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Osho- Who the hell is this guy?
#14367385 - 04/28/11 02:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm jsut looking for some philosophy vids on youtube and i see all the topics Osho covers seems to be a lot of shit thats relevant to free thinking individuals .
i first heard of him from the pub
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Re: Osho- Who the hell is this guy? [Re: skatealex2]
#14367446 - 04/28/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i love this guy, after seeing this video.
he's so peaceful and seems so intelligent about shit. i'd have to watch more of his videos to give a better opinion of him though.
but i like his idea on drugs. very sensible
though i would love to see him take some acid or mdma and tell me that it ruined his peace.
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Osho was an old rich codger who never blinked and pulled lots of tricks on gullible yuppies.
He was a mockery of the guru concept (probably intentionally), and although he had lots of good insights and ideas, they are mostly re-arrangements of various sutras that preceded him.
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Re: Osho- Who the hell is this guy? [Re: skatealex2]
#14367571 - 04/28/11 03:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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very cool ive never seen this.
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Re: Osho- Who the hell is this guy? [Re: Mello Kitty]
#14371103 - 04/29/11 03:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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SamuelLJackson said: i love this guy, after seeing this video.
he's so peaceful and seems so intelligent about shit. i'd have to watch more of his videos to give a better opinion of him though.
but i like his idea on drugs. very sensible
though i would love to see him take some acid or mdma and tell me that it ruined his peace. 
I'm pretty sure he dropped LSD at least once as I've heard him say that it's worth trying.
Anyways, Osho is pretty awesome. I've read at least ten of his books by now and he is/was seething with intelligence. I highly recommend you look into some of his books which can all be found on Amazon.
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Re: Osho- Who the hell is this guy? [Re: The Whale]
#14371253 - 04/29/11 05:26 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The Whale said: Osho was an old rich codger who never blinked and pulled lots of tricks on gullible yuppies.
He was a mockery of the guru concept (probably intentionally), and although he had lots of good insights and ideas, they are mostly re-arrangements of various sutras that preceded him.
He was definitely a bit of a rascal but I enjoy that about him. I think his books are very valuable because he had a real talent in weaving words, even if many of the ideas are from previous works.
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Re: Osho- Who the hell is this guy? [Re: skatealex2] 1
#14371434 - 04/29/11 07:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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A huge fraud.
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Re: Osho- Who the hell is this guy? [Re: LSDenthusiast]
#14371485 - 04/29/11 07:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kickass beard
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Re: Osho- Who the hell is this guy? [Re: Patlal]
#14371496 - 04/29/11 07:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Didnt he end up in prison?
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Re: Osho- Who the hell is this guy? [Re: Patlal]
#14371730 - 04/29/11 08:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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LSDenthusiast said: A huge fraud.
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Patlal said: Kickass beard
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Re: Osho- Who the hell is this guy? [Re: wellage]
#14371748 - 04/29/11 08:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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He was a huge fraud.
His follows would buy him all kinds of luxuries. Why would a guru take $$$ from his follower if he is enlightened?
Also how many gurus take mass amounts of nitrous oxide and valium?
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During his residence in Rajneeshpuram Osho dictated three books under the influence of nitrous oxide administered to him by his private dentist: Glimpses of a Golden Childhood, Notes of a Madman and Books I Have Loved.[121] Sheela later stated that Osho took sixty milligrams of Valium each day and was addicted to nitrous oxide.[122][123][124] Osho denied these charges when questioned about them by journalists.[
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On 23 October 1985 a federal grand jury issued a thirty-five-count indictment charging Osho and several other disciples with conspiracy to evade immigration laws.[128] The indictment was returned in camera, but word was leaked to Osho's lawyer.[128] Negotiations to allow Osho to surrender to authorities in Portland if a warrant were issued failed.[128][129] Rumours of a National Guard takeover and a planned violent arrest of Osho led to tension and fears of shooting.[130] On the strength of Sheela's tape recordings authorities later stated the belief that there had been a plan that sannyasin women and children would have been asked to create a human shield had authorities attempted to arrest Osho at the commune.[120] On 28 October 1985 Osho and a small number of sannyasins accompanying him were arrested aboard a rented Learjet at a North Carolina airstrip; according to federal authorities the group was en route to Bermuda to avoid prosecution.[131] $58,000 in cash, 35 watches and bracelets worth $1 million were found on the aircraft.[130][132][133] Osho had by all accounts been informed neither of the impending arrest nor the reason for the journey.[129]
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Osho's imprisonment and transfer across the country took the form of a public spectacle – he was displayed in chains, held first in North Carolina then Oklahoma and finally in Portland.[134] Officials took the full ten days legally available to them to transfer him from North Carolina to Portland for arraignment.[134] After initially pleading "not guilty" to all charges and being released on bail Osho, on the advice of his lawyers, entered an "Alford plea" – a type of guilty plea through which a suspect does not admit guilt, but does concede there is enough evidence to convict him – to one count of having a concealed intent to remain permanently in the U.S. at the time of his original visa application in 1981 and one count of having conspired to have sannyasins enter into sham marriages to acquire U.S. residency.[135] Under the deal his lawyers made with the U.S. Attorney's office he was given a 10-year suspended sentence, five years' probation and a $400,000 penalty in fines and prosecution costs and agreed to leave the United States, not returning for at least five years without the permission of the United States Attorney General.
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Re: Osho- Who the hell is this guy? [Re: TrustYourSelf]
#14371876 - 04/29/11 09:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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LOL
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Re: Osho- Who the hell is this guy? [Re: PreparationH]
#14371901 - 04/29/11 10:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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haha my girl digs him, i read ~20% of one of his books and called it bullshit
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Re: Osho- Who the hell is this guy? [Re: ohmatic]
#14372358 - 04/29/11 12:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Osho was a teacher to Nick Sand, LSD Chemist behind the Orange Sunshine LSD famous from the late 1960s early 1970s.
However I know in about 1970 (before Nick came to him in Imdia while he was a fugitive), he wrote a short booklet called LSD: A Shortcut to False Samadhi (which I didn't like or agree with - though I have read some of his other works as well)
Then there is this article too;
http://www.sannyasnews.com/Articles/Psychedelics.html
What was really going on with Osho and psychedelics? Was he addicted to nitrous oxide – and, if so, is its daily use compatible with enlightenment? Or was the nitrous oxide a quasi-Gurdjieffian device? Was he deliberately sabotaging any future public relations image of himself? Or, on the contrary, was he suggesting psychedelics could prove a valuable tool for large-scale awakening? Or was this aspect of his leela a mixture of all of these? One of the most striking features of the whole controversy is that we only know Osho took nitrous oxide because he publicised the fact himself. The first expose of Osho's apparent addiction was by the disaffected disciple Hugh Milne in his book Bhagwan: the God that Failed. There Milne tells how he was invited to photograph one of Osho's 'dental sessions' at the Ranch. Mystified he turned up to find Osho sitting in a dentist's chair with two tubes, one of oxygen and one of nitrogen, stuck up his nose, sort of lecturing (v. Milne, Bhagwan: the God that Failed, pp. 230-232). Horrified he took his pics and fled from the trailer. In his book he makes out that this was some guilty secret he, Milne, had uncovered– brushing over the fact the only reason he knew about it was because Osho had gone out of his way to tell him.
Apparently Milne's photos were for use in a book Osho was just about to bring out, Notes of a Madman (1985). This consists exclusively of transcripts of a series of nitrous oxide sessions, and during the first of these Osho gives an unequivocal thumbs-up to psychedelic drugs: "Using chemistry I want to see if it is possible to see the heights seen by Buddha, Jesus, Lao Tzu... I think that it is." (Notes of a Madman, page 5). Also he gives his account of why psychedelics are repressed: "Politicians [...] are so against drugs because people can come to know themselves, and when people come to know themselves politicians lose their power over them, and they love their power" (Ibid. p. 15). Had Notes of a Madman come out with the pictures of Osho with the tubes stuck up his nose it would have been one of the most deliberately shocking 'spiritual' books ever published.
Why was he doing this? Was it something– like Gurdjieff's boozing, perhaps – designed to sabotage unconscious 'worship'? A sort of counterpart to the Rolls Royces (if you could handle the Rollers you couldn't take the drugs; if you were okay with the drugs you'd be floored by the sea of naff cars)? Surely there was an element of this in it... but the psychedelic drug taking didn't stop with the Ranch.
Nitrous oxide sessions continued throughout his last years in Poona. Indeed if accounts are to be believed (there's a back issue of Viha Connection giving a clutch of accounts from the, er, dental team) in gargantuan quantities... though again these accounts have an unnerving quality of somehow having been okayed by Osho himself. Indeed, right at the end of his life, during one of the Zen lectures he went into a lengthy aside on the desirability of producing a more highly evolved psychedelic which he called LSD 2: "I am against all prohibition. My own understanding is that if LSD can give some glimpse of samadhi, then all its bad after-effects should be removed, because it is a chemical and it is in our hands. Those bad after effects are the problem. They should be removed and an LSD number two should be made – clean, taken in complete awareness that it is going to give you only a glimpse... Rather than prohibiting the drugs, what is needed is to produce drugs which lead people to samadhi, which give an indication: if a chemical drug can be such a blessing, what will the real thing be? It is just a dewdrop in comparison with the real oceanic feeling, the oceanic ecstasy." (v. The Language of Existence, pp. 27-33, Aug/Sept 1988.)
Put like this we have something very different from a furtive and seedy 'addiction.' In fact underpinning Indian religion in general is a far more positive attitude towards psychedelics than anything Western culture would lead us to expect. Not only towards soma, the legendary psychoactive drink to which so many hymns in the Vedas are dedicated, and not only in the Tantras, but even more strikingly in the person of one of the central figures of the Hindu pantheon... Shiva. The puranas, the popular lives of the Indian gods, all stress Shiva's partiality to hashish, and one of the central features of his worship remains ingestion of high doses of charas in the ritual chillum. Line Osho up in this context and things suddenly look very different. More especially since, of all the figures in world religion, it is Shiva whom Osho most closely ressembles. Same fascination with meditation... same taste for solitude, for semi-outcaste status and for freezing cold... same orange-clad, delinquent followers. Same stress on the key role played by negation. Same rows with the missus...
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Re: Osho- Who the hell is this guy? [Re: skatealex2]
#14372457 - 04/29/11 12:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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There's a book out that discusses Osho, along with two other offbeat thinkers of our time.
amazon link
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The Most Dangerous man since Jesus Christ, the Sex Guru, the Ambassador from Hell, the Black Devil of Ashkhabad, The King of Depravity, and the Wickedest Man in the World. These were some of the labels given to three of the most notorious figures of 20th century spirituality: Osho (formerly known as Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh), G.I. Gurdjieff, and Aleister Crowley. Beneath the controversies and scandals that swirled around all three the author argues that these men, egocentric tendencies notwithstanding, were brilliant thinkers and extraordinary masters of their craft, that of the science of inner transformation, and in particular the art of balancing the so called Left and Right Hand spiritual paths. These men were not humble sages. They were bona fide crazy wisdom masters and consistently went where angels fear to tread. They did not teach with the faint praise of new age fluff or the stuffy platitudes of religious sermons, but rather with a flaming sword, and were a genuine menace to all seekers who fear to face the abyss of their own egos.
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Re: Osho- Who the hell is this guy? [Re: skatealex2]
#14372645 - 04/29/11 01:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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He was a brilliant con man the spent his days living on his own plantation, fucking gullible hippie chicks, and doing unfathomable quantities of nitrous. He managed to keep his hands clean while the organization he controlled, poisoned and drugged people, tapped the phones of politicians, and used the homeless to rig elections. Basically he was a real life super villain.
There are some great books out there about him that were written by people that were close to him.
http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/Bhagwan_osho.htm
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Re: Osho- Who the hell is this guy? [Re: blewmeanie]
#14372721 - 04/29/11 01:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I pretty much despise anyone who pretends to know the 'absolute secrets of the universe'
That Osho guy claimed to be the 'most educated man in the world' than stopped reading cause he had nothing to learn? fuck off condescending beardy con man
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Re: Osho- Who the hell is this guy? [Re: blewmeanie]
#14372736 - 04/29/11 01:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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blewmeanie said: He was a brilliant con man the spent his days living on his own plantation, fucking gullible hippie chicks, and doing unfathomable quantities of nitrous. He managed to keep his hands clean while the organization he controlled, poisoned and drugged people, tapped the phones of politicians, and used the homeless to rig elections. Basically he was a real life super villain.
There are some great books out there about him that were written by people that were close to him.
http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/Bhagwan_osho.htm
Thanks for the link! I'm excited to read that!
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Re: Osho- Who the hell is this guy? [Re: dwpineal]
#14449531 - 05/14/11 03:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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