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Monotub, when to go from pinning to close up
    #14369517 - 04/28/11 08:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

With a monotub, after you have initiated pinning, when do you close it up? Misting and fanning is a great pinning trigger. How do you decide enough pins have formed to be enough to set it and forget it?

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Re: Monotub, when to go from pinning to close up [Re: yessir]
    #14369526 - 04/28/11 08:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Whatever you do to get pins, keep doing that to get fruits.


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Re: Monotub, when to go from pinning to close up [Re: Doc_T]
    #14369599 - 04/28/11 09:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

you don't close it back up, once its birthed, leave it.
when to mist and when not to is something you have to develop
an eye for. but generally, mono's need little attention.

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Re: Monotub, when to go from pinning to close up [Re: Fungal growth]
    #14369641 - 04/28/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

mono's are generaly considered to be a set it and forget it system. though some people like to fan it oiut and mist ti help improve performance.

I always misted and fanned my mini mono's that i was doing


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Re: Monotub, when to go from pinning to close up [Re: Doc_T]
    #14369978 - 04/28/11 10:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Whatever you do to get pins, keep doing that to get fruits.




this. simple statement, but really, thats all you have to do. mushrooms really arent very complicated organisms.

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Re: Monotub, when to go from pinning to close up [Re: Ajaxx]
    #14370081 - 04/28/11 10:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

you gotta switch the light cycle to 12/12:wink:


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Re: Monotub, when to go from pinning to close up [Re: sporesmores420]
    #14370091 - 04/28/11 10:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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you gotta switch the light cycle to 12/12;)




thats kind of a given when pinning has been initiated.

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Re: Monotub, when to go from pinning to close up [Re: Ajaxx]
    #14370187 - 04/28/11 10:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

No one has really answered my question. I mist and fan to induce pinning. As I understand, you close a monotub up once pinning is full. But how many pins, or thick a covering do you need before you decide to do this?

Maybe it's my method of triggering the pinning that's making it difficult to know. What do you guys usually do, just plop it in after consolidation?

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Re: Monotub, when to go from pinning to close up [Re: yessir]
    #14370204 - 04/28/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

what do you mean "close" the monotub?

when theyre pinning, just let them go. 12/12 light, mist and fan occasionally. :shrug:

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Re: Monotub, when to go from pinning to close up [Re: yessir]
    #14370213 - 04/28/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What do you mean By close it up. Pics help a great deal if you want a serious answer. Did you take the polyfill out and want to kno if you should put it back in. Then yes./

Or are you talking bout sealing it completely cause that would be bad.


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Re: Monotub, when to go from pinning to close up [Re: sporesmores420]
    #14370236 - 04/28/11 11:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Or are you talking bout sealing it completely cause that would be bad.




As in shut the lid and pretty much leave it until harvest. No?

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Re: Monotub, when to go from pinning to close up [Re: yessir]
    #14371115 - 04/29/11 03:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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No one has really answered my question.




I did.


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Re: Monotub, when to go from pinning to close up [Re: Doc_T]
    #14371218 - 04/29/11 05:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

In other words:
Keep on misting and fanning until they are mature.
They do need a lot of fresh air.

Edited by Luger0815 (04/29/11 05:23 AM)

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Re: Monotub, when to go from pinning to close up [Re: yessir]
    #14371943 - 04/29/11 10:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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yessir said:
Quote:

sporesmores420 said:
Or are you talking bout sealing it completely cause that would be bad.




As in shut the lid and pretty much leave it until harvest. No?



o i c. set n forget does'nt necessarily mean to completely
forget about it, though you'll (more than likely) still get
results. for optimal results you'll have to take a look
at it now and then, to determine if it's gotten too dry
or if it's too wet. you can adjust the polyfill if your
using it, make it looser or tighter as needed.
pick it up to feel how heavy it is, you can use that as a 'guage'
in the future to help determine if it's dried out, because
it will be lighter or heavier depending on water content.
if you don't want to mess with it at all, i would stuff
the holes loosely with polyfill, give it a good mist and let it be.
might not get you the best possible harvest but i bet it's
pretty good.

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Re: Monotub, when to go from pinning to close up [Re: yessir]
    #14371965 - 04/29/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yes most people are quite unprecise about their fruiting parameters.

I think you might have read about raising the humidity back up from Prof P. He recently wrote that he takes the stuffing out from one hole to initiate pinning, but then places it back in once the fruits have really taken off and lets them go.

You won't get a precise answer on this because it is a debatable subject. But I think you're on the right track. Maybe you should become an expert on the subject and get back to us :smile: And ask Prof P in the IRF cultivation advice thread about this. I'm sure he'd elaborate. Faceyneck also has some good specific thoughts on fruiting.


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Re: Monotub, when to go from pinning to close up [Re: anonjon]
    #14372014 - 04/29/11 10:44 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm wondering tho if perhaps the correct info is Stamets who would have us maintain the high humidity during pinning, but with an increased fae. That would be for example leaving the polyfill in the holes during this period and increasing the air circulation around it.

Or perhaps Prof P is right to cause an initial sudden drop in humidity as a trigger, but then bringing it back up to proper levels by putting the fill back in.

When I started playing around with the DocT style tubs and dubtubs I thought the hole size was too big, that they kept the humidity too low, which was giving bad pinning. So I reduced the hole size and got a lovely pinset:
, which then gave me nothing but aborts and tiny fruits:

So I went back to the quarter inch holes and increased misting and got a proper flush:


Now I'm not at all sure about the causation. I'm just throwing out some of the thoughts that float around my mind when I debate this subject with myself.

I think the optimal fruiting paramters for cubes in a tub is really yet to be precisely written.


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Re: Monotub, when to go from pinning to close up [Re: anonjon]
    #14372181 - 04/29/11 11:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i do the sudden drop in humidity by flooding the tub with fae
as well. works well for me. i imagine the myc breaking through the
surface of the ground in the wild, and suddenly being flooded
with light and fresh air.
lately i havent been replacing the poly but leaving the holes
open, but i have to mist more. i'm going to go back to replacing
the poly as Prof P does.
on hole size, i wonder if theres an optimum amount of open area
for our tubs? like, normal mono's use 10-12 large holes
(mine are 1 1/2"), if you broke those into smaller holes like
in a sg mono, how many 1/4" holes would it take to = 10-12 1 1/2" holes? and would airflow be equall?

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Re: Monotub, when to go from pinning to close up [Re: Fungal growth]
    #14372243 - 04/29/11 11:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hole size and setup is almost completely irrelevent.

No matter how big or small or numerous the holes, the air exchange per hour can be adjusted by changing the airflow around the tub.

This is why I closed off the holes on the tops of my 6 qt dubtubs. Rather than risk letting them dry out, I can just increase fae as necessary by adjusting the air circulation. This makes automation easier too. I can leave town for 3-4 days at a time by setting timers on the fans and increasing the room humidity to 50%.

We like to leave out air circulation as an independent variable for some reason. It's not emphasized in the teks. We pretend that we can predict air exchange according to the surface area of the tub relative the holes. Look at Morelman's tub tek for example. He rearranges the holes on a DocT tub and claims he's really invented something, names it after himself and tries to promote the acronym for his self-named tub (the MMT, Morelman Mini-Tub). It's ludicrous.


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Re: Monotub, when to go from pinning to close up [Re: anonjon]
    #14372428 - 04/29/11 12:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Did Doc_T come up with the monotub? I thought it was ohmatic.

I understand your answer Doc_T, but the route of negligence is more appealing. All that misting and fanning is not even worth it to me.

I personally think humidity has very little to do with anything. The only time I think humidity can be adjusted is after pinning. After pinning, I think it can be dropped to around 90%. Interesting. I think people should start pulling out their rulers for an approximate pin height, that way there is something to gauge the stage of growth by.

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Re: Monotub, when to go from pinning to close up [Re: yessir]
    #14373831 - 04/29/11 05:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

DocT's innovation was using unfiltered holes along the lines of the shotgun fruiting chamber for monotubs.


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