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AneXA
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Ok.So i didn't know to change from freebase to salt. In some other forum i read about dmt was a guy that said he shoot around 30 mg first and after an hour he shoot again around 80 mg sooo . I have ordered 500 g of bark.First i think i will try to extract from 100g to see how the things are and then the whole quantity. Can you guys tell me more info about freebase -> salt process ? If i just convert it to freebase and purify it a few times it won't work to shoot it up ?
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JohnnyConverse
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Re: DMT Extraction / 2 questions [Re: AneXA]
#14371753 - 04/29/11 09:00 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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AneXA said: Ok.So i didn't know to change from freebase to salt. In some other forum i read about dmt was a guy that said he shoot around 30 mg first and after an hour he shoot again around 80 mg sooo . I have ordered 500 g of bark.First i think i will try to extract from 100g to see how the things are and then the whole quantity. Can you guys tell me more info about freebase -> salt process ? If i just convert it to freebase and purify it a few times it won't work to shoot it up ?
Seriously
dude
You should just smoke the freebase
or look into the combining it with syrian rue or something for longer activity
trust me it's gonna take you a while to get bored enough smoking it to even want to shoot it
by a while I mean like 6000 years
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Snozz
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Re: DMT Extraction / 2 questions [Re: AneXA]
#14372192 - 04/29/11 11:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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AneXA said: Ok.So i didn't know to change from freebase to salt. In some other forum i read about dmt was a guy that said he shoot around 30 mg first and after an hour he shoot again around 80 mg sooo . I have ordered 500 g of bark.First i think i will try to extract from 100g to see how the things are and then the whole quantity. Can you guys tell me more info about freebase -> salt process ? If i just convert it to freebase and purify it a few times it won't work to shoot it up ?
Here's the thing...it sounds like you know remarkably little about IV'ing drugs. I pm'd a physician over at the DMT Nexus to give a general list of the negative effects of injecting freebase and will post it when he replies. No matter how much you re-x, you do NOT want to inject freebase.
I don't care if some guy on the internet claims to have IV'd 80mg or 80grams, I'm trying to tell you that 60mg or 80mg is positively ridiculous and that for your first DMT experience 30mg of IV'd DMT salts will be insanely intense. Like, intense on the level of the reports submitted by those members of Strassman's study who partook in the dose/response study. This is most likely not where you want to start...hell, even when you've tested the waters numerous times, this is a dose that should make you think twice before loading up a syringe.
There are instructions for converting freebase to salts, but I would highly suggest you read up on the whole process and really give it some serious thought. Again, I urge you to use a sitter who is knowledgeable about IV drugs, as it would be really shitty to have your IV rig ripped out of your arm by you falling over immediately after depressing the plunger.
Seriously, IVing DMT is one of those things where if you have to ask these questions, you really don't know enough to be considering this. Well, actually, I guess that would be true of IVing any drug, but you see my point.
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Re: DMT Extraction / 2 questions [Re: Snozz]
#14372211 - 04/29/11 11:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Snozz said:
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AneXA said: Ok.So i didn't know to change from freebase to salt. In some other forum i read about dmt was a guy that said he shoot around 30 mg first and after an hour he shoot again around 80 mg sooo . I have ordered 500 g of bark.First i think i will try to extract from 100g to see how the things are and then the whole quantity. Can you guys tell me more info about freebase -> salt process ? If i just convert it to freebase and purify it a few times it won't work to shoot it up ?
Here's the thing...it sounds like you know remarkably little about IV'ing drugs. I pm'd a physician over at the DMT Nexus to give a general list of the negative effects of injecting freebase and will post it when he replies. No matter how much you re-x, you do NOT want to inject freebase.
I don't care if some guy on the internet claims to have IV'd 80mg or 80grams, I'm trying to tell you that 60mg or 80mg is positively ridiculous and that for your first DMT experience 30mg of IV'd DMT salts will be insanely intense. Like, intense on the level of the reports submitted by those members of Strassman's study who partook in the dose/response study. This is most likely not where you want to start...hell, even when you've tested the waters numerous times, this is a dose that should make you think twice before loading up a syringe.
There are instructions for converting freebase to salts, but I would highly suggest you read up on the whole process and really give it some serious thought. Again, I urge you to use a sitter who is knowledgeable about IV drugs, as it would be really shitty to have your IV rig ripped out of your arm by you falling over immediately after depressing the plunger.
Seriously, IVing DMT is one of those things where if you have to ask these questions, you really don't know enough to be considering this. Well, actually, I guess that would be true of IVing any drug, but you see my point.
Listen to this guy.
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JohnnyConverse
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Re: DMT Extraction / 2 questions [Re: Snozz]
#14372215 - 04/29/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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^^
seriously
just smoke it, dude.
Don't be a hero
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Snozz
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This is the reply I received from a physician on the Nexus when I forwarded him the content of this thread:
corpus callosum said:
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Hi Snozz!
Injecting freebase DMT?First of all, freebase DMT is insoluble in water so it needs converting to a soluble salt whilst being mindful that the pH doesnt become too low, as missing the mainline could cause significant tissue necrosis.Options for salting include sterile citric acid/fumaric acid/ascorbic acid/probably tartaric acid..You need sterile distilled acetic acid and this is probably the best option as acetic acid has antiseptic and mild antibacterial activity not found with citric or fumaric acids.This is not the stuff we use for BLAB.
Then theres the issues of contamination/impurities which are inevitable with home extracting.These contaminants could cause anaphylactic shock as the most extreme manifestation but short of this, they could cause thermobophlebitis at the vein utilised.These contaminants could also increase the risk of localised blood clots which can shoot into the lungs causing a pulmonary embolism (and sometimes death) or a stroke if they make it through the pulmonary circulation then through the left side of the heart and then via the carotid arteries in to the brain.If these contaminants are not sterile then you can get lung or brain abcesses, renal failiure, septicemia and infective endocarditis.Endocarditis can, if your lucky, be dealt with by IV antibiotics for 4-6 weeks, but if the valve damage is really bad then you may need a valve replacement op and lifelong medication (maybe just warfarin but if the heart is significantly damaged then also meds like diuretics, ACE inhibitors and nitrates to keep the failing heart working)
Then theres the risk, albeit fairly small, of weird and wonderful complications like idiosyncratic reactions resulting in toxic problems like hepatitis, toxic polyradiculopathy (a bit like Guillain Barre syndrome), strange sites where blood clots can lodge like the anterior spinal artery (=lifetime in a wheelchair), possible blindness if lemon juice is used as the acid for salting blah blah blah.
Much of these risks can be minimised by strict attention to sterilty, good injection technique and using micron filters and proper sterile water for injection.Recrytallising your DMT repeatedly can also reduce the risk but you can never exclude an idiosyncratic reaction or some residual contamination which probably wont fuck up most people but the risk that Mr X is an unlucky sod and comes unstuck with it cannot be ruled out 100%.
But trying to inject DMT as a freebase- good luck to him but it aint gonna happen!Hope this helps.
Regards, CC.
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AneXA
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Re: DMT Extraction / 2 questions [Re: Snozz]
#14373044 - 04/29/11 02:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok , that make me have second thoughts.Didn't know what all this is about .After my friend tried i thought that it was a good idea ( just to know , he didn't use a homemade extraction ). I have some experience with ivs so don't think that this was the first time i wanted to shoot. Anyway for a moment forget about all about this and i have a little question.Today i started to buy what i need but i can't find naphtha .Can anyone tell me what can i use besides VM & P naphtha ?( this brand is not in my country )
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Snozz
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Re: DMT Extraction / 2 questions [Re: AneXA]
#14373299 - 04/29/11 03:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Heptane will work, it's more expensive than naphtha, but also a more selective solvent. Art supply stores sell it as rubber cement remover under the name "Bestine". Some lighter fluids will work, but I don't remember which off the top of my head, and some of them have nasty crap, such as rust remover in them, so make sure to do an evaporation test to guarantee the purity of your solvent.
You can also use xylene, which pulls additional compounds (but is still mostly DMT, the most current analysis shows it to be upwards of 97% dmt with the additional % being comprised of MTHBC and plant fats/oils, iirc). Toluene can be used with similar results.
Limonene or vegetable oil can also be used (there's less info on veggie oil at present), but doing so requires that you salt the DMT out of the solvent and convert it to freebase if you intend on smoking it (which is also an option for xylene and helps avoid having to smell its foul stench).
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JohnnyConverse
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Re: DMT Extraction / 2 questions [Re: Snozz]
#14373706 - 04/29/11 05:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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VM&P isn't a brand. It stands for "Varnish Maker and Painter's" - it's a grade
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AneXA
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ok , my bad , but i don't changes anything. "Some lighter fluids will work" does zippo fuel will do the job ? ( because i have plenty at home )
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Nature Boy
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Re: DMT Extraction / 2 questions [Re: AneXA]
#14376214 - 04/30/11 06:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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You go through with this idiotic plan and you deserve what you get....the Darwin Award.
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Re: DMT Extraction / 2 questions [Re: AneXA]
#14376458 - 04/30/11 08:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Coleman, Zippo, and Ronsonol have all been mentioned/used in various extractions (some oldschool and really not reliable in their safety/methodology). If you are going to try and use your Zippo fluid, you need to make sure that it has no non-volatile elements in it. To do this, evaporate a small amount of the solvent.
If it evaporates clean and leaves no residue, you are good to go and can use it for extraction. If it leaves ANY residue whatsoever, do not use it as you will wind up smoking whatever shit is in there in addition to the DMT you extract with it.
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AneXA
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Re: DMT Extraction / 2 questions [Re: Nature Boy]
#14378112 - 04/30/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nature Boy said:
You go through with this idiotic plan and you deserve what you get....the Darwin Award.
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Just asked. Does it makes you feel better being ironic or what ? I don't understand you posted that. Anyway i have found something better , now i am just waiting for the bark to come.
Edited by AneXA (04/30/11 02:52 PM)
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JohnnyConverse
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Re: DMT Extraction / 2 questions [Re: AneXA]
#14381527 - 05/01/11 07:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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He's not being ironic in any way. Dmitri is a very strange thing. Very good trippers are stunned by it.Its also ridiculously cheap to extract. There's no need to risk shooting it right off the bat
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