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Coir Question Pls help
    #14366525 - 04/28/11 11:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hello good people

I have two 500ml jars that are 90% colonized with my first LC which im happy to say turned out clean. I was not sure this would work so I ended up with only two jars which isnt much and im not sure what to do from here.

I would like to use Damion5050 coir tek but since I do not have enough spawn i'm not sure how to modify things. Possibly given my situation there is a better option?

I used hard wheat kernal if that makes a difference and this is my first attempt at something other then BRF cakes. Thanks in advance for the advice.


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: iSHACKA]
    #14366585 - 04/28/11 11:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i used damion coir tek to make a coir cake like this


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: k00laid]
    #14366621 - 04/28/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What are you trying to do...Make a tub?

In any case you really don't need a tek when working with coco-coir...

You need...
1. Hot water
2. Bricks of Coco-Coir
3. A thermostat

1. Expand the bricks with hot water (this only takes a few mins 15-30)
2. Get your water to 170-190 degrees.
3. Let the expanded bricks sit in a bucket with the 170-190 degree water for 2 hrs.
4. Drain and let cool for 7-12 hours.

I use 190 degree water because by the time the bucket of coco-coir has been sitting in hot water it starts to lose heat quickly. By the time the 2 hours are up, I've found the water to be in most cases 140-160 degrees. Using slightly hot water causes the water temps to average out to be 170 degrees over 2 hours.

Also, I never use additives. I find them just to be a pain in the ass. They really don't add much in terms of yields and generally cause contams. Normal Coco-Coir is plenty nutritious for mushrooms.I have no clue who spreads rumors that coco-coir on it's own gives sub par results...I can tell you they're wrong though. 


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: ronjohn7779]
    #14366657 - 04/28/11 12:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I apologize my post was a little all over the place. I am considering making a tub, but with so little spawn im kinda worried about what size tub would work?

Could I use something like a tinfoil dish, and place that inside my SGFC?

Koolaid:

How did you make that cake it looks like your got good results.


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: iSHACKA]
    #14366661 - 04/28/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

iSHACKA said:
I apologize my post was a little all over the place. I am considering making a tub, but with so little spawn im kinda worried about what size tub would work?

Could I use something like a tinfoil dish, and place that inside my SGFC?

Koolaid:

How did you make that cake it looks like your got good results.




lol i told u.

make spawn
do damion coir tek. which is basically what that d00d posted about his coir prep.

instead of putting coir into tub. put coir and spawn into bowl.

cover. colonize.
fruit in sgfc on foil. (see pic)


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Re: Mentor ship Needed :) [Re: k00laid]
    #14366666 - 04/28/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

im stoned

But this makes sense!!! lol thanks for being patience :P


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: iSHACKA]
    #14366671 - 04/28/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

iSHACKA said:
I apologize my post was a little all over the place. I am considering making a tub, but with so little spawn im kinda worried about what size tub would work?

Could I use something like a tinfoil dish, and place that inside my SGFC?

Koolaid:

How did you make that cake it looks like your got good results.



18 gallon tub.
1 Brick of Coco-Coir
3 quarts of Rye berry Spawn for every brick of Coco-Coir you use.

*General observation rye berry works best since the berry's are so small and they have amazing surface area. With other spawns you may need to use more. For instance BRF cakes as spawn will need way more then 3 quarts. Something in the neighborhood of 4-6 quarts for every brink of coco-coir. Why this is true I have no clue, but I've experienced this issue in the past 3 quarts of BRF just aren't as good of a spawn as 3 quarts of rye berries.

If you want to make mini-monotubs or trays the same process applies.


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: ronjohn7779]
    #14366733 - 04/28/11 12:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I know your anxious to get started but why not do some GTG to increase your spawn first that way you'll increase your stock of spawn and won't have to start over


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: ronjohn7779]
    #14366751 - 04/28/11 12:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Here is a picture, should have posted this in the first place. How do they look? This is like day 10 from LC.

The larger jar shown, which I didnt initially mention was at 30% and I shook yesterday. It is MS so going much slower, but same strain PE



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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: iSHACKA]
    #14366900 - 04/28/11 01:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So I do Damion5050 tek, no problem. When I put it into the bowl do I need to break up the wheat and cover the outside with the coir?  How thick of a layer would I use?


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: iSHACKA]
    #14366936 - 04/28/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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iSHACKA said:
Here is a picture, should have posted this in the first place. How do they look? This is like day 10 from LC.

The larger jar shown, which I didnt initially mention was at 30% and I shook yesterday. It is MS so going much slower, but same strain PE





They look fine. Those look about 90% finished. You should be good to go by this weekend.


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: iSHACKA]
    #14367211 - 04/28/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

iSHACKA said:
So I do Damion5050 tek, no problem. When I put it into the bowl do I need to break up the wheat and cover the outside with the coir?  How thick of a layer would I use?




Essentially 2 ways to do it.

1. You take your pasteurized coir and do a lasagna.  thin layer of coir, thin layer of colonized spawn, thin layer of coir, ehin layer of spawn and repeat.  For the very top layer you can do a thin layer of coir or a "frosting layer" which is a thin layer of colonized spawn. Some people feel this helps creat a protective layer of mycelium making it harder for other contams to penetrate the top layer.

2. You take your pasteurized coir and spawn put them together and mix them together.  for the very top layer, you have the same two options as above.


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: m_jacobs]
    #14367305 - 04/28/11 02:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I do both methods..depends on my mood both have worked equally well for me but I always leave a thin layer of substrate (horse manure or coir)as a top layer.I just don't like the idea of exposing the recently broken up spawn to contams until it has a chance to recover


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14367316 - 04/28/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thank you both

So if i do the lasagna method, would I birth the lasagn like a cake, or leave it in the tray/bowl and place that in the FC


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: iSHACKA]
    #14367341 - 04/28/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Let it fully colonize then consolodate (if you want to its optional)then case (also optional) then put it in the fruiting chamber in the tray


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14371749 - 04/29/11 08:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If I let it consolidate, then swawn to coir, would it not have to consolidate again?

Or can i just spawn it once its 100% colonized?


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: iSHACKA]
    #14371863 - 04/29/11 09:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Spawn it as soon as its 100% colonized just to keep the mycelium on a roll then consolodate it (if you want)


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: iSHACKA]
    #14371868 - 04/29/11 09:52 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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iSHACKA said:
If I let it consolidate, then swawn to coir, would it not have to consolidate again?

Or can i just spawn it once its 100% colonized?




Hey iSHACKA..

I have a few different sized trays that i spawned wheat berries to...  I just mix the coir/grains together in the tray, then put a thin layer of coir on top...
when spawning, I don't think the myc needs to consolidate... only if it's to be fruited should you let it consolidate...  IMHO

Good luck man!!  keep us updated...


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14371972 - 04/29/11 10:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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steelmonkey said:
I know your anxious to get started but why not do some GTG to increase your spawn first that way you'll increase your stock of spawn and won't have to start over



this. :thumbup:

don't do a frosting layer. it's outdated, and steelmonkey
is absolutely right that it actually opens you up to MORE
contams than not. use some coir to make a thin layer
on top, about 1/4 inch or so. try not to leave ANY exposed grains.

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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: Fungal growth]
    #14372146 - 04/29/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

properly pasteurized bulk substrate or casing layers are more resistant to contams than recently broken up spawn is.

aka. i agree.


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