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zappaisgod said: ridiculously low $250,000.

I suppose you think that is wealthy. Sadly it is not even close. Not here. Not with tuition to pay with after tax dollars.Quote:
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zappaisgod said: The money doesn't disappear when the bomb explodes, the bomb does. The money paid to the worker who made the bomb lives on in taxes wasted on bums and goods and services that are purchased by the bombmaker which are also taxed and wasted on bums and so on and so forth ad nauseum.
The same is also true when you build schools and roads, except the schools and roads don't disappear.
Those things, along with the military and police and border functions are legitimate functions of government. I question whether roads and schools are a legitimate function of the federal government and in fact I believe most of those expenses are borne at the state and local level. Except for the Interstate system they should be entirely borne at the state and local level. Schools would probably best be left to private entities. The government does a shitty job.
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Re: Getting better? I don't fucking think so [Re: imachavel]
#14456880 - 05/15/11 03:19 PM (13 years, 7 days ago) |
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imachavel said: what evens it out
Nothing. Hence the deficit.
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why did a billion a day have to be spent?
It didn't, but our elected officials want to: a. Buy votes from societal leeches. b. Appear to be doing something, anything. c. Ensure governmental control over the states and the people. d. Rob Peter to pay Paul.
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and what evens it back out to normal so that everything is spent evenly, and the debt is obliterated. and deficit is even or whatever?
Throw the cocksuckers out of office.
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Re: Getting better? I don't fucking think so [Re: zappaisgod]
#14458127 - 05/15/11 06:48 PM (13 years, 7 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I suppose you think that is wealthy. Sadly it is not even close. Not here. Not with tuition to pay with after tax dollars.
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zappaisgod said: Schools would probably best be left to private entities.
So lets see... $250,000/yr barely covers private tuition. Schools should be privatized.
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zappaisgod
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zappaisgod said: I suppose you think that is wealthy. Sadly it is not even close. Not here. Not with tuition to pay with after tax dollars.
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zappaisgod said: Schools would probably best be left to private entities.
So lets see... $250,000/yr barely covers private tuition. Schools should be privatized.

Yep. Every year my property taxes put at least 3 kids through primary and secondary school. Of course, I haven't had any fucking kids in primary or secondary school for quite some time. So, yeah, I'd like to get off that hook, at least.
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Re: Getting better? I don't fucking think so [Re: zappaisgod]
#14459326 - 05/15/11 09:47 PM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I suppose you think that is wealthy. Sadly it is not even close. Not here. Not with tuition to pay with after tax dollars.
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zappaisgod said: Schools would probably best be left to private entities.
So lets see... $250,000/yr barely covers private tuition. Schools should be privatized.

Yep. Every year my property taxes put at least 3 kids through primary and secondary school. Of course, I haven't had any fucking kids in primary or secondary school for quite some time. So, yeah, I'd like to get off that hook, at least.
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Re: Getting better? I don't fucking think so [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#14459353 - 05/15/11 09:51 PM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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imachavel said: what evens it out
Nothing. Hence the deficit.
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why did a billion a day have to be spent?
It didn't, but our elected officials want to: a. Buy votes from societal leeches. b. Appear to be doing something, anything. c. Ensure governmental control over the states and the people. d. Rob Peter to pay Paul.
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and what evens it back out to normal so that everything is spent evenly, and the debt is obliterated. and deficit is even or whatever?
Throw the cocksuckers out of office.
ok, throw the bastards out of office. well, we got rid of bush, even though some people think he didn't add to this shit we're in 
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anyway, so now we get rid of the obama administration. but who is to say once we impeach them, that whoever takes their place won't be just as bad? would hillary have been a good president?
although i'm almost thinking it WILL be hillary or somebody like her next. i mean we voted in a black president, when people said we couldn't do that. now we have to vote in a women president. or we could skip it, a lot of countries have queens, nothing unheard of.
i don't know, i know you are right, but who do we replace these 'fuck ups' with?
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Re: Getting better? I don't fucking think so [Re: zappaisgod]
#14459766 - 05/15/11 11:05 PM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Schools would probably best be left to private entities.
You are not worthy of the Zappa name !
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Re: Getting better? I don't fucking think so [Re: Vsnares.Zappa]
#14460463 - 05/16/11 02:22 AM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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zappaisgod
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Re: Getting better? I don't fucking think so [Re: imachavel]
#14461265 - 05/16/11 09:48 AM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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Are you two children really going to try to argue that Frank Zappa thought public education was good?
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Re: Getting better? I don't fucking think so [Re: imachavel]
#14461555 - 05/16/11 11:20 AM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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imachavel said: ok, throw the bastards out of office. well, we got rid of bush, even though some people think he didn't add to this shit we're in 
Yeah, bush! He was dumb! He took us to war! We dont like him! Whoopdi doo. Bush's tax policies probably helped spur our spending glut in the early 2000s, but bush did not make us buy houses that we couldn't aford (blame fanny, freddy, and overzealous bankers taking advantage of perpetually-rising housing values). Also, blame us, duh.
And additionally, dont blame the resulting government deficits on Obama, or on bush, or on democrats or republicans. Fact of the matter is, a lot lot lot of federal monies had to be spent to keep us from entering uncomfortably difficult times (what do you do when your neighbor and best friend is losing their house and starving, but you can barely afford your rent? let them stay with you? but you dotn have room? waht if its not your neighbor, but your brother? or mom? etc. etc. )
Now, obvoiusly if a republican was in office, government money wouldv'e been spent some different way. namely, they would've probaly cut the shit out of taxes and kept spending more-or-less constant. note: this results in the same deficit of monies as if they kept taxes steady and boosted the fuck out of spending.
The result is: government had to spent a lot to heal the wounds we caused ourselves when we averaged over 750B/yr in mortgage credit.
I stole this table from the FRB's Flow of Funds release, but it shows the picture well enough:
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Re: Getting better? I don't fucking think so [Re: memes]
#14464377 - 05/16/11 08:10 PM (13 years, 5 days ago) |
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What? nobodoy wants to talk when logical things are said? We only wait for nonsense to get spouted so we can wittily point out its incrediulocity? (made up word, i think!)
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Re: Getting better? I don't fucking think so [Re: memes]
#14465086 - 05/16/11 09:56 PM (13 years, 5 days ago) |
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meams said: What? nobodoy wants to talk when logical things are said? We only wait for nonsense to get spouted so we can wittily point out its incrediulocity? (made up word, i think!)
I'm in agreement with your last post. What's left to say? 
I wait for nonsense so I can point out its incrediulocity.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I'm in agreement with your last post. What's left to say? 
I realized after my last post that this is my fatal flaw: make sense and kill threads, or post bullshit and keep the shroomery alive?
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Re: Getting better? I don't fucking think so [Re: memes] 1
#14466596 - 05/17/11 07:03 AM (13 years, 5 days ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I'm in agreement with your last post. What's left to say? 
I realized after my last post that this is my fatal flaw: make sense and kill threads, or post bullshit and keep the shroomery alive?
Or say what you think, back it up and don't worry about what others do or do not say.
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Re: Getting better? I don't fucking think so [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#14466764 - 05/17/11 07:55 AM (13 years, 5 days ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: Or say what you think, back it up and don't worry about what others do or do not say.
Well, considering the presence of others is paramount to my continued participation in a non-scitzophrenic conversation....
.....im a bit worried if anyone ever responds after I make a valid point
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Re: Getting better? I don't fucking think so [Re: memes]
#14546765 - 06/01/11 04:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Schizoconomy lives:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/43239586
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"It seems that almost every bit of data about the health of the US economy has disappointed expectations recently," said Riddell, in a note sent to CNBC on Wednesday.
"US house prices have fallen by more than 5 percent year on year, pending home sales have collapsed and existing home sales disappointed, the trend of improving jobless claims has arrested, first quarter GDP wasn’t revised upwards by the 0.4 percent forecast, durables goods orders shrank, manufacturing surveys from Philadelphia Fed, Richmond Fed and Chicago Fed were all very disappointing."
"And that’s just in the last week and a bit," said Riddell.
Pointing to the dramatic turnaround in the Citigroup "Economic Surprise Index" for the United States, Riddell said the tumble in a matter of months to negative from positive is almost as bad as the situation before the collapse of Lehman Brothers in 2008.
"The correlation between the economic surprise index and Treasury yields is very close, so the lesson is that whatever your long term macro views are regarding hyper inflation vs. deflation or the risk of the US defaulting, the reality is that if you want to have a view about government bond prices, the best thing you can do is look at the economic data to see what’s actually going on," said Riddell.
You can accept his interpretation or not but you cannot dispute the facts. Unless we toss out the liberal swine in 2012 we will get limited growth from such a bottomed out position that it will be like the view from an outhouse pit. Shit will just keep falling.
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Re: Getting better? I don't fucking think so [Re: zappaisgod]
#14553930 - 06/03/11 01:17 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: ...you cannot dispute the facts. Unless we toss out the liberal swine in 2012 we will get limited growth from such a bottomed out position that it will be like the view from an outhouse pit. Shit will just keep falling.
What makes you think a Republican President would give the country more growth? The only people they'll help are the rich, at the expense of everyone else.
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zappaisgod said: ...you cannot dispute the facts. Unless we toss out the liberal swine in 2012 we will get limited growth from such a bottomed out position that it will be like the view from an outhouse pit. Shit will just keep falling.
What makes you think a Republican President would give the country more growth? The only people they'll help are the rich, at the expense of everyone else.
Who the fuck do you think drives the economy? Hint, it isn't minimum wage morons.
I don't expect the Republicans to help the rich. I expect them to stop fucking the rich in the ass with giant redwood dildoes and telling the world what scum they are for being successful. You and your ilk just don't seem to understand that succeeding isn't a criminal activity that should be prosecuted with confiscatory taxation (fines?). Why might that be?
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Re: Getting better? I don't fucking think so [Re: zappaisgod]
#14558624 - 06/04/11 01:37 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Who the fuck do you think drives the economy? Hint, it isn't minimum wage morons.
So you think that shrinking our police force, paying teachers less, and cancelling infrastructure jobs so we can give tax cuts to the rich somehow improves our economy? 
That's what's referred to as "voodoo" economics.
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> So you think that shrinking our police force, paying teachers less, and cancelling infrastructure jobs so we can give tax cuts to the rich somehow improves our economy?
Why are you making shit up? Can you not defend your liberal viewpoint without resorting to fantasy? Rather than cry that you aren't making shit up, please show me where Zappa advocated that state governments should be prohibited from managing their own police force, education budgets, or infrastructure.
> That's what's referred to as "voodoo" economics.
No, not even close. Voodoo economics was a term used to describe economic policies promoted by Ronald Reagan. The general idea is that if the rich are doing good, then everybody is doing good and if the rich are doing poor, then everybody is doing poor.
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