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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: ronjohn7779]
#14366987 - 04/28/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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ronjohn7779 said: All of my first grows were monotubs. I never wasted time with cakes (seriously they're a joke). You put so much effort and energy in cakes and get shit results.
YOU got shit results. I get more dry mushroom per cup of substrate with cakes than any other substrate, by far.
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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: Doc_T]
#14367002 - 04/28/11 01:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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ronjohn7779 said: All of my first grows were monotubs. I never wasted time with cakes (seriously they're a joke). You put so much effort and energy in cakes and get shit results.
YOU got shit results. I get more dry mushroom per cup of substrate with cakes than any other substrate, by far.
I've never done cakes so...I've never got shit results from them. And you'd be the only person I've ever heard say cakes are more biologically fruitful per square ince or whatever measurement you're using then monotubs. The very worst you can do with a monotub is something like 4-6 oz dried. Thats for something the same size as most terrariums/fruiting chambers people use to fruit cakes in. I really don't know what math your using to say such outlandish things. I've only seen one person on this board get close to an ounce off of 1 cake...and that was one freaky crazy cake.
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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: ronjohn7779]
#14367265 - 04/28/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Here you go SKYJOHNNY This is just 1 example. Shipping would suck but I have not paid more than $15
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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: 13shrooms]
#14367609 - 04/28/11 03:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wow. No offense, but that's some terrible overlay. You're losing weight if the mycellium is wasting energy overlaying the casing layer. Other than that, nice tray! 
1- thats not a tray, its a monotub.
2- thats not overlay, you dont get fruits w/overlay. overlay is where the myc gets so dence that its almost like a rubber mat, it almost suffocates itself and wont fruit, then your sub dries out. 
3- thats not a casing layer, thats colonized coir/manure/verm (Im pretty sure).

Ok then that substrate needs to cultivate longer before being introduced into fruiting then. There are so many things id change about this grow setup but its not mine so im not gona tell you what to do. But your light seems to not be working too well either, i would get a better reflector if i were u and not use a glass jars, it seems to be scattering the light with the glass curves and i bet you could make it more efficient. It was a cool idea tho.
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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: Doc_T]
#14367703 - 04/28/11 03:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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ronjohn7779 said: All of my first grows were monotubs. I never wasted time with cakes (seriously they're a joke). You put so much effort and energy in cakes and get shit results.
YOU got shit results. I get more dry mushroom per cup of substrate with cakes than any other substrate, by far.
lol really?
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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: Maverick]
#14367794 - 04/28/11 03:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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MY goodness. Some people just need to rant to feel complete. It seems very similar to Mr. Trump's dumb ass rant about President Obama's birth certificate, now he is carrying on about the mans grades in college.(WTF) Shame on both of you! It might behoove you to find a different hobby that makes you happy. Nobody wants to read such negativity.
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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: Maverick]
#14367912 - 04/28/11 04:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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ronjohn7779 said: All of my first grows were monotubs. I never wasted time with cakes (seriously they're a joke). You put so much effort and energy in cakes and get shit results.
YOU got shit results. I get more dry mushroom per cup of substrate with cakes than any other substrate, by far.
I've never done cakes so...I've never got shit results from them. And you'd be the only person I've ever heard say cakes are more biologically fruitful per square ince or whatever measurement you're using then monotubs. The very worst you can do with a monotub is something like 4-6 oz dried. Thats for something the same size as most terrariums/fruiting chambers people use to fruit cakes in. I really don't know what math your using to say such outlandish things. I've only seen one person on this board get close to an ounce off of 1 cake...and that was one freaky crazy cake.
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ronjohn7779 said: All of my first grows were monotubs. I never wasted time with cakes (seriously they're a joke). You put so much effort and energy in cakes and get shit results.
YOU got shit results. I get more dry mushroom per cup of substrate with cakes than any other substrate, by far.
lol really?
 Doc_T is correct in saying BRF PF tek cakes are/is the most B.E. (biologically efficient) substrate around.
if you could do monotubs of brf/verm (without long colonization times/contam issues) you would get more yield than any other substrate out there. 
if you utsf, you would see many posts on B.E. and TCs like RR saying the same thing. 
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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: 13shrooms]
#14367921 - 04/28/11 04:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Per weight BRF cakes yield more than monos...
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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: TranscendingLife]
#14367971 - 04/28/11 04:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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no kidding eh? Well, maybe I'll go back to cakes. I had no idea. Apparently I didn't do enough reading!
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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: PassiveAgressive] 1
#14368007 - 04/28/11 04:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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What that mean...if u r able to make same volume of cakes(brf sub) as volume of sub in monotub! Averege brick of coir expend to 6-7 Liters + 1-2Liters of verm + gypsum...that is around 10 liters of sub...try to make that amout of cakes!!!
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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: ronjohn7779]
#14368146 - 04/28/11 04:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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OP has a point which tends to get lost sometimes and turns into "other" things although he has a hard time expressing it tactfully...
Here's the bottom line:
We recommend cakes for a first grow because it is a proven primer to cultivation and the study of fungi, this tactic has been the standard for 20 years now, long enough to have solidified its position as an "intro".
The shroomery gets torrential visits from n00bs looking to get their feet wet, in order to ensure success (confidence) we point to the PF Tek.
its not because we are selfishly guarding some secret bulk method and secretly hope you dont get more fruits then we did, in fact its quite the opposite, I for one want to see everyone succeed and with as good or better results then myself.
Plenty of people dedicate precious time to help the n00bs who flood into MC and and start slipping around like Bambi on ice, its our job to keep the mis-info at bay and guide n00bs towards a simplistic path before we recommend copious amounts of time, resources and energy which may or may not turn out as planned,
EVERY, single endeavor will turn out "unexpected" and the last thing we want is to cost someone extra time, money, resources and the pain of failure. Win lose or draw the pf tek is a good way to know if you want to continue the craft, the Pf tek insures the playing field is level, for all degrees of aptitude to ensure success the first time around, we all share the same Cultivation struggles, passion and strife. Its a waste of time and money to buy a bunch of stuff get all gung ho and then find out your really not that interested or its just not for you, then have to sell all the equipment....
I hear your point 3N1GM4, But you just haven't been around enough to fully understand the scope of the mechanics that is the shroomery. Give it some time though and I am sure you will understand, I mean some people cant even grasp the concept of what a self healing injection port is, but then we get guys who show up and their 10th post shows keen awareness of Advanced Mycology...its a mixed bag. There has to be a starting point that "works" for the teachers and the student, we have answered the same thing over and over again and see the same mistakes over and over again, thats why we recomend the pf tek and thats why it has survived 20 years as the launching pad for n00bs.
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ronjohn7779 said: All of my first grows were monotubs. I never wasted time with cakes (seriously they're a joke). You put so much effort and energy in cakes and get shit results.
YOU got shit results. I get more dry mushroom per cup of substrate with cakes than any other substrate, by far.
I've never done cakes so...I've never got shit results from them. And you'd be the only person I've ever heard say cakes are more biologically fruitful per square ince or whatever measurement you're using then monotubs. The very worst you can do with a monotub is something like 4-6 oz dried. Thats for something the same size as most terrariums/fruiting chambers people use to fruit cakes in. I really don't know what math your using to say such outlandish things. I've only seen one person on this board get close to an ounce off of 1 cake...and that was one freaky crazy cake.
I'm not arguing or raining on your parade, I just think it is relevant. Cakes Vs Bulk
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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: 13shrooms]
#14368363 - 04/28/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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13shrooms said: if you could do monotubs of brf/verm (without long colonization times/contam issues) you would get more yield than any other substrate out there. 
if you utsf, you would see many posts on B.E. and TCs like RR saying the same thing. 

Check out some of Spongiform's big PF Block grows if you want to see some High Efficiency Cultivation.
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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: Doc_T]
#14368376 - 04/28/11 05:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have watched spongies threads for a while now, good stuff.
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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: 13shrooms]
#14368385 - 04/28/11 05:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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yup yup
BRf/verm is good stuff.
people limit substrate types to certain fruiting methods too often.
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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: Barakanaten]
#14368549 - 04/28/11 06:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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 I needed some entertainment since I haven't been browsing any threads for a few weeks... thanks fellow fun-guys! 
to the OP, not everyone is after the same goal (bulk?), but I do get what you're laying down... I too started out doing bulk MS-monotubs with rye/coir, then went to WBS and cloning, skipping pf-tek altogether...
but I also understood the idea behind pf-tek because I had researched mush/cult for a few years before starting my projects, which helped alot. whether one realizes it or not, once you understand what is taking place step by step - everything seems simple as 

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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: Doc_T]
#14368562 - 04/28/11 06:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: This thread reeks of fail. Except what 13 Shrooms said.
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All you really need is enough money and time, and a 1st time grower can do bulk easily
Money, time, ability to follow directions, clean spores. Your boring failthreads are boring and full of fail. Please post something interesting. Lots of people start with grains, I did cased rye. So what? You can grow a monotub, that's great. But so what?
what a dick tree
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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: punkrocker292004]
#14368940 - 04/28/11 07:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: This thread reeks of fail. Except what 13 Shrooms said.
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All you really need is enough money and time, and a 1st time grower can do bulk easily
Money, time, ability to follow directions, clean spores. Your boring failthreads are boring and full of fail. Please post something interesting. Lots of people start with grains, I did cased rye. So what? You can grow a monotub, that's great. But so what?
what a dick tree
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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: Doc_T]
#14369515 - 04/28/11 08:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wow. No offense, but that's some terrible overlay. You're losing weight if the mycellium is wasting energy overlaying the casing layer. Other than that, nice tray! 
1- thats not a tray, its a monotub.
2- thats not overlay, you dont get fruits w/overlay. overlay is where the myc gets so dence that its almost like a rubber mat, it almost suffocates itself and wont fruit, then your sub dries out. 
3- thats not a casing layer, thats colonized coir/manure/verm (Im pretty sure).

It is 3 quarts rye to half of a Damion5050's elementary coir tek in a 64 quart tub with the light in the middle of the tub
It is not cased just a high spawn ratio for a small tub that should have consolidated a few more days or something maybe
No manure in that one, that was my second grow attempt ever's uneven first flush and I think it was beautiful compared to any cake
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All you really need is enough money and time, and a 1st time grower can do bulk easily
Money, time, ability to follow directions, clean spores. Your boring failthreads are boring and full of fail. Please post something interesting. Lots of people start with grains, I did cased rye. So what? You can grow a monotub, that's great. But so what?
If you don't want to read my rants don't read them lol, when I got here I had hundreds of dollars to spend and everyone here always preaches pf tek to noobs and I think it is bull. Now I can't afford rye and I am telling every noob I see to learn how to PC. I was just voicing my opinion this isn't the 140$ noob bulk tek. In fact if this were a tek I would not start it with a rant like that, I am just saying that PF tek and half pint cakes are bull pretty much. Now the home made agar plates in half pint jars, that sounds interesting and I am a noob if there ever was one. There is no such thing as keeping it simple stupid in this hobby. You have to experiment, it is human nature and I am thank you everyone for all the help and thank you coco coir and thank you s
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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14369531 - 04/28/11 08:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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my first grow was with the PF tek, out of 8 jars only one made it into fruiting and my yield was less than 7 grams dried. my second grow i did 4 or 5 rye jars (all made it to fruiting), to coir casing, then placed in a shotgun FC, i loosely followed the From syringe to print using rye tek.
this was my second attempt at mycology and i still consider myself a noob. i should also mention that i wouldn't recommend the PF tek to anyone.

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Re: Some noobs, ARE capable of doing bulk!?! Whats the hockey cake 4 anyway? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14369556 - 04/28/11 09:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It is 3 quarts rye to half of a Damion5050's elementary coir tek in a 64 quart tub with the light in the middle of the tub
It is not cased just a high spawn ratio for a small tub that should have consolidated a few more days or something maybe
No manure in that one, that was my second grow attempt ever's uneven first flush and I think it was beautiful compared to any cake
Love you guys
64qt = 16 gallons.
My monotubs are 66qt. You had full sized monotubs & used 1/2 of everything you needed per. That's why your yields were so low. You had 1-1/2 to 2" substrate depth when you need 4". You shorted yourself, dude. I'm sorry to say. I use extra spawn in my larger totes to make sure I hit that 3-1/2 to 4" mark.
Keep experimenting, but start w/ the fundamentals. BRF = more mushies per substrate vs grain to bulk.
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