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Offlinebholzer
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Re: Knowledge lost after mushroom trip [Re: bigmike7104]
    #14368884 - 04/28/11 07:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I refuse to accept the mystical, spiritual, religious, or even positive use of these drugs




what about all the studies that are showing it's benefit?




Just because he refuses the benefits, doesn't mean they aren't there. He just personally doesn't benefit, whereas some would.


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Re: Knowledge lost after mushroom trip [Re: bigmike7104]
    #14368892 - 04/28/11 07:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I refuse to accept the mystical, spiritual, religious, or even positive use of these drugs




what about all the studies that are showing it's benefit?




They're studies conducted by the usual suspects of drug-addled PHds who have dedicated their lives to the promotion and positive publicity of these drugs.  Kind of like lung cancer studies funded and directed by the cigarette companies.


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Re: Knowledge lost after mushroom trip [Re: bholzer]
    #14369087 - 04/28/11 07:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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bigmike7104 said:
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I refuse to accept the mystical, spiritual, religious, or even positive use of these drugs




what about all the studies that are showing it's benefit?




Just because he refuses the benefits, doesn't mean they aren't there. He just personally doesn't benefit, whereas some would.




I do benefit from the use of psychedelic drugs!

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Re: Knowledge lost after mushroom trip [Re: 1983]
    #14369103 - 04/28/11 07:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I do benefit from the use of psychedelic drugs!




That's what I'm saying, a lot of people do benefit, myself included.


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Re: Knowledge lost after mushroom trip [Re: joemolloy]
    #14369188 - 04/28/11 08:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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bigmike7104 said:
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I refuse to accept the mystical, spiritual, religious, or even positive use of these drugs




what about all the studies that are showing it's benefit?




They're studies conducted by the usual suspects of drug-addled PHds who have dedicated their lives to the promotion and positive publicity of these drugs.  Kind of like lung cancer studies funded and directed by the cigarette companies.




most don't just study psychedelics. many are researchers that study the brain and it's disorders and do all different type of studies.


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Re: Knowledge lost after mushroom trip [Re: joemolloy]
    #14369222 - 04/28/11 08:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm channeling her spirit.  Can't you tell?




I always thought she was the brains behind Ronnie. :zombie5:

:peace:PS

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Re: Knowledge lost after mushroom trip [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #14369335 - 04/28/11 08:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"One of the most interesting effects is the feeling of awakening for the first time ever from a previous state of sleep, of liberation from what is now seen as a life-long state of bondage. Paradoxically, it is this new awareness that feels normal and natural and the previous fog is seen to have been unreal all along. The bemushroomed seeker is convinced that, once gained, this awareness is impossible to lose, but inexplicably by the next day it is just a memory."

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Re: Knowledge lost after mushroom trip [Re: Supermario420]
    #14369633 - 04/28/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Supermario420 said:
all knowledge, in itself, is already there. It is up to our experiences to further open the doors to it.




I agree to this, and I will say that psychedelics open these doors. During the mental state of psychedelics, the doors are open. Because of this, new information is visible. After the drug wears off, these chemical doors close, rendering this new insight imperceptible.

Another analogy:
You are in space. You are quite familiar with the stars around you, having lived there all your life. When perspective is altered - that is, when the point which you are is moved - you can see new stars, and, looking back in the direction from which you have come, the other sides of those familiar stars are seen. This allows for tremendous enlightenment. Upon returning though, you are blind to all that you have seen. You can remember the view, but you aren't there. And knowing that is a horrible feeling.

And what a great many stars are out there!?


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Re: Knowledge lost after mushroom trip [Re: joemolloy]
    #14369767 - 04/28/11 09:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I agree with this and I put the psychedelic experience in the same league as a nice masturbation session or a trip to an amusement park.  To elevate it above those two would be like sanctifying the orgasm from a satisfying internet porn expedition.



You seem to have a very negative, unshakable view on psychedelics.... I don't understand why you waste your time here, you must be bored out of ur fuckin mind all the time or something.

I absolutely appreciate opposing viewpoints, because everybody has them and I've learned through my use of psychedelics just how subjective everything is. Which brings me to my next point.

If you really have taken "loads" of psychedelic drugs as you say you have, you would understand that what you experience is not at all reflective on the whole. I and many others (maybe you, tho it doesn't seem like it) have discovered the complete subjectivity of the human experience. Some of the applicable byproducts being open-mindedness, acceptance, humbleness, and a desire to help your brethren

The key word here is subjectivity. And you really don't seem to understand it or you wouldn't be shoving YOUR experience down OUR throats. Let's say you join the army, don't fit in to your squad, and are socially outcast. You really hate being bossed around, you hate physical work, and dread the stress putting your life on the line constantly provokes in you. All in all you have a terrible time.

Now when you finally are discharged, would it be better to run around and waste your time bitching about how evil the army is and how you're bound to have an absolutely awful time and it's a retarded idea to want to join. Or would it be better to state YOUR experiences participating and possibly some qualities about you (for relatability), or maybe just a "I have no idea what it would be like for you, but I know I fucking hated it."

Now that's just an example, I'm not condoning militaristic actions or viewpoints. But wouldn't you say the latter is the better option? MANY people have great times in the army and it really helps them get on their feet. It can give them a boost in their life when they need it most, teach them the value of teamwork, sacrifice, discipline. Who the fuck are you to tell them that it was a waste of time, or their positive feelings towards it aren't warranted.

You wonder why people here get defensive.... It's because you're essentially calling them delusional, telling them these extremely positive changes brought about by intense psychedelic experiences are unfounded and based off of lies. Which couldn't be further from the truth (i've seen it in myself and others in rl). when people bring up valid points you either ignore them (you seem to pick your arguments wisely) or respond with cynicism. You compare something that completely destroyed our conditioned ideas of reality to jackin off, man that shits just offensive and ignorant

You seem to think there is nothing to be learned from alternate mindstates, but only from reading books. While I'm an avid reader, I can fully appreciate the value of learning firsthand about our mind and it's limits. Language can only teach you so much as it's just symbols categorizing other people's experiences, check out the quote in my sig.

Idk man.... I think you're either a drug-free activist in disguise, someone who took way too many drugs and fucked up their mental stability, or a poor societally conditioned person who saw "the truth" and was terrified of it (the truth being we don't know the truth and likely never will)


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Re: Knowledge lost after mushroom trip [Re: Synapses-R-Us]
    #14369816 - 04/28/11 09:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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joemolloy said:
I agree with this and I put the psychedelic experience in the same league as a nice masturbation session or a trip to an amusement park.  To elevate it above those two would be like sanctifying the orgasm from a satisfying internet porn expedition.



You seem to have a very negative, unshakable view on psychedelics.... I don't understand why you waste your time here, you must be bored out of ur fuckin mind all the time or something.

I absolutely appreciate opposing viewpoints, because everybody has them and I've learned through my use of psychedelics just how subjective everything is. Which brings me to my next point.

If you really have taken "loads" of psychedelic drugs as you say you have, you would understand that what you experience is not at all reflective on the whole. I and many others (maybe you, tho it doesn't seem like it) have discovered the complete subjectivity of the human experience. Some of the applicable byproducts being open-mindedness, acceptance, humbleness, and a desire to help your brethren

The key word here is subjectivity. And you really don't seem to understand it or you wouldn't be shoving YOUR experience down OUR throats. Let's say you join the army, don't fit in to your squad, and are socially outcast. You really hate being bossed around, you hate physical work, and dread the stress putting your life on the line constantly provokes in you. All in all you have a terrible time.

Now when you finally are discharged, would it be better to run around and waste your time bitching about how evil the army is and how you're bound to have an absolutely awful time and it's a retarded idea to want to join. Or would it be better to state YOUR experiences participating and possibly some qualities about you (for relatability), or maybe just a "I have no idea what it would be like for you, but I know I fucking hated it."

Now that's just an example, I'm not condoning militaristic actions or viewpoints. But wouldn't you say the latter is the better option? MANY people have great times in the army and it really helps them get on their feet. It can give them a boost in their life when they need it most, teach them the value of teamwork, sacrifice, discipline. Who the fuck are you to tell them that it was a waste of time, or their positive feelings towards it aren't warranted.

You wonder why people here get defensive.... It's because you're essentially calling them delusional, telling them these extremely positive changes brought about by intense psychedelic experiences are unfounded and based off of lies. Which couldn't be further from the truth (i've seen it in myself and others in rl). when people bring up valid points you either ignore them (you seem to pick your arguments wisely) or respond with cynicism. You compare something that completely destroyed our conditioned ideas of reality to jackin off, man that shits just offensive and ignorant

You seem to think there is nothing to be learned from alternate mindstates, but only from reading books. While I'm an avid reader, I can fully appreciate the value of learning firsthand about our mind and it's limits. Language can only teach you so much as it's just symbols categorizing other people's experiences, check out the quote in my sig.

Idk man.... I think you're either a drug-free activist in disguise, someone who took way too many drugs and fucked up their mental stability, or a poor societally conditioned person who saw "the truth" and was terrified of it (the truth being we don't know the truth and likely never will)




Hey man, don't hate. He's just a pretty cynical guy. It's another good viewpoint to have in the community. It's a way to keep people thinking about their psychedelic experiences, just in a different way. It's a view that can keep us grounded in a way.


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Re: Knowledge lost after mushroom trip [Re: bholzer]
    #14369952 - 04/28/11 10:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I wouldn't wanna give off that impression... I can tho sometimes, I respect his place in our community and now that I think about it I might actually enjoy having him here. I just wish he would be a liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitle bit more open minded maybe??


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Re: Knowledge lost after mushroom trip [Re: Synapses-R-Us]
    #14369957 - 04/28/11 10:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Isn't it implied that everything on these forums is an opinion?  So if I prefaced every statement with "In my opinion" all would be well with the shroomery?  Bullshit.  You are pissed because I question your psychedelic religion.




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Re: Knowledge lost after mushroom trip [Re: obladi oblada]
    #14369984 - 04/28/11 10:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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joemolloy said:
Isn't it implied that everything on these forums is an opinion?  So if I prefaced every statement with "In my opinion" all would be well with the shroomery?  Bullshit.  You are pissed because I question your psychedelic religion.







lol my 'psychedelic religion' and no, it completely depends on what you say brah, if you try to talk in absolutes treating subjective ideas as objective and such then I think a simple IMO wouldn't suffice


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Re: Knowledge lost after mushroom trip [Re: joemolloy]
    #14370004 - 04/28/11 10:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I cannot express how much the insights I have experienced while on psychedelics have catalyzed my growth as a person. I often used to complain about that same idea, that the insights seemed so tangible and so limitless under the influence then when you back to "reality" and all the pressures, responsibilities, and thought processes of the place we've been born into begin to bring us out of focus. It was and still is a constant struggle for me to maintain awareness enough to apply what I've learned but it's becoming easier and easier. Overall, I've benefited myself so much from pursuing that perspective in everyday life.




Your words were my words for two years and no one could tell me otherwise.  I was adamant that my life was changed for the better.  But as I read your post, it hits me so fucking hard - the lack of detail, the lack of examples, the reliance on such general statements.  Can you pin it down?  It's tough.  I could never articulate anything other than abstract, vague quasi-ideas that sort of made me feel good.  That was a bitch for me when I reached that conclusion.  Merrygangster, I hope your life is improved because of your trips, I hope that you've gained deep insights into yourself and acted upon them.  Maybe I'm just an unlucky fuck. 

To be honest, my most intense and productive growth came from ordering dozens of $4 textbooks off of Ebay.  I'd buy the thickest and cheapest biology, anthropology, psychology, sociology, philosophy, etc. books and just skim them all the time.  That's fucking growth.  My college education can't compare to the years I've spent reading textbooks for fun.  Nothing has had such a tremendous impact on my understanding of the world and my place in it.  Psychedelics can't hold a candle to it.  And you're right, I sound gay as hell, like a fucking 1980s Reading is Fundamental public advertisement, but nothing has affected as deeply as reading textbooks.  I'll always be a skeptic though, I question a lot of the claims in textbooks and call bullshit on them with the same fervor (but less frequency) as I do on the psychedelic experience.




tryin to open the door with a bumb key.
its not about articulating it or pinning it down.

its just about enjoying the simple experience.

however simply complex it may be :awecid:


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Re: Knowledge lost after mushroom trip [Re: k00laid]
    #14370766 - 04/29/11 12:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think there's a difference between saying that you can't learn the secrets of the universe from drugs, and you can't benefit from them in any way.  I don't think there's anything in psychedelics than what's there in your mind, consciously and unconsciously, and the input you get from your five senses during the trip.  I think the benefit comes from being able to pass some of that unconscious information to your conscious mind.  I think what joemolloy is saying is that it's silly to think you can get any more out of it than you already know.  He seems to take it one step further to the idea that what you think you realize in that state is no more profound a realization than those you have in a normal state of mind, and therefore you don't actually benefit from them.  Correct me if I'm wrong about this, it's just what it seems to me that you're saying.

And that's all fine.  I agree with that, but I don't agree that it doesn't allow you to think in different ways and see things under a different light, which is what I think the benefit is.  Often people say it seems like they were looking at things for the first time, and that's what I think that is.  You see things from a different perspective, and that can be extremely beneficial.  You can see things without so much preconception and bias.

I also think you can benefit from temporarily bridging the gap between your conscious and unconscious mind.  Hallucinations are simply your mind filling in the gaps, and that comes from your unconscious, in a similar way dreams are made.  So, I would argue, you can take the same meaning from a psychedelic experience as you can from a dream, and people interpret dreams all the time.

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Re: Knowledge lost after mushroom trip [Re: Synapses-R-Us]
    #14371190 - 04/29/11 04:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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joemolloy said:
Isn't it implied that everything on these forums is an opinion?  So if I prefaced every statement with "In my opinion" all would be well with the shroomery?  Bullshit.  You are pissed because I question your psychedelic religion.







lol my 'psychedelic religion' and no, it completely depends on what you say brah, if you try to talk in absolutes treating subjective ideas as objective and such then I think a simple IMO wouldn't suffice




Bullshit.  It's my dopey opinion and it threatens yours.  Your opinion must be even dopier.


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Re: Knowledge lost after mushroom trip [Re: Synapses-R-Us]
    #14371210 - 04/29/11 05:06 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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So, I would argue, you can take the same meaning from a psychedelic experience as you can from a dream, and people interpret dreams all the time.




That's an interesting analogy and one that I've used from time to time.  I don't try to interpret my dreams and feel its an exercise in futility to try to turn the experience into symbols or meaning in order to get a deeper understanding of my psyche.  I don't think dreams have that type of structure or utility just like these drugs.

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Idk man.... I think you're either a drug-free activist in disguise, someone who took way too many drugs and fucked up their mental stability, or a poor societally conditioned person who saw "the truth" and was terrified of it (the truth being we don't know the truth and likely never will)




Do I sound crazy or do I sound like a clear headed motherfucker who just spent a few years getting headfucked with what he thought was FREEDOM, PEACE, and LOVE Maaaaan!


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Re: Knowledge lost after mushroom trip [Re: t23]
    #14371219 - 04/29/11 05:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Who knows?  Maybe I'm just close minded.  But maybe others are too open-minded.  Here we go again, it never ends, right?


 
I'd say both.. it's usually always both.. and no, I'm 88% sure its an infinite echo.

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There is no Truth or Meaning or Point.



Yeah I know what ya mean.. I'd lean towards that direction too but we can't really know the meaning of our lives past our lifespan (unless you're a firm believer in the afterlife) so we're left only to the meaning and reason of why we make the decisions that we do. But there's two huge differences there, whats the meaning of life/humanity as a whole, vs what's the point of your own life. Well you can't really speak for the whole, both of them I'd say would consist of chasing the pursuit of happiness along with much other things. You cant see why it is the way it is, you can only really see why you are the way you are, maybe it was meant to be that way during this thing call we simply call life.  Maybe there is just as much meaning and truth as there isn't. Maybe its not one side or the other, maybe its a clusterfuck of everything..

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Where'd I get this fucking nihilism?  It's pretty intense.  The fucked up part is that I have everything I've ever wanted.  Love, money, success landed on my fucking lap.  All of it.  What a life.  I guess be careful what you wish for.  It'll always be a struggle because happiness and peace are fleeting, flirty little bitches.



Because maybe it's somewhat true. Your obviously not delusional, but don't pry too hard for questions that are impossible to reach. Very well said and very true, the world is not enough outlook, because everything dulls and happiness fades.. It's a fkin' curse if ya ask me but I duno maybe it's meant to keep us from going stagnant? Some people are completely opposite though and very happy with very little, I guess its something you have to either train or numb your brain to accomplish.

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But I submit these drugs don't help me in that struggle even though I was convinced they were the answer.  Silly me.  Stupid me. 




Getting more confused after taking drugs would be just as silly as being more enlightened would it not? Life's fkin' confusing, just let that be your truth. Drugs aren't the answer, certainly not the meaning of life, unless your using them to have fun. Life's short just try to have fun and do right, whatever that is for you. Just know what your meaning to yourself is, why you do what you do, lighten up a little, maybe the universe is like a chinese finger trap.

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Today's a strange one, I feel damn trippy and I haven't tripped in two weeks.  Is that brain damage starting to manifest?  There's no free ride, is there?



That's funny I kinda felt the same way today too and I never feel that way, haven't tripped in a year, must be good weed?? #butitfeelslikesalvia!

Good talks man.




Thanks for the chat, brother.  I poured my heart out with that one and I'm glad we connected on some level.  Welcome to the shroomery. 5 Stars.


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Re: Knowledge lost after mushroom trip [Re: joemolloy]
    #14371337 - 04/29/11 06:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well.. I did spend the last 5 years of my life in the psychedelic dimension, I did take a lot of psychedelics, and if one truly has his head on his shoulders and really did care for going into detail into psychedelics... One easily can realise that it's not all flower power.

I mean seriously... I experienced blissful moments on psychedelics, nothing I could ever experience on another non-psychedelic drug or sober state of mind.. but truthfully, i cannot lie to myself..

What did Psychedelics show me when I went down the rabbit hole? It showed me I'm living in a big fat lie, it showed me how reality is fucked, and how much life is a dark comedy. How much the system is fucking us in our ass every second of our lives, and how blinded we are to think microbes like us have understood a single shit of what's really going on..

Yes, that's what I got when travelling in the psychedelic dimension.. When seeking for answer and all that shit..

I'd rather use psychedelics for a good ride, experience, and show rather than trying to find a clue of what the fuck is going on.. Cos really, you won't and even if you find what you think is the clue, it's not solid, you can't swear your head on it.

I've met 'God', seen ufos, had visions of the all seeing eye and all sorts of crazy visions that blew my crainium off, yet who tells me it's not all fruit of my imagination, which it is, except for this half-assed 'real' reality.

Don't get me wrong, I love psychedelics and they're my drug of choice. I have a kick ass ride on them. and that's all i'm seeking nowadays..

I did long term usage of really good Lysergic Acid. In the long run, it only made me depressed, because indeed it showed me what's around me.. illusions.. a big fat lie where everyone thinks that they know what's going on. hah! that kind of makes me the delusional idiot.

Heck, if anything could come close to psychedelics improvind your life.. is basically the sudden change of perspective and frequency through the experience.. change tends to be beneficial when stuck in a loop. But

I believe that's all there is to it, maybe a tad bit more which my human brain cannot comprehend.

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