FoxNews'Americas most trusted news source' as your reference :wink:

It doesn't take a scientist to figure out that all you need to do to get popular backing in a war is make it look like your country got attacked first, preferably killing around 1000-3000 of your own people. Worked atleast 3 times in america and in Germany. The end... go fuck yourselves :heart:


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: foliocb]
    #14369332 - 04/28/11 08:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I agree with everything you just said.

Also, I happen to have come to the conclusion that anyone who believes a simple mythology can unilaterally cause a person to do violence (or make any other decision, for that matter) is a theist. The belief I have described implies the existence of supernatural forces which influence the natural world.


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: foliocb]
    #14371701 - 04/29/11 08:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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foliocb said:
America, the country backed by pro-Christian morals has killed more innocent people(particularly innocent brown people) then any other country/religious system in the world. Christianity is and has been the single biggest reactionary force since the emergence of the judeo-christian religions. Not only has it caused of millions if not billions of deaths, but it has also hindered scientific progress and in turn our own evolution.

Islam in particular is really no different then Christianity, the only difference in todays world is that Islamic countries have not had their 'proper revolutions' that the western world has already gone through(women rights, gays, etc). Islam in todays world is basically how Christian culture and societies were back in the day. Just as, if not more brutal and limiting. Christians are no different, they all believe the same bullshit that's been spoonfed to them since birth.

Only difference now is that muslim 'terrorists' are a rag tag group of people using weapons that they most likely bought from America many years ago... where as America, particularly our govt and military which is diluted with a bunch of religious fucks use much better weapons, kill way more innocent people and are just better murderers in general.

As for 9/11, who's to say that it was caused by muslims anyway? Please prove... and don't use FoxNews'Americas most trusted news source' as your reference :wink:

It doesn't take a scientist to figure out that all you need to do to get popular backing in a war is make it look like your country got attacked first, preferably killing around 1000-3000 of your own people. Worked atleast 3 times in america and in Germany. The end... go fuck yourselves :heart:




What utter nonsense but this is the wrong forum for a complete rebuttal.

Like I said, Christianity was violently oppressive several hundred years ago.  I don't live several hundred years ago.  I live now, when Muslims are violently oppressive.  Millions upon millions of them.


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14371735 - 04/29/11 08:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

These Islam sympathizers will never get it--just look at them, they bring up shit from centuries ago as evidence to back up their position that Islam is not a violent religion. :imslow:


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: Poid]
    #14371993 - 04/29/11 10:39 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Palestinian bombings of civilians are due much more to political reasons than religious ones. Their fucking country was taken away and given to the Israelis, who perpetrate violence against them. I would be kind of pissed too.


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: NetDiver]
    #14372035 - 04/29/11 10:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Samurai Drifter said:
Palestinian bombings of civilians are due much more to political reasons than religious ones.


Maybe, but we're not talking about just them, we're talking about all Muslims from around the globe--I'm sure they inject their religion into the killings somehow, though.


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Their fucking country was taken away and given to the Israelis, who perpetrate violence against them. I would be kind of pissed too.


They lost their land in a war, similarly to how Mexico lost a whole bunch of land to the US in a war; Israel perpetrates violence against them in defense of that land.


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14372162 - 04/29/11 11:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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What utter nonsense but this is the wrong forum for a complete rebuttal.




What utter nonsense - this is a debate forum. If you don't want to form a complete rebuttal, just admit that you're too lazy to write the book it would require to do so adequately.


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: NetDiver]
    #14372167 - 04/29/11 11:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Their fucking country was taken away and given to the Israelis, who perpetrate violence against them. I would be kind of pissed too.




Sounds like white guilt to me.


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14372170 - 04/29/11 11:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
What utter nonsense but this is the wrong forum for a complete rebuttal.




What utter nonsense - this is a debate forum.


Yeah, but guess which forum this isn't. :strokebeard:


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Their fucking country was taken away and given to the Israelis, who perpetrate violence against them. I would be kind of pissed too.




Sounds like white guilt to me.


Maybe. :shrug:


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: Poid]
    #14372208 - 04/29/11 11:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Are you saying that discussion regarding the real-world circumstances to which people adapt their philosophies is inappropriate for the philosophical debate forum?


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14372213 - 04/29/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

No, I'm saying that it's not utter nonsense that zappa doesn't feel like this is the proper forum for political discussion. I think we have a forum for that here somewhere...:strokebeard:


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: Poid]
    #14372222 - 04/29/11 11:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think foliocb was making a political argument. He was examining the intersection between politics, philosophy, and theology, which is massive. If such discussion is inappropriate here, then neither is it appropriate in the politics forum or the spirituality forum.


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14372232 - 04/29/11 11:38 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't think foliocb was making a political argument.


Because his argument is what zappa thought is inappropriate for this forum. :lol:


You put it in bold yourself, genius, wrong forum for a complete rebuttal.


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: Poid]
    #14372240 - 04/29/11 11:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Then NO forum is appropriate for a complete rebuttal, and we shall resign ourselves to arguing in neatly discrete circles.


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14372379 - 04/29/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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foliocb said:
America, the country backed by pro-Christian morals has killed more innocent people(particularly innocent brown people) then any other country/religious system in the world. Christianity is and has been the single biggest reactionary force since the emergence of the judeo-christian religions. Not only has it caused of millions if not billions of deaths, but it has also hindered scientific progress and in turn our own evolution.

Islam in particular is really no different then Christianity, the only difference in todays world is that Islamic countries have not had their 'proper revolutions' that the western world has already gone through(women rights, gays, etc). Islam in todays world is basically how Christian culture and societies were back in the day. Just as, if not more brutal and limiting. Christians are no different, they all believe the same bullshit that's been spoonfed to them since birth.

Only difference now is that muslim 'terrorists' are a rag tag group of people using weapons that they most likely bought from America many years ago... where as America, particularly our govt and military which is diluted with a bunch of religious fucks use much better weapons, kill way more innocent people and are just better murderers in general.

As for 9/11, who's to say that it was caused by muslims anyway? Please prove... and don't use FoxNews'Americas most trusted news source' as your reference :wink:

It doesn't take a scientist to figure out that all you need to do to get popular backing in a war is make it look like your country got attacked first, preferably killing around 1000-3000 of your own people. Worked atleast 3 times in america and in Germany. The end... go fuck yourselves :heart:




What utter nonsense but this is the wrong forum for a complete rebuttal.

Like I said, Christianity was violently oppressive several hundred years ago.  I don't live several hundred years ago.  I live now, when Muslims are violently oppressive.  Millions upon millions of them.


You made a very good rebuttal to my last post, so I have another question for you.  How many American Evangelicals do you think support Holy War in the Middle East as a way of bringing about the End of Days?  I'd bet it's in the tens of millions.


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: Lion]
    #14372382 - 04/29/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Damn, Lion, that is some nasty white guilt you've got going on there.


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: Lion]
    #14372401 - 04/29/11 12:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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foliocb said:
America, the country backed by pro-Christian morals has killed more innocent people(particularly innocent brown people) then any other country/religious system in the world. Christianity is and has been the single biggest reactionary force since the emergence of the judeo-christian religions. Not only has it caused of millions if not billions of deaths, but it has also hindered scientific progress and in turn our own evolution.

Islam in particular is really no different then Christianity, the only difference in todays world is that Islamic countries have not had their 'proper revolutions' that the western world has already gone through(women rights, gays, etc). Islam in todays world is basically how Christian culture and societies were back in the day. Just as, if not more brutal and limiting. Christians are no different, they all believe the same bullshit that's been spoonfed to them since birth.

Only difference now is that muslim 'terrorists' are a rag tag group of people using weapons that they most likely bought from America many years ago... where as America, particularly our govt and military which is diluted with a bunch of religious fucks use much better weapons, kill way more innocent people and are just better murderers in general.

As for 9/11, who's to say that it was caused by muslims anyway? Please prove... and don't use FoxNews'Americas most trusted news source' as your reference :wink:

It doesn't take a scientist to figure out that all you need to do to get popular backing in a war is make it look like your country got attacked first, preferably killing around 1000-3000 of your own people. Worked atleast 3 times in america and in Germany. The end... go fuck yourselves :heart:




What utter nonsense but this is the wrong forum for a complete rebuttal.

Like I said, Christianity was violently oppressive several hundred years ago.  I don't live several hundred years ago.  I live now, when Muslims are violently oppressive.  Millions upon millions of them.


You made a very good rebuttal to my last post, so I have another question for you.  How many American Evangelicals do you think support Holy War in the Middle East as a way of bringing about the End of Days?  I'd bet it's in the tens of millions.



Support?  As far as I know, none.  They sure aren't chopping any heads off over it or sending money to the families of suicide bombers.


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14372404 - 04/29/11 12:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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How many American Evangelicals do you think support Holy War in the Middle East as a way of bringing about the End of Days?  I'd bet it's in the tens of millions.




Id bet its orders of magnitude less than that.

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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14372411 - 04/29/11 12:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

How many of those 68% of Palestinian Muslims who support terrorist action against what they see as colonialists and invaders are actually chopping off heads and launching missiles? And how many of them have carried out suicide bombings? :rolleyes:


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: DieCommie]
    #14372412 - 04/29/11 12:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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How many American Evangelicals do you think support Holy War in the Middle East as a way of bringing about the End of Days?  I'd bet it's in the tens of millions.




Id bet its orders of magnitude less than that.




Please back your wagers up with data.


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