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Falcon91Wolvrn03
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Re: Getting better? I don't fucking think so [Re: memes]
#14566661 - 06/05/11 09:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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meams said: The way our government operates, giving tax cuts to the rich doesn't necessitate decreased government spending, or visa versa.
That's true, but if the Bush tax cuts for the rich stay in place, they'll be responsible for a large share of total debt, as shown here:

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What a complete line of shit.
His crystal ball is broken so he won't hire, even though his business is 'successful'? Here's a news flash: If one wishes to expand his business by producing more product, he's eventually going to have to hire more bodies to do so. That's how it works. To claim he's going to sit on his ass because he doesn't know what tomorrow will bring means he's an idiot, not a businessman.
Gotta love those "un-named guy in the isle seat on the plane said. . ." stories. It pains my heart in sympathy for those 'guy in the isle seat types' who wish to dump mercury and other toxins into our rivers and air if only the damn EPA would get out of the way, so they could hire more people.  RR
Sorry roger, but your response is as rediculous as you perceived zappa's to be. Companies DO sit on their ass because of regulatory uncertainty. Companies do not necessarily have to hire more people IN THE SHORT TERM to expan their business. Productivity increases can be made with existing employees through investment in new capital equipment, or by altering the employee scheduling/workload/hours.
Whether a boss decides to work his employees overtime vs hiring additional employees depends upon whether or not the employer can accurately assess the costs of both options. We know what it costs to pay a worker overtime. We do not know what it costs to hire an additional employee - since health care regulations (among others) are so up in the air at this point.
Additionally, i think its pretty apparent that his "guy in the isle" story is as weaksauce as your "businessman wants to dump mercury into our rivers" rant.
My observation has been that the Government gives business plenty of warning when changes are coming. In fact, the Government tends to be very slow with changes. Here in California, we passed a law to ban foie gras in 2004, but it won't go into effect until 2012 so businesses have time to get ready.
Similarly, most of the new health care changes won't go into effect until 2015 or later, for the same reason. So while I agree with zap's post in principle (as previously stated) that business needs time to react, I agree more with RogerRabbit in that the only type of regulatory change that won't give businesses sufficient warning is if the Government needs to pass emergency legislation to prevent toxins from entering our atmosphere in a certain way that hasn't yet been legislated, for example.
-------------------- I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them. I also attack my side if I think they're wrong. People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.
Edited by Falcon91Wolvrn03 (06/05/11 09:43 PM)
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i see what you're saying. and while regulatory uncertainty is certainly a factor, i think a lot of the hiring resistance these days is resulting from such turbulent commodity prices. How shoudl I know waht my demand will be in 3mo if prices can be exponentially higher (or lower) than they are now?
Lots of things goin crazy in the wordl.
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Re: Getting better? I don't fucking think so [Re: memes]
#14566711 - 06/05/11 09:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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-------------------- I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them. I also attack my side if I think they're wrong. People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.
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