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Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce?
    #14366247 - 04/28/11 10:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Title says all.  I have only grown herb and mush, and havn't dabbled in any extractions or anything yet.  Which drug gave you guys the most trouble when trying to produce it?


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: BaSSidio Head]
    #14366253 - 04/28/11 10:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thionite.


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: BaSSidio Head]
    #14366263 - 04/28/11 10:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i haven't tried, nor would i, but apparently LSD is very difficult to synthesize/extract.


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: Dosile Kouki]
    #14366279 - 04/28/11 10:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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i haven't tried, nor would i, but apparently LSD is very difficult to synthesize/extract.




That doesn't surprise me.  It is cheap enough that I will let someone else worry about it.


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: Dosile Kouki]
    #14366294 - 04/28/11 11:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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i haven't tried, nor would i, but apparently LSD is very difficult to synthesize/extract.




Nah, there are way more difficult drugs to synth than LSD, a lot of RCs are much harder.

Honestly growing pot outside has been really annoying. I've had tons of people rip out my plants, the wind rips them out of the ground when seedlings, random storm comes in, theres a fucking field of bunnies that keep eating them too.

Its worth it though when the crops come through :grin:


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: Uzziel]
    #14366296 - 04/28/11 11:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Don't grow on private property and it shouldn't get ripped out.


But I do agree growing marijuana is a lot of maintenance.


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: BaSSidio Head]
    #14366298 - 04/28/11 11:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

pretty much any drug that you can think of extracting or synthesizing fits under the same statement you've just made. All drugs are available if you know the right people. Theres no need to be dabbling in these sorts of things.


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: Dosile Kouki]
    #14366312 - 04/28/11 11:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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i haven't tried, nor would i, but apparently LSD is very difficult to synthesize/extract.



I've heard it's easy if you have some organic lab background and proper equipment.


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: Set]
    #14366324 - 04/28/11 11:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You heard wrong. It's not "easy" by any means regardless of your background in organic chem.
Assuming you have the full-scale lab with the many tens of thousands of dollars in mandatory equipment, Also getting the illegal and watched precursors.
LSD is not stable to heat, light or air. It's really easy to fuck it up. We aren't talking a high school A/B extraction here.

But by all means though don't let that stop you. We need more chemists out there.


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: Maverick]
    #14366329 - 04/28/11 11:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Don't grow on private property and it shouldn't get ripped out.


But I do agree growing marijuana is a lot of maintenance.




Well the problem is, it was on my property... but I found a good spot way out in the middle of no where, got 17 sprouting so I'll see how it goes :laugh:


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: Dosile Kouki]
    #14366350 - 04/28/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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pretty much any drug that you can think of extracting or synthesizing fits under the same statement you've just made. All drugs are available if you know the right people. Theres no need to be dabbling in these sorts of things.




I enjoy the process of cultivation and I am sure I will enjoy extractions, so I would rather do it myself.  But if I have to create a miniature chem lab in my basement to create a $5 hit of acid, I would rather not fuck with it.  Plus I hate chemistry, basic chem is fine, but I don't want to do some complex organic chem project.


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: Shroomism]
    #14366383 - 04/28/11 11:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You heard wrong. It's not "easy" by any means regardless of your background in organic chem.




It was my organic chemistry lab instructor who told me it is easy, and that a person who took his course would also find it easy.


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: Set]
    #14366404 - 04/28/11 11:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

urban myth lsd is hard to make.


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: Set]
    #14366406 - 04/28/11 11:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Butthash is getting pretty hard to produce nowadays. Governments cracking down and all.


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: mongo lloyd]
    #14366412 - 04/28/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

gotta hit up some skidmarks for rez


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: Set]
    #14366414 - 04/28/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Did you see the other things I posted as well. There's a lot more to it than just knowing how to do it. The 'proper equipment' doesn't fall from the sky.
Even if you know exactly what you're doing, it's easy to fuck it up.
If every organic chemistry lab instructor on the planet thought making LSD was so easy don't you think there would be more than 2 or 3 LSD labs??


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: Uzziel]
    #14366440 - 04/28/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Don't grow on private property and it shouldn't get ripped out.


But I do agree growing marijuana is a lot of maintenance.




Well the problem is, it was on my property... but I found a good spot way out in the middle of no where, got 17 sprouting so I'll see how it goes :laugh:




D:  Get an angry dog!

Oh wait I get it.  But yeah it'd be better to grow on your own property.  People constantly seek the middle of nowhere, hence the reason they are bad places. :wink:


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: Shroomism]
    #14366456 - 04/28/11 11:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Did you see the other things I posted as well. There's a lot more to it than just knowing how to do it. The 'proper equipment' doesn't fall from the sky.



I read what you posted.  "Easy" was stated in reference to execution of the required techniques.  Of course the equipment and precursors are difficult to obtain.  That goes without saying.



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Even if you know exactly what you're doing, it's easy to fuck it up.
If every organic chemistry lab instructor on the planet thought making LSD was so easy don't you think there would be more than 1 or 2 LSD labs??



Equipment, precursor, and lab space are extremely difficult to obtain.

And then there's the risk.  My professor put it this way: "Why would a graduate student or a PhD in organic chemistry decide to risk prison for lsd manufacture?"


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: Set]
    #14366490 - 04/28/11 11:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

There are more than 2 or 3 lsd labs.

If i had to guess why more people don't make it, i'd guess its because its too strong and you can't really safely be around it in its pure form unless you're committed to being dosed to heaven and hell.

I mean, for example something like MDMA is definitely EASY to make, lol and there is hardly a flood of cheap high quality MDMA.

people are just lazy, chemistry isn't for everyone, doing illegal shit isn't for everyone.


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: Maverick]
    #14366503 - 04/28/11 11:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Nah this area looks like human hasn't seen it in a long time. I have to go through a lot of brush that scrapes me up to get to it. Spent about 3 hours looking for a good spot


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: tk3]
    #14366506 - 04/28/11 11:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Haha yeah.  1 mg of powder gets in into the air and you have an interesting day or two ahead of you.  :lol:


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: Set]
    #14366574 - 04/28/11 11:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I encourage anyone who thinks they can make LSD to get a lab and start trying :yesnod:
One well equipped chemist can supply enough LSD for hundreds of thousands of people in a single batch :yesnod:


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: Shroomism]
    #14366586 - 04/28/11 12:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Its somethin' I'm thinking about. I'd need helpers to get the supplies though, I know pretty much everything is watched like a hawk by the DEA.

I'm gonna be taking a few chemistry classes this summer :biggrin:


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: Uzziel]
    #14366708 - 04/28/11 12:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

lol


good luck cultivating your own ergot


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: Uzziel]
    #14366713 - 04/28/11 12:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Its somethin' I'm thinking about. I'd need helpers to get the supplies though, I know pretty much everything is watched like a hawk by the DEA.

I'm gonna be taking a few chemistry classes this summer :biggrin:




If you were REALLY thinking about doing it at some point in the future I would stop posting about it on a public message board immediately.


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: Uzziel]
    #14366755 - 04/28/11 12:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Everybody knows the hardest chem to extract is Adrenochrome..only cuz you must use a live adrenaline gland.


Geeeeeezzzzzeeeeeee.


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: BaSSidio Head]
    #14366784 - 04/28/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Mescaline cause it takes forever for the cacti to grow :zomgwtf:

Its the only psychedelic that I haven't tried but really want to.


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: bryguy27007]
    #14366812 - 04/28/11 12:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Uzziel said:
Its somethin' I'm thinking about. I'd need helpers to get the supplies though, I know pretty much everything is watched like a hawk by the DEA.

I'm gonna be taking a few chemistry classes this summer :biggrin:




If you were REALLY thinking about doing it at some point in the future I would stop posting about it on a public message board immediately.




Everything I say is a lie, I don't know what you are talking about :tongue2:


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: Salomon]
    #14366843 - 04/28/11 01:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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lol


good luck cultivating your own ergot





We're at the shroomery, what the hell do you think we're doing here... Other then that there is enough research done about improving the alkaloid content and extracting.

Most chemistry is pretty straightforward, sometimes you just have to spend some time reading and experimenting

but most of the time you just can't get the additional chemicals needed :lol: . Labequipment isn't all that expensive at a 1000€ I had a lot of glassware and other then that be creative and weld something, after receiving the glassware it was food for thought on how to recreate it :lol:

maybe something for the DIY forum... hmm

I'd like to cultivate big PHAT poppies but I haven't done it in this climate here, so that's the hardest one I can think off to cultivate. Weed is a weed, shrooms grow on poo.
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i'm also starting a chemistry course soon, after I passed the exam to get in. have been working and doing thangs for over a year but I really like chemistry:thumbup:


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: Beanhead]
    #14366864 - 04/28/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

as recently as 2008 there was an unwatched precursor as good as ET.


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: Salomon]
    #14366887 - 04/28/11 01:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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good luck cultivating your own ergot




If only we could find somebody here capable of growing fungus on rye grain... sigh. :sad:


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14366988 - 04/28/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Oneof the sound guys from grateful dead used to make lsd for them and I don't suppose he had much of an elaborate lab to work on so I don't think it is actually that hard, but then again, those were other times.

Probably the hard part now isn't the chemistry but the adquisition of the proper "ingredients"


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14367015 - 04/28/11 01:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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good luck cultivating your own ergot




If only we could find somebody here capable of growing fungus on rye grain... sigh. :sad:



It takes a special type of rye thats not resistant to ergot which is not the case with most modern varieties. You need to infest it during the spring summer and collect the mush in fall.


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: Horsewithnoname]
    #14367170 - 04/28/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Oneof the sound guys from grateful dead used to make lsd for them and I don't suppose he had much of an elaborate lab to work on so I don't think it is actually that hard, but then again, those were other times.

Probably the hard part now isn't the chemistry but the adquisition of the proper "ingredients"




Bear? I'm pretty sure he had a proper lab. He didn't exactly half ass his production.


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    #14367184 - 04/28/11 02:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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good luck cultivating your own ergot




If only we could find somebody here capable of growing fungus on rye grain... sigh. :sad:



It takes a special type of rye thats not resistant to ergot which is not the case with most modern varieties. You need to infest it during the spring summer and collect the mush in fall.




Feh. I bet you could grow ergot on PF cakes.


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    #14367218 - 04/28/11 02:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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good luck cultivating your own ergot




If only we could find somebody here capable of growing fungus on rye grain... sigh. :sad:



It takes a special type of rye thats not resistant to ergot which is not the case with most modern varieties. You need to infest it during the spring summer and collect the mush in fall.




Feh. I bet you could grow ergot on PF cakes.



well, you're the master


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: BaSSidio Head]
    #14367253 - 04/28/11 02:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If your interested in extractions/synthesizing and psychedelic chemistry. I highly recommend www.thenook.org. Some very knowledgeable people over there.

You will need to register to see most of the interesting forums.


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: LSDenthusiast]
    #14367277 - 04/28/11 02:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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    #14367371 - 04/28/11 02:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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good luck cultivating your own ergot




If only we could find somebody here capable of growing fungus on rye grain... sigh. :sad:



It takes a special type of rye thats not resistant to ergot which is not the case with most modern varieties. You need to infest it during the spring summer and collect the mush in fall.




Feh. I bet you could grow ergot on PF cakes.



Now you only have to prove it :smirk:


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: Horsewithnoname]
    #14367384 - 04/28/11 02:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Oneof the sound guys from grateful dead used to make lsd for them and I don't suppose he had much of an elaborate lab to work on so I don't think it is actually that hard, but then again, those were other times.

Probably the hard part now isn't the chemistry but the adquisition of the proper "ingredients"



He wasn't just 'a sound guy', he was the biggest LSD chemist in probably the whole world when he was active. Underground chemist I mean, I'd imagine Sandoz made more.


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: mongo lloyd]
    #14367865 - 04/28/11 04:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Oneof the sound guys from grateful dead used to make lsd for them and I don't suppose he had much of an elaborate lab to work on so I don't think it is actually that hard, but then again, those were other times.

Probably the hard part now isn't the chemistry but the adquisition of the proper "ingredients"



He wasn't just 'a sound guy', he was the biggest LSD chemist in probably the whole world when he was active. Underground chemist I mean, I'd imagine Sandoz made more.




Then I take my comments back for my utter ignorance and thus I have learned something new.


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: Horsewithnoname]
    #14367877 - 04/28/11 04:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Oneof the sound guys from grateful dead used to make lsd for them and I don't suppose he had much of an elaborate lab to work on so I don't think it is actually that hard, but then again, those were other times.

Probably the hard part now isn't the chemistry but the adquisition of the proper "ingredients"



He wasn't just 'a sound guy', he was the biggest LSD chemist in probably the whole world when he was active. Underground chemist I mean, I'd imagine Sandoz made more.



Then I take my comments back for my utter ignorance and thus I have learned something new.



:thumbup: Not sure if you know, but he died a couple of months ago. Pretty savage considering how much on an influence he had on the music scene of the 60s.


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: mongo lloyd]
    #14368023 - 04/28/11 04:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Horsewithnoname said:
Oneof the sound guys from grateful dead used to make lsd for them and I don't suppose he had much of an elaborate lab to work on so I don't think it is actually that hard, but then again, those were other times.

Probably the hard part now isn't the chemistry but the adquisition of the proper "ingredients"



He wasn't just 'a sound guy', he was the biggest LSD chemist in probably the whole world when he was active. Underground chemist I mean, I'd imagine Sandoz made more.



Then I take my comments back for my utter ignorance and thus I have learned something new.



:thumbup: Not sure if you know, but he died a couple of months ago. Pretty savage considering how much on an influence he had on the music scene of the 60s.




Yeah, I stumbled upon those news not much time ago. Sad, but nothing to do about it.


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: Horsewithnoname]
    #14370043 - 04/28/11 10:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The tropane alkaloids most likely.


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: shadowman-x]
    #14370071 - 04/28/11 10:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

As far as synthesis goes..not extraction mind you..


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Re: Hardest drug to cultivate/extract/produce? [Re: Salomon]
    #14370100 - 04/28/11 10:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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good luck cultivating your own ergot




You wouldn't cultivate your own ergot; that's one way of doing things sure, but it's not efficient at all.

You would purchase scheduled and highly watched chemical precursors from places where money means more than regulations and people will fudge the books for less than a grand.  You then clandestinely transport your contraband to your laboratory.


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