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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14360593 - 04/27/11 11:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, all Muslims bomb people. Just like all Christians bomb abortion clinics.
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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: 4896744]
#14360654 - 04/27/11 11:26 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've been thinking about finding a church to attend that would be laid-back about my agnostic take on epistemology and my open-ended faith in the redeeming power of Christ. I'm not really big on the Unitarian Universalist idea, but such a Christian church would not be hard to find in the Bay Area.
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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: NetDiver]
#14361413 - 04/27/11 02:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Samurai Drifter said: Yeah, all Muslims bomb people. Just like all Christians bomb abortion clinics. 
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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: NetDiver]
#14361624 - 04/27/11 03:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Samurai Drifter said: Yeah, all Muslims bomb people. Just like all Christians bomb abortion clinics. 
Let's see we have a small number of Christians who have bombed abortion clinics and millions of Muslims who have killed people all over the world with the support and sanction of their religious and political leaders. Yep. They're definitely the same.
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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14361712 - 04/27/11 03:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14361811 - 04/27/11 03:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: The only religion I've been "bombarded" with is Islam.
Well, you do not attend an extremely Baptist private high school.
Poor baby, has to listen to people talk. What a tragedy. Meanwhile Islamists send real bombs.
Ive never had someone come to my house in hopes to convert me to the islamic faith. They must know better. Id be sure to answer the door eating a pork chop with a beer in my hand. I havent been bombarded in the least (Though the US does bend over backwards for Muslims.) Christianity and all its off shoots i have been bombarded with. Christians, Baptists, Catholics, Jehovas have all come to my door in hopes of converting me.
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I've only gotten Witnesses and Democrats myself. Oh yeah and two giant jet bombs flown into buildings in what I consider to be my city.
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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14361974 - 04/27/11 04:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: The only religion I've been "bombarded" with is Islam.
Well, you do not attend an extremely Baptist private high school.
Poor baby, has to listen to people talk. What a tragedy. Meanwhile Islamists send real bombs.
Wow, I love how you can so subtly lace your strawman with personalisms. You just picked on my use of the word "bombarded" and created a whole new stance that I never put forth.
My thread was actually speaking of the benefits associated with following Christianity.
Just so you know, bombarded can be used in situations other than to describe physical attack.
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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: 4896744]
#14363298 - 04/27/11 08:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Christians aren't known for suicide bombings, but I think it bears mentioning that they're the ones holing up in compounds and stocking up on guns and ammo throughout the rural US.
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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14363315 - 04/27/11 08:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Let's see we have a small number of Christians who have bombed abortion clinics and millions of Muslims who have killed people all over the world with the support and sanction of their religious and political leaders. Yep. They're definitely the same.
"Millions" of Muslims is a huuuuuge fucking exaggeration.
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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14364979 - 04/28/11 02:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Samurai Drifter said: Yeah, all Muslims bomb people. Just like all Christians bomb abortion clinics. 
Let's see we have a small number of Christians who have bombed abortion clinics and millions of Muslims who have killed people all over the world with the support and sanction of their religious and political leaders. Yep. They're definitely the same.
US govs through history have murdered millions of innocents, still I don't judge americans by that, and always try to refer to the real responsible who would be the gov, although I can't understand american civilians who feed those wars, but I can't say they all do.
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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: NetDiver]
#14365888 - 04/28/11 09:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Let's see we have a small number of Christians who have bombed abortion clinics and millions of Muslims who have killed people all over the world with the support and sanction of their religious and political leaders. Yep. They're definitely the same.
"Millions" of Muslims is a huuuuuge fucking exaggeration.
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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#14365980 - 04/28/11 09:38 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, obviously the figures are difficult to measure, but Al Qaeda, by far the biggest network of terrorist groups, contains only about 20,000 insurgents, which is 1/50th of 1 million.
Muslims all over the world condemned the terrorist attacks they carried out, too.
Islam is not a religion of violence, any more than Christianity is a religion of violence for Christians perpetrating the crusades. Most of the cause for violence in middle-eastern countries can be traced to the oppressive dictatorships that constitute their governments.
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http://www.islamfortoday.com/murad04.htm http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sheikh-issues-fatwa-against-all-terrorists-1915000.html http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/01/06/muslim.radicalization.study/ )
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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: NetDiver]
#14366330 - 04/28/11 11:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Samurai Drifter said: Well, obviously the figures are difficult to measure, but Al Qaeda, by far the biggest network of terrorist groups, contains only about 20,000 insurgents, which is 1/50th of 1 million.
Muslims all over the world condemned the terrorist attacks they carried out, too.
Islam is not a religion of violence, any more than Christianity is a religion of violence for Christians perpetrating the crusades. Most of the cause for violence in middle-eastern countries can be traced to the oppressive dictatorships that constitute their governments.
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http://www.islamfortoday.com/murad04.htm http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sheikh-issues-fatwa-against-all-terrorists-1915000.html http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/01/06/muslim.radicalization.study/ )
There are a billion Muslims. al Qaeda is one of their smaller terror groups. Then there are the Muslim governments and their populations who fund and support the actual bombers. It would only take 0.1% of them to make a million and it is a fuck of a lot higher than that. If 99.9% of Muslims were against it it wouldn't be happening.
Islam most definitely is much more a religion of violence than any other. And if you don't believe me I'm gonna cut your head off. Just ask Theo van Gogh, Salman Rushdie and Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14366365 - 04/28/11 11:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Even if Islam is "more violent" as a religion than any other in the world, how can this delineation help us to stop the violence it causes? Would you advocate the persecution of Islam?
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I advocate the suspicion of Islamists. If that is persecution than so be it.
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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: 4896744]
#14366504 - 04/28/11 11:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i get high as shit off religion all the time. read some holy texts and breathe deep
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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14366916 - 04/28/11 01:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Throughout history, though, Christian governments and authorities have probably sanctioned as many as or more violent deaths than Islam (averaged out over the centuries, since Christianity got a 600 year head start).
Also, I would be interested in seeing whether you have evidence for your assertion that more than 0.1% of Muslims are violent radicals. My instincts tell me that's not true, though I'd be interested to see the evidence that demonstrates its truth.
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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: Lion]
#14366960 - 04/28/11 01:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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islam does have a very violent history, it was formed by war and theres other examples, al qaeda and the nation of islam in america. I think it's an amazing tradition and it just came out of a time when this was necessary, if they can ever transcend this violence it'll probably go into a second golden age.
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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14367022 - 04/28/11 01:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I advocate the suspicion of Islamists. If that is persecution than so be it.
How shall this suspicion be practiced?
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