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ID needed on Panaeolus
    #14366041 - 04/28/11 09:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

found on cow dung, spore print was black







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Re: ID needed on Panaeolus [Re: tryptonite]
    #14366052 - 04/28/11 10:00 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Looks like cinctulus to me. Who knows though. It may be rarer; Pans are really hard to macroscopically identify.

Also, was it growing DIRECTLY off dung, or in grass/soil?

EDIT: Also, was there a red/caramel nipple in the center of the cap of the more flat/open Pan?


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Re: ID needed on Panaeolus [Re: tryptonite]
    #14366058 - 04/28/11 10:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm guessing Pan.papillionaceus but they look a bit different from what I'm used to seeing.Could be something else.


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Re: ID needed on Panaeolus [Re: Blue-FunGuy]
    #14366060 - 04/28/11 10:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm guessing Pan.papillionaceus but they look a bit different from what I'm used to seeing.




Margin looks too smooth and the mottling of the gills looks too light imo/ime.

Pan pap gills ime.


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Re: ID needed on Panaeolus [Re: Ieponumos]
    #14366068 - 04/28/11 10:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I hear ya.My first thought was Pan.foeniisecii but they don't grow from dung.


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Re: ID needed on Panaeolus [Re: Blue-FunGuy]
    #14366071 - 04/28/11 10:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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My first thought was Pan.foeniisecii but they don't grow from dung.




This. The red/purple bruising isn't present on this one like it is on other Pans. OP still hasn't answered whether or not it was growing directly from dung or not. It doesn't look like it in the pic, but the grass could be obscuring well pulverized dung.


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Re: ID needed on Panaeolus [Re: Ieponumos]
    #14366122 - 04/28/11 10:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

it was directly from dung, but well pulverised as you said. no nipple. i'm very sure its not papilionaceus.


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Re: ID needed on Panaeolus [Re: tryptonite]
    #14366165 - 04/28/11 10:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think they're Pan. foes.


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Re: ID needed on Panaeolus [Re: tryptonite]
    #14366208 - 04/28/11 10:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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it was directly from dung, but well pulverised as you said. no nipple. i'm very sure its not papilionaceus.




Check back that spot every couple days or so and see if you can get some more pics of them growing.


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Re: ID needed on Panaeolus [Re: elprawn]
    #14366211 - 04/28/11 10:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I think they're Pan. foes.




That would be depressing. Foes on turds?


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Re: ID needed on Panaeolus [Re: Ieponumos]
    #14366215 - 04/28/11 10:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think the turds are incidental. I think they're growing from the grass.


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Re: ID needed on Panaeolus [Re: elprawn]
    #14366216 - 04/28/11 10:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm gonna agree with elprawn here. The stipe doesn't look the right color/texture to me to be cinctulus. :shrug:


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Re: ID needed on Panaeolus [Re: Ieponumos]
    #14366243 - 04/28/11 10:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

cinctulus and foenisecii don't grow on cow poop.

these look like P. foenisecii


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Re: ID needed on Panaeolus [Re: tryptonite]
    #14366310 - 04/28/11 11:06 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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spore print was black




Can you post a picture of it?

I'd agree with the others that they are P. foenisecii.


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Re: ID needed on Panaeolus [Re: The Thinker]
    #14366428 - 04/28/11 11:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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cinctulus doesn't grow on cow poop.




I beg to differ. I think both weiliiii and dickenz have found P. cinctulus growing on cow poop.


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Re: ID needed on Panaeolus [Re: Ieponumos]
    #14366469 - 04/28/11 11:39 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

They will ocasionally fruit from cow dung but its not common.


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Re: ID needed on Panaeolus [Re: Blue-FunGuy]
    #14366482 - 04/28/11 11:41 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hey Tryptonite, answer me this:

How do they smell? Farinaceous or funky?


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Re: ID needed on Panaeolus [Re: Ieponumos]
    #14366689 - 04/28/11 12:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ah, they can grow on cow manure according to "mjshroomer" who says about 1 in 1000 fields may have a single or few specimens. can anyone link me to pictures?


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Re: ID needed on Panaeolus [Re: The Thinker]
    #14366712 - 04/28/11 12:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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ah, they can grow on cow manure according to "mjshroomer" who says about 1 in 1000 fields may have a single or few specimens. can anyone link me to pictures?




I'm still looking for weiliiii's (you might be able to ask him on MO, he changed his user name, but he's still easy to contact), but here's dickenz's account:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14334018#14334018


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I am assuming youre talking about cinctulus...
I find em in a pasture thats pretty much a hillside...that slopes down to flatland that the cows tend to hang out and there is about 6 inches of doo doo in most places..and thick grass/weeds..stays wet and partly shaded by the trees nearby...usually growing from the deeper thicker weeds and grass








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Re: ID needed on Panaeolus [Re: The Thinker]
    #14366903 - 04/28/11 01:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The Thinker said:
ah, they can grow on cow manure according to "mjshroomer" who says about 1 in 1000 fields may have a single or few specimens. can anyone link me to pictures?




The one from weilii may have been my imagination. I can't find anything from him. I can say I want to go hunting with Dickenz one of these days. Dude has some interesting finds.


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