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Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway?
    #14366335 - 04/28/11 11:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You could do a slant build a flowhood and isolate and clone and make prints and mother jars, use a sub with poo and subs with additives do GTG transfers and GLCs and ELME LCs and grow all the other psilocybe species all by your 2nd grow. The only things you would need to do it all, and do it all successfully are, enough time, enough money, and a pocket full of knowhow/common sense 90/10, with will to raise your PH(ProfessionalHandling) some stamina/want 50/50.NOPE! All you really need is enough money and time, and a 1st time grower can do bulk easily and be cloning and isolating in front of the flowhood in notime!

This is what I fee like people said when they discouraged me from bulk and talked me into cakes.
Really all you need is money, internet, and the ability to read and follow directions. But you can just do it the hard crappy way since you are obviously too stupid and poor to use a PC or follow directions so I am going to tell you to make some brf cakes, I am telling you they are the best for noobs and laughing while I use my much less maintenance higher yeild tek and harvest ounces from the first and second flush in one tub, doing nothing really but pouring hot water on it and mixing it with the sterile colonized rye, and I have 8 total tubs going at once, go make some cakes that won't grow anything but a few invitros and turn green after sitting in the SG doing nothing for a month, while having some poor idiot love it so, mist and fan the crap out of it for nothing.Have fun HAHA!

I wish somone had said get six 64 quart tubs, three 5 gallon buckets with locking lids, 3-6 bricks of coir, big bag-o-verm, gypsum, ELME, a 50 pound bag of rye, a pressure cooker, polyfil, at least 24 quart jars and 12 pint jars, synthetic filter disks, red rtv, some field leeched road apples or store bought shit, oust and other cleaning/sterile procedure items, two dehydrators, and a spore syringe.

Make a quart or three GLCs from MS grain jars first and make a few pint ELME LCs from the GLCs and use the rest to noc up 18-21 rye jars, and when 18 quarts of rye are fully colonized add them to Damion5050's elementary coir tek with a cup of gypsum and one quart of composted or field leeched shit ground up and properly pasteurized for some extra nutes added in place of one quart of verm for half the tubs, the rest of the tubs just use the tek so that you can compare growth rates and such. Clean totes cut holes yada yada spray oust in the room 10 minutes before you use 1/2 bucket of coir mix per tub and 3-31/3 quarts of spawn per tub. Mix each well, put the lid on, stack them in a closet with most of the holes taped, one or two holes tightly packed with poly per tub except the tubs stacked on top, lids will provide enough GE for top totes, now just wait ten days, check them, if fully colonized take off tape and fill holes with polyfil top tight bottom loose with one bottom plug left out till you see pins and then wait another week or so for ounces and ounces and ounces of mushrooms, you will have so many mushrooms you won't be able to dry them all at once or give them all away.

Then the person would have said good luck or something and answered every question I had politely without acting like they were better than me or saying UTFSE. I am about to tone this down to two tubs and make my own noob bulk tek for those who don't want to start at the bottom and I hope it pisses all the fat cake lovin bitches off so bad that they all come leave me angry nasty reviews for encouraging the noobs to do something besides cakes.  :needdrugs: :hanky:

PCing Rye is simple
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Making a mono FC...child's play
spawning to and half assed pasteurizing coir pfffft, do it in my sleep, literally...
waiting two more weeks, exciting
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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14366374 - 04/28/11 11:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

people talk people into cakes cuz u dont need a PC

thats all.

edit: and cuz when you lose 1 cake u dont lose a whole tub of 6 + quarts of spawn


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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14366386 - 04/28/11 11:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

its all simple, once you've studied it for a while, as you have.
of course with the proper equipment (be ready to spend at
least a grand for all the equipment yo've listed) and spend many hours reading up on the proper procedures.
comparitively, pf tek is simple, cheap and effective. i'm
sorry your experience with it went so bad, but believe me,
mine did'nt. i spent less than $50 and a few hours of reading
to perform my first pf tek, and as i only wanted enough for
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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: Fungal growth]
    #14366433 - 04/28/11 11:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yep, I just dropped $1,300 after the flowhood and everything to do it PROPERLY.

To be frank OP, I have no idea what you're ranting on about, I started with grain. Anyway, back to being productive...

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    #14366443 - 04/28/11 11:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:facepalm3: U really got WAY too much time on your hands to post and double post and then post again this kind of crap! Personally i am sick and tired of your half ass two cents all the fucking time...but that doesn't matter at all... just :2cents:  LOL


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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: Perun]
    #14366616 - 04/28/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

This was my first take, in full I think 3 pics

not bad for 12 cakes I guess lol the middle one stalled so I just picked it, I fanned the hell out of those things and now I have to do almost nothing and get dry ounces.


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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14366625 - 04/28/11 12:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14366637 - 04/28/11 12:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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and now I have to do almost nothing and get dry ounces.



thats bulk for ya ;p


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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14366668 - 04/28/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Wow. No offense, but that's some terrible overlay. You're losing weight if the mycellium is wasting energy overlaying the casing layer. Other than that, nice tray! :smile:


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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: PassiveAgressive]
    #14366672 - 04/28/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:awewtf: im going to leave this thread alone now..

but i dont think there is any overlay here.

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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: PassiveAgressive]
    #14366684 - 04/28/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Wow. No offense, but that's some terrible overlay. You're losing weight if the mycellium is wasting energy overlaying the casing layer. Other than that, nice tray! :smile:




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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: PassiveAgressive]
    #14366832 - 04/28/11 01:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Wow. No offense, but that's some terrible overlay. You're losing weight if the mycellium is wasting energy overlaying the casing layer. Other than that, nice tray! :smile:




1- thats not a tray, its a monotub.:thumbup:

2- thats not overlay, you dont get fruits w/overlay.  overlay is where the myc gets so dence that its almost like a rubber mat, it almost suffocates itself and wont fruit, then your sub dries out. :strokebeard3:

3- thats not a casing layer, thats colonized coir/manure/verm (Im pretty sure).


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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: 13shrooms]
    #14366883 - 04/28/11 01:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

This thread reeks of fail. Except what 13 Shrooms said.

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All you really need is enough money and time, and a 1st time grower can do bulk easily




Money, time, ability to follow directions, clean spores.
Your boring failthreads are boring and full of fail. Please post something interesting.
Lots of people start with grains, I did cased rye. So what? You can grow a monotub, that's great. But so what?


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    #14366897 - 04/28/11 01:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: 13shrooms]
    #14366922 - 04/28/11 01:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Meh. Mistakes happen, I'm still HAPPY  :discorex:


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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: PassiveAgressive]
    #14366931 - 04/28/11 01:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:plur:no biggie, I just cant let it go and had to correct it. :bananadance:


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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: Fungal growth]
    #14366937 - 04/28/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Fungal growth said:
its all simple, once you've studied it for a while, as you have.
of course with the proper equipment (be ready to spend at
least a grand for all the equipment yo've listed) and spend many hours reading up on the proper procedures.
comparitively, pf tek is simple, cheap and effective. i'm
sorry your experience with it went so bad, but believe me,
mine did'nt. i spent less than $50 and a few hours of reading
to perform my first pf tek, and as i only wanted enough for
a few people it was all good, in fact we got more than we really
needed.




Your crazy!!!!!  Yeah with a flowhood which he didnt mention. u might be close.

64qt tubs        $ 8.00
50lbs Rye        $20.00
Coir 3 pack      $ 12.00
verm  (huge bag)  $ 8.50
Quart Jars        $ 9.00
Pressure Cooker  $80.00

Like 140 bucks and most is a 1 time cost,  The only thing you need to buy for your next 10 grows is more Coir......  Thats it!  From 6 Monos ur talking LBS and LBS.

3n1gm4 I agree.  Also think you should write this tek.  I did have success with the pf tek.  12-13 years ago.  haha I still have the original PF TEK book, wonder if its worh any money now?


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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: 13shrooms]
    #14366946 - 04/28/11 01:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I never asked if I could do bulk for my first grow. I just studied and picked what I wanted to do. I did pretty good.
Oh, wait... SCREAM....YELL... RANT... FUCK YOU!
There now I'm participating, lol.
BTW If you had a bunch of green in your first grow, that's on you man... (shit I hope he doesn't find out I came over and messed his stuff up)...
Just kidding man. You do a good tek for noobs, that's a very kind thing. Good on ya'
Where is all the love anyway?
and nushie, where did u get 64 qt jars for $8? That's my life's savings but it'd be worth it


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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: 13shrooms]
    #14366961 - 04/28/11 01:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

this thread is :brilliant:

see sig line.

o...did he not mention a flowhood? i thought he had....
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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: Fungal growth]
    #14366977 - 04/28/11 01:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

All of my first grows were monotubs. I never wasted time with cakes (seriously they're a joke). You put so much effort and energy in cakes and get shit results.

As long as you keep things simple and stupid you shouldn't have any problems doing more "complex" grows. I actually think monotubs are super easy to pull off. The only hard part is learn what proper field capacity is...once you get that down it's all gravy.


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    #14366987 - 04/28/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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All of my first grows were monotubs. I never wasted time with cakes (seriously they're a joke). You put so much effort and energy in cakes and get shit results.




YOU got shit results. I get more dry mushroom per cup of substrate with cakes than any other substrate, by far.


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    #14367002 - 04/28/11 01:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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All of my first grows were monotubs. I never wasted time with cakes (seriously they're a joke). You put so much effort and energy in cakes and get shit results.




YOU got shit results. I get more dry mushroom per cup of substrate with cakes than any other substrate, by far.



I've never done cakes so...I've never got shit results from them. And you'd be the only person I've ever heard say cakes are more biologically fruitful per square ince or whatever measurement you're using then monotubs. The very worst you can do with a monotub is something like 4-6 oz dried. Thats for something the same size as most terrariums/fruiting chambers people use to fruit cakes in. I really don't know what math your using to say such outlandish things. I've only seen one person on this board get close to an ounce off of 1 cake...and that was one freaky crazy cake.


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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: ronjohn7779]
    #14367265 - 04/28/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Here you go SKYJOHNNY  This is just 1 example.  Shipping would suck but I have not paid more than $15


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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: 13shrooms]
    #14367609 - 04/28/11 03:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Wow. No offense, but that's some terrible overlay. You're losing weight if the mycellium is wasting energy overlaying the casing layer. Other than that, nice tray! :smile:




1- thats not a tray, its a monotub.:thumbup:

2- thats not overlay, you dont get fruits w/overlay.  overlay is where the myc gets so dence that its almost like a rubber mat, it almost suffocates itself and wont fruit, then your sub dries out. :strokebeard3:

3- thats not a casing layer, thats colonized coir/manure/verm (Im pretty sure).


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Ok then that substrate needs to cultivate longer before being introduced into fruiting then. There are so many things id change about this grow setup but its not mine so im not gona tell you what to do. But your light seems to not be working too well either, i would get a better reflector if i were u and not use a glass jars, it seems to be scattering the light with the glass curves and i bet you could make it more efficient. It was a cool idea tho.


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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14367703 - 04/28/11 03:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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All of my first grows were monotubs. I never wasted time with cakes (seriously they're a joke). You put so much effort and energy in cakes and get shit results.




YOU got shit results. I get more dry mushroom per cup of substrate with cakes than any other substrate, by far.





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    #14367794 - 04/28/11 03:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

MY goodness. Some people just need to rant to feel complete. It seems very similar to Mr. Trump's dumb ass rant about President Obama's birth certificate, now he is carrying on about the mans grades in college.(WTF) Shame on both of you! It might behoove you to find a different hobby that makes you happy. Nobody wants to read such negativity.


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    #14367912 - 04/28/11 04:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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All of my first grows were monotubs. I never wasted time with cakes (seriously they're a joke). You put so much effort and energy in cakes and get shit results.




YOU got shit results. I get more dry mushroom per cup of substrate with cakes than any other substrate, by far.




I've never done cakes so...I've never got shit results from them. And you'd be the only person I've ever heard say cakes are more biologically fruitful per square ince or whatever measurement you're using then monotubs. The very worst you can do with a monotub is something like 4-6 oz dried. Thats for something the same size as most terrariums/fruiting chambers people use to fruit cakes in. I really don't know what math your using to say such outlandish things. I've only seen one person on this board get close to an ounce off of 1 cake...and that was one freaky crazy cake.




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All of my first grows were monotubs. I never wasted time with cakes (seriously they're a joke). You put so much effort and energy in cakes and get shit results.




YOU got shit results. I get more dry mushroom per cup of substrate with cakes than any other substrate, by far.





lol really?





:bigyesnod:
Doc_T is correct in saying BRF PF tek cakes are/is the most B.E. (biologically efficient) substrate around.

if you could do monotubs of brf/verm (without long colonization times/contam issues) you would get more yield than any other substrate out there. :yesnod:

if you utsf, you would see many posts on B.E. and TCs like RR saying the same thing. :drugnerd:

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    #14367921 - 04/28/11 04:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Per weight BRF cakes yield more than monos...


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    #14367971 - 04/28/11 04:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

no kidding eh? Well, maybe I'll go back to cakes. I had no idea. Apparently I didn't do enough reading!


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    #14368007 - 04/28/11 04:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What that mean...if u r able to make same volume of cakes(brf sub) as volume of sub in monotub! Averege brick of coir expend to 6-7 Liters + 1-2Liters of verm + gypsum...that is around 10 liters of sub...try to make that amout of cakes!!! :smile:


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    #14368146 - 04/28/11 04:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

OP has a point which tends to get lost sometimes and turns into "other" things
although he has a hard time expressing it tactfully...:lol:

Here's the bottom line:


We recommend cakes for a first grow because it is a proven primer
to cultivation and the study of fungi, this tactic has been the standard
for 20 years now, long enough to have solidified its position as an "intro".

The shroomery gets torrential visits from n00bs looking to get their feet wet,
in order to ensure success (confidence) we point to the PF Tek.

its not because we are selfishly guarding some secret bulk method and secretly
hope you dont get more fruits then we did, in fact its quite the opposite,
I for one want to see everyone succeed and with as good or better results then myself.

Plenty of people dedicate precious time to help the n00bs who flood into MC
and and start slipping around like Bambi on ice, its our job to keep the mis-info at bay
and guide n00bs towards a simplistic path before we recommend copious amounts of time,
resources and energy which may or may not turn out as planned,

EVERY, single endeavor will turn out "unexpected" and the last thing we want is to cost someone
extra time, money, resources and the pain of failure. Win lose or draw the pf tek is a good
way to know if you want to continue the craft, the Pf tek insures the playing field
is level, for all degrees of aptitude to ensure success the first time around, we all share
the same Cultivation struggles, passion and strife. Its a waste of time and money to buy a
bunch of stuff get all gung ho and then find out your really not that interested or its just
not for you, then have to sell all the equipment....

I hear your point 3N1GM4, But you just haven't been around enough to fully understand
the scope of the mechanics that is the shroomery. Give it some time though and I am sure
you will understand, I mean some people cant even grasp the concept of what a self healing
injection port is, but then we get guys who show up and their 10th post shows keen awareness
of Advanced Mycology...its a mixed bag. There has to be a starting point that "works" for
the teachers and the student, we have answered the same thing over and over again and see the
same mistakes over and over again, thats why we recomend the pf tek and thats why it has survived
20 years as the launching pad for n00bs.




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All of my first grows were monotubs. I never wasted time with cakes
(seriously they're a joke). You put so much effort and energy in cakes and get shit results.




YOU got shit results. I get more dry mushroom per cup of substrate with cakes than any other substrate, by far.





I've never done cakes so...I've never got shit results from them. And you'd be the only person I've ever heard say cakes are more biologically fruitful per square ince or whatever measurement you're using then monotubs. The very worst you can do with a monotub is something like 4-6 oz dried. Thats for something the same size as most terrariums/fruiting chambers people use to fruit cakes in. I really don't know what math your using to say such outlandish things. I've only seen one person on this board get close to an ounce off of 1 cake...and that was one freaky crazy cake.




I'm not arguing or raining on your parade, I just think it is relevant. Cakes Vs Bulk


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    #14368363 - 04/28/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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if you could do monotubs of brf/verm (without long colonization times/contam issues) you would get more yield than any other substrate out there. :yesnod:

if you utsf, you would see many posts on B.E. and TCs like RR saying the same thing. :drugnerd:

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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14368376 - 04/28/11 05:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I have watched spongies threads for a while now, good stuff. :yesnod:


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    #14368385 - 04/28/11 05:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

yup yup

BRf/verm is good stuff.

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    #14368549 - 04/28/11 06:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:laugh2:
I needed some entertainment since I haven't been browsing any threads for a few weeks... thanks fellow fun-guys! :smile2:

to the OP, not everyone is after the same goal (bulk?), but I do get what you're laying down... I too started out doing bulk MS-monotubs with rye/coir, then went to WBS and cloning, skipping pf-tek altogether...

but I also understood the idea behind pf-tek because I had researched mush/cult for a few years before starting my projects, which helped alot. whether one realizes it or not, once you understand what is taking place step by step - everything seems simple as :poop:

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    #14368562 - 04/28/11 06:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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This thread reeks of fail. Except what 13 Shrooms said.

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All you really need is enough money and time, and a 1st time grower can do bulk easily




Money, time, ability to follow directions, clean spores.
Your boring failthreads are boring and full of fail. Please post something interesting.
Lots of people start with grains, I did cased rye. So what? You can grow a monotub, that's great. But so what?





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This thread reeks of fail. Except what 13 Shrooms said.

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Money, time, ability to follow directions, clean spores.
Your boring failthreads are boring and full of fail. Please post something interesting.
Lots of people start with grains, I did cased rye. So what? You can grow a monotub, that's great. But so what?





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Wow. No offense, but that's some terrible overlay. You're losing weight if the mycellium is wasting energy overlaying the casing layer. Other than that, nice tray! :smile:




1- thats not a tray, its a monotub.:thumbup:

2- thats not overlay, you dont get fruits w/overlay.  overlay is where the myc gets so dence that its almost like a rubber mat, it almost suffocates itself and wont fruit, then your sub dries out. :strokebeard3:

3- thats not a casing layer, thats colonized coir/manure/verm (Im pretty sure).


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It is 3 quarts rye to half of a Damion5050's elementary coir tek in a 64 quart tub with the light in the middle of the tub

It is not cased just a high spawn ratio for a small tub that should have consolidated a few more days or something maybe

No manure in that one, that was my second grow attempt ever's uneven first flush and I think it was beautiful compared to any cake

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This thread reeks of fail. Except what 13 Shrooms said.

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All you really need is enough money and time, and a 1st time grower can do bulk easily




Money, time, ability to follow directions, clean spores.
Your boring failthreads are boring and full of fail. Please post something interesting.
Lots of people start with grains, I did cased rye. So what? You can grow a monotub, that's great. But so what?




If you don't want to read my rants don't read them lol, when I got here I had hundreds of dollars to spend and everyone here always preaches pf tek to noobs and I think it is bull. Now I can't afford rye and I am telling every noob I see to learn how to PC. I was just voicing my opinion this isn't the 140$ noob bulk tek. In fact if this were a tek I would not start it with a rant like that, I am just saying that PF tek and half pint cakes are bull pretty much. Now the home made agar plates in half pint jars, that sounds interesting and I am a noob if there ever was one. There is no such thing as keeping it simple stupid in this hobby. You have to experiment, it is human nature and I am  :trippnballs:  :Awemush: thank you everyone for all the help and thank you coco coir and thank you:cubie:s


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    #14369531 - 04/28/11 08:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

my first grow was with the PF tek, out of 8 jars only one made it into fruiting and my yield was less than 7 grams dried.
my second grow i did 4 or 5 rye jars (all made it to fruiting), to coir casing, then placed in a shotgun FC, i loosely followed the From syringe to print using rye tek.

this was my second attempt at mycology and i still consider myself a noob. i should also mention that i wouldn't recommend the PF tek to anyone.





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    #14369556 - 04/28/11 09:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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It is 3 quarts rye to half of a Damion5050's elementary coir tek in a 64 quart tub with the light in the middle of the tub

It is not cased just a high spawn ratio for a small tub that should have consolidated a few more days or something maybe

No manure in that one, that was my second grow attempt ever's uneven first flush and I think it was beautiful compared to any cake

Love you guys:fasted:






64qt = 16 gallons.

My monotubs are 66qt. You had full sized monotubs & used 1/2 of everything you needed per. That's why your yields were so low. You had 1-1/2 to 2" substrate depth when you need 4". You shorted yourself, dude. I'm sorry to say. I use extra spawn in my larger totes to make sure I hit that 3-1/2 to 4" mark.

Keep experimenting, but start w/ the fundamentals. BRF = more mushies per substrate vs grain to bulk.


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    #14369573 - 04/28/11 09:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Can you eat the cake once you're done flushing it?

Seriously, I went straight to 7 monotubs my first time.

PF Tek is a little outdated. I think people just repeat stuff they've overheard from people like RR, on here. Whatever. Oh, and Doc said the same things in this thread as he said to me when I posted the same observation (that PF Tek sucks). You didn't think that he got to 30k posts just looking at preteen porn, did you?


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    #14369640 - 04/28/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

BIG ASSED FC little assed sub/cake? , what a waste of time and space I could have fit at least 4 monos in that spot, I never gave up though I just kept on fanning and misting and dunking:laugh2: I was so gullible, I am still making cakes don't get me wrong but I think any :crazybaby: would be better off failing at their first bulk than succeeding in getting a few mush from a cake and wasting another spore on pf tek, pf tek should be something that you should do with your extra GLC from your first grow and if you don't have the $ for a PC and a brick of coir then :fuckyou:

Wow my screen is 3d with no glasses

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    #14369687 - 04/28/11 09:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

well, when i was doing it, a case of 12 half-pints yeilded
us 2-3 oz. we RARELY lost any cakes to contams.
used a stockpot and steamed them for 60 minutes even.
sooo...some of you had terrible luck w/ pf tek and tried
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    #14369716 - 04/28/11 09:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Or you got bad MS or bad spores man. PF tek is tried & true, no way around it.

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    #14369824 - 04/28/11 09:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

LMAO I am dumb, I have been up going on three days straight and I ate, great visuals even though I was already seeing things :mushroomtwirl:  :prance:  signing off:getstoned::raveface:
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Or you got bad MS or bad spores man. PF tek is tried & true, no way around it.

Wait till your "super" cake is done & you see what we're all talking about.



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I'm more interested in growth density than substrate efficiency. But I'm just a noob.


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    #14380822 - 05/01/11 01:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm more interested in getting enough small ones to use a few times and give some away. I also like to eat some fresh pins if they are big enough. My two cakes that made it out of the 12 had some invitro that made it. The coir that I crumbled the cakes onto is in the SG and the super cake looks like it is stalling at 99% colonized, bout a silver dollar size spot on the corner, I expect it to turn green any day now. The crumbled cake tray looks surprisingly well compared to my rye tubs. They have only been fruiting for a day though, I should have pins tomorrow.


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    #14393717 - 05/03/11 10:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I just got back online, was going for some updates. The super cake is fully colonized and I think I am going to find a different home for my tray that I made from coir and crumbled cakes and fruit the super cake.

The two cakes that survived out of the last dozen are pinning, kinda, the one has 3 that were invitro, and the other has one bottom pin that is squishing out from under it.

All three monos are fruiting, the one that has been out for 3 days has a few pins visible, the other two have just been out one and two days. The one with 80/20 coir/dehydrated Hpoo looks the best out of all three, it only took a week to fully colonize and the rhizo growth looks amazing. I will try to take some pics later.

Sorry if I came off as a jerk I have been going through a change in my meds and I can't control what I say or type at time, I really do respect the cake it just is not for me, and I shouldn't have downed it that bad. Cakes or whatever its all good as long as it's not green. Peace out, I am about to eat my last cracker dry quarter, so I might be about a day on those pics. Ty to everyone here that has been honest, polite and helpful. Ty cakes, ty pins, ty myc, ty coir, ty monos, ty SGFC and TY to all the inventors and tek writers. PEACE and LOVE and a bowl of bud. :awesome2:


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    #14401351 - 05/04/11 06:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ok here are my sorry looking monos with like 7 pins total...it's only day 2-4 though, 3 different tubs 3 days apart. Last one has only been fruiting for 2 days.

zoo poo was first


D5050's elementary coir was second


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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14401635 - 05/04/11 07:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: Carl Sagan]
    #14401693 - 05/04/11 07:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

nice tub, i like the looks of this one better than your last, im suprised there are only a few pins showing up. are you using the same genetics??


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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: sporesmores420]
    #14401812 - 05/04/11 08:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

so you been tripping off shrooms that whole rant? 3 days straight tripping? damn man.... sounds a little rough, how did that treat ya? eating a quarter sounds like fun tho, lmao!


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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: slapphappypill]
    #14401949 - 05/04/11 08:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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nice tub, i like the looks of this one better than your last, im suprised there are only a few pins showing up. are you using the same genetics??



Same genetics, but they were very potent.
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so you been tripping off shrooms that whole rant? 3 days straight tripping? damn man.... sounds a little rough, how did that treat ya? eating a quarter sounds like fun tho, lmao!



No not for 3 days, but I was wishing it would stop by the 6th or 7th hour, I tried an upgrade on my OS and then my puter wouldn't start, had to restart from scratch. Thats why I hadn't been online annoying you guys.


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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: k00laid]
    #14402233 - 05/04/11 09:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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people talk people into cakes cuz u dont need a PC

thats all.

edit: and cuz when you lose 1 cake u dont lose a whole tub of 6 + quarts of spawn




If you make two quarts for GLCs and PC the grain of your choice then it wouldn't mean that much to lose a whole tub, especially if you have 6 of them going at once.

Just wait till I build my flowhood.... :bender:


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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14402326 - 05/04/11 09:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

There has got to be some type of grain that you could boil instead of PCing. A tough grain or seed that you could get to the right consistency and capacity after boiling it for hours maybe?

If you could boil something for hours and shake the outside dry like rye then you could get it to colonize if it had enough nutes. Then you would have a PC free bulk that worked for noobs with no PC. If they use a whole syringe, don't take prints and screw the whole thing up it wouldn't be your fault that person would have screwed up cakes too.

All you need is a quart of grain and a few ccs. Coir is cheap, so is water. Put on yer church clothes and spange ya enough dough fer sum vermHickulite.:getstoned: and go look fer sum field leeched road apples.


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