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MOPE
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Re: Mushroom growing + hotboxed room? [Re: fngbronco]
#14365487 - 04/28/11 07:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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fngbronco said: Smoke is unburnt particles. Solids burn via pyrolisys and liquids through vaporization. Unburned particles settle (yellowing of walls as an example) and increase contamination rates in grow. Don't smoke indoors and life will improve for you and your grows.
How can something containing no mold spores or bacteria (or at least no more than normal air) increase contamination rates?
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fngbronco
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Re: Mushroom growing + hotboxed room? [Re: fngbronco]
#14366029 - 04/28/11 09:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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fngbronco said: Tar isn't as much a concern as the smoke weakening the fungal organism you're growing. You've got to remember you've got the organism exposed and when the smoke settles on it and the CO2 levels are increased, it weakens it.
-------------------- I challenge you to challenge yourself more! When you feel complacent and ready to hang it up, challenge yourself to get over it! If you fail, don't look at it as you didn't succeed, look at it as you would a rock face you're trying to climb. Stand back, wayyyy back, and look at it and plot another path. If you can't find one, shuffle down the way a little, a little change of scenery or a view from a different angle may give you the insight you need. Anything I state is relayed information from a friend of a friend and should be viewed as completely fictitious. I do not partake in any illegal or grey-area-of-the-law activities, but do have lots of friends who may or may not. -fngbronco Pill Divider Agar Tek
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BlindBat
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Re: Mushroom growing + hotboxed room? [Re: fngbronco]
#14366543 - 04/28/11 11:52 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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fngbronco
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Re: Mushroom growing + hotboxed room? [Re: BlindBat]
#14366757 - 04/28/11 12:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Those are both types of fire. You're right on the smoldering but it's still off-putting gases. It is a chemical change. Heat converts things to carbon, which means all the other elements they're composed of become by products.
On topic tho, smoke is heavy and settles everywhere.
-------------------- I challenge you to challenge yourself more! When you feel complacent and ready to hang it up, challenge yourself to get over it! If you fail, don't look at it as you didn't succeed, look at it as you would a rock face you're trying to climb. Stand back, wayyyy back, and look at it and plot another path. If you can't find one, shuffle down the way a little, a little change of scenery or a view from a different angle may give you the insight you need. Anything I state is relayed information from a friend of a friend and should be viewed as completely fictitious. I do not partake in any illegal or grey-area-of-the-law activities, but do have lots of friends who may or may not. -fngbronco Pill Divider Agar Tek
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Re: Mushroom growing + hotboxed room? [Re: fngbronco]
#14366776 - 04/28/11 12:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks guys a lot of useful info. Although I find it funny how if you put all the answers together it turns into a dissertation lol.
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BlindBat
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Re: Mushroom growing + hotboxed room? [Re: fngbronco]
#14366782 - 04/28/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Mushroom growing + hotboxed room? [Re: JudgeDJ]
#14366848 - 04/28/11 01:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Off-topic, but I figure it might be worth throwing into the discussion.
Most solids have to vaporize to form gasses before they can be burnt because they rely on atmospheric oxygen to mix with it to form a ratio of oxygen to fuel gas that will allow it to achieve combustion.
As far as I understand, solids with onboard or mixed-in oxidizers (perchlorates, thermite, etc) do not have to do this. Heat (or shock) alone allows the chemical change to occur without any gas transition first - the mixture will burn and THEN the gas is generated.
In high explosives, the same will occur, except that the trigger is not (usually) heat but the propagation of a supersonic shockwave through the energetic material.
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BlindBat
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Re: Mushroom growing + hotboxed room? [Re: BlindBat]
#14366889 - 04/28/11 01:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Edited by BlindBat (04/29/12 02:17 PM)
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fngbronco
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Re: Mushroom growing + hotboxed room? [Re: BlindBat]
#14367736 - 04/28/11 03:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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This has become an argument of semantics. Pyrolysis must occur for fire to be obtained as with vaporization. No solids or liquids burn, the gases burn. I think we've all agreed on that, we are just wording it differently. Regardless of how it's worded, the op is talking about smoking a carbon based substance which would result in unburned particulates (ash and smoke) which will increase the risk of contaminants. Some people don't have any problems with smoking in the rooms as their grows but some people will never get cancer from smoking or pour petri dishes in the open with no contaminants.
I would recommend against smoking indoors (and smoking in general) for your health and the longevity of your home. Not to mention all those ashes change the ph and cause decay on the walls. Either way tho it's on you OP, and best of luck on your grow 
Ps sorry for all the off topic stuffs
-------------------- I challenge you to challenge yourself more! When you feel complacent and ready to hang it up, challenge yourself to get over it! If you fail, don't look at it as you didn't succeed, look at it as you would a rock face you're trying to climb. Stand back, wayyyy back, and look at it and plot another path. If you can't find one, shuffle down the way a little, a little change of scenery or a view from a different angle may give you the insight you need. Anything I state is relayed information from a friend of a friend and should be viewed as completely fictitious. I do not partake in any illegal or grey-area-of-the-law activities, but do have lots of friends who may or may not. -fngbronco Pill Divider Agar Tek
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Re: Mushroom growing + hotboxed room? [Re: fngbronco]
#14367974 - 04/28/11 04:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Edited by BlindBat (04/29/12 02:18 PM)
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Re: Mushroom growing + hotboxed room? [Re: BlindBat]
#14368027 - 04/28/11 04:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Edited by BlindBat (04/29/12 02:18 PM)
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fngbronco
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Re: Mushroom growing + hotboxed room? [Re: BlindBat]
#14368088 - 04/28/11 04:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cool you're right I'm wrong 100% I'm a dipshit who knows nothing and I'm also an asshole for trying to keep this on topic (and bring it back). This isn't a post about the chemistry, and we took it there. I apologized to the OP for deviating the thread and trying to word my last post to where you understood that I understand what you're saying, and also stating you need pyrolysis to produce fire. There is a tetrahedron for fire, O2, fuel, heat, and chemical change. Without all 4 there's no fire. I word things in a way I understand them, and I in no way was trying to argue nor was I trying to denounce what your said.
The topic of this post is about smoking in his/her grow room. I answered the ? to the best of my knowledge.
-------------------- I challenge you to challenge yourself more! When you feel complacent and ready to hang it up, challenge yourself to get over it! If you fail, don't look at it as you didn't succeed, look at it as you would a rock face you're trying to climb. Stand back, wayyyy back, and look at it and plot another path. If you can't find one, shuffle down the way a little, a little change of scenery or a view from a different angle may give you the insight you need. Anything I state is relayed information from a friend of a friend and should be viewed as completely fictitious. I do not partake in any illegal or grey-area-of-the-law activities, but do have lots of friends who may or may not. -fngbronco Pill Divider Agar Tek
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Re: Mushroom growing + hotboxed room? [Re: fngbronco]
#14368130 - 04/28/11 04:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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MOPE
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Re: Mushroom growing + hotboxed room? [Re: fngbronco]
#14373110 - 04/29/11 03:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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fngbronco said:
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fngbronco said: Tar isn't as much a concern as the smoke weakening the fungal organism you're growing. You've got to remember you've got the organism exposed and when the smoke settles on it and the CO2 levels are increased, it weakens it.
There wouldnt be enough smoke settling onto your myc, since theres a lid and all...also lets not forget the only air holes in the tub are stuffed with polyfil...
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Re: Mushroom growing + hotboxed room? [Re: MOPE]
#14374753 - 04/29/11 09:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Unless he uses a sgfc
-------------------- I challenge you to challenge yourself more! When you feel complacent and ready to hang it up, challenge yourself to get over it! If you fail, don't look at it as you didn't succeed, look at it as you would a rock face you're trying to climb. Stand back, wayyyy back, and look at it and plot another path. If you can't find one, shuffle down the way a little, a little change of scenery or a view from a different angle may give you the insight you need. Anything I state is relayed information from a friend of a friend and should be viewed as completely fictitious. I do not partake in any illegal or grey-area-of-the-law activities, but do have lots of friends who may or may not. -fngbronco Pill Divider Agar Tek
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Re: Mushroom growing + hotboxed room? [Re: fngbronco]
#14375444 - 04/29/11 11:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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fngbronco said: Unless he uses a sgfc
i smoked lots when i was growin in my apartment
didnt hurt my mush at all.
i dont polyfil any holes in any FC
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