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Oxygen and Water Production Inside Fruiting Chamber
    #14365024 - 04/28/11 02:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I've found, during academic textual research, that high levels of O2(OXYGEN) and H2O(WATER) are necessary to produce faster fruiting, higher yields, and more flushes. Currently, the best simple methods to satisfy these needs are 1) Shotgun Terrarium 2) Poor Man's 3) Basic perlite + water / aeration holes.

But what if, in addition to perlite+water, O2 and H2O were produced inside the terrarium itself to bolster growth and relieve concentrations of CO2(Carbon Dioxide)? Intuitive answers may include combustion and photosynthesis in the forms of a candle and a plant inside the fruiting chamber. Perhaps--But my solution is far more eyebrow raising, theoretical, and ridiculous/foolish/genius.

Hydrogen Peroxide(H2O2), as a basic chemical reaction, decomposes into Water(H2O) and Oxygen(O2), looking somewhat like this on the molecular level. 2H2O2 ------> O2 + 2H2O

This decomposition occurs slowly but surely. Although I have not researched it properly, adding H2O2 to the perlite at the bottom of the fruiting chamber can achieve the O2 production in addition to atmosphere hydration. I've seen many TEKs suggest adding H2O2 but, the amount always appears to be too small to supply super-fruit O2 levels.

Manganese Dioxide(MnO2) is a catalyst that exponentially increases the rate of decomposition as evident in the bubbling and mist produced in the hydrogen peroxide. The bubbles are O2 and the mist that fogs from the meniscus of the liquid H2O2 is water vapor.

MnO2---found in alkaline batteries, can be ordered from online retailers
H2O2---CVS, Target, WalMart, etc.

In conclusion, I'm extremely curious to see how this decomposition, whether slow or catalyzed, affects fruiting inside the chamber.

TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK


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Re: Oxygen and Water Production Inside Fruiting Chamber (moved) [Re: Steelcutoats]
    #14365613 - 04/28/11 07:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

This thread was moved from Advanced Mycology.

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Off topic in advanced mycology. 

In addition, all of these 'ideas' have been kicked around here since day one.  The search engine will give you previous threads and experiments.

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Re: Oxygen and Water Production Inside Fruiting Chamber (moved) [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14365744 - 04/28/11 08:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It was in Advanced Mycology because we're talking about Orgo Chem. Annnd no one's done it yet, with pics or log---lol my bad

** Steelcut then leaned back and waited for a posting flurry of all the links he'd been searching for :smile: **

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Re: Oxygen and Water Production Inside Fruiting Chamber (moved) [Re: Steelcutoats] * 1
    #14365789 - 04/28/11 08:39 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Not advanced, and not mycology. More like Basic Physics 101.

Your initial premise is faulty- mushrooms don't require high levels of O2, 21% is perfect.
What they DO require is low levels of CO2, you need to have Fresh Air Exchange.

How exactly you provide that is up to you, and you certainly can use complicated expensive chemical methods like they use to produce air on space stations.

Or you can just use room air like the rest of us do. :shrug:


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Re: Oxygen and Water Production Inside Fruiting Chamber (moved) [Re: Doc_T]
    #14365814 - 04/28/11 08:52 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What's the Doctor's preferred method of air exchange?

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Re: Oxygen and Water Production Inside Fruiting Chamber (moved) [Re: Steelcutoats]
    #14366968 - 04/28/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If your planning on doing a grow with these methods and posting pics on the results, then ill take you seriously.


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Re: Oxygen and Water Production Inside Fruiting Chamber (moved) [Re: Steelcutoats]
    #14366975 - 04/28/11 01:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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What's the Doctor's preferred method of air exchange?




MSG tubs all the way.
I use them in an unzipped, unpowered humidity tent but depending on your local conditions you can just have them on a shelf.


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Re: Oxygen and Water Production Inside Fruiting Chamber (moved) [Re: Doc_T]
    #14367063 - 04/28/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Right on Sporesmores...at least I'm getting a nibble :smile: haha
I will keep you posted

DOC_T! Where can I find your signature thread? with the doc_t tub tek


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Re: Oxygen and Water Production Inside Fruiting Chamber (moved) [Re: Steelcutoats]
    #14367073 - 04/28/11 01:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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DOC_T! Where can I find your signature thread? with the doc_t tub tek




In my sig block! There's like thirty thousand links to that thing! Click and read, young spore!


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Re: Oxygen and Water Production Inside Fruiting Chamber (moved) [Re: Doc_T]
    #14367159 - 04/28/11 02:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You could invent an impeller type device that uses electrical power to push an air current.


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Re: Oxygen and Water Production Inside Fruiting Chamber (moved) [Re: anonjon]
    #14374482 - 04/29/11 08:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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You could invent an impeller type device that uses electrical power to push an air current.




:awesomenod: Surely this amazing device is pure fantasy.

Haha, I am interested in what the OP is saying though. Can't hurt for him to do a little experiment?

I remember reading about a period of time, when the Earth was young, where atmospheric oxygen was way more abundant than the 21% we have today.
Everything on Earth was supersized as a result... massive trees, 6 foot roaches, car-sized mice, that sort of thing.

But I don't know how much H2O2 you'd need to decompose, to significantly raise the O2 concentration in your FC. Probably a shitload.

Seems like if you wanted to do a real experiment, you'd need some way to keep track of your molar O2 concentration and whatnot-- kinda tough being that you also need to let carbon dioxide escape, circulate air within the FC, and maintain humidity, (all while H2O2 decomposition progresses)...

And now this starts to sound like you might be better off just sticking to good ol' FAE.


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Re: Oxygen and Water Production Inside Fruiting Chamber (moved) [Re: SKrink]
    #14375146 - 04/29/11 10:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Higher oxygen levels didn't cause giant mice. It facilitated mice becoming gigantic.


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Re: Oxygen and Water Production Inside Fruiting Chamber (moved) [Re: Doc_T]
    #14389470 - 05/02/11 03:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Since plants use CO2, H2O, and photonic energy to respirate and produce sugar, higher concentrations of O2 would not bolster vegitative growth. But, mega fauna would provide more food for animals thereby making them larger and more plentiful, thereby making the animals that feed on them larger and more plentiful, thereby making the fungi and bacteria that decompose them larger and more plentiful, thereby producing more nutrients for plants to grow larger and more plentiful.


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Re: Oxygen and Water Production Inside Fruiting Chamber (moved) [Re: Steelcutoats]
    #14423523 - 05/09/11 08:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

This subject is totaly off topic but I cant help but chime in.  The high levels of O2 allowed the insects to grow to huge size BC the way they breath is not efficient and in todays lower O2 levels they max out in size, most other organisms were not affected the same way. 


Why not just plant some grass in your casing and let them controle your atmosphere if you want an automatic system(I have not done this just thowing it out).  Nature worked this out a long time ago.

If your trying to produce mega fruit just grow Orisa India in a good monotub/shotgun with good sub.  They get huge on a good dung/straw mix.  Nature worked this out too.


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Re: Oxygen and Water Production Inside Fruiting Chamber (moved) [Re: trout]
    #14424824 - 05/09/11 02:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

All cubes get big on dung/straw. Not just OI.


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Re: Oxygen and Water Production Inside Fruiting Chamber (moved) [Re: anonjon]
    #14425250 - 05/09/11 03:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

YES, but OI is huge when happy,  I have seen a lot of strains and only PE comes close to sheer mass of indidvidual fruitbodies.


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Re: Oxygen and Water Production Inside Fruiting Chamber (moved) [Re: trout]
    #14425328 - 05/09/11 04:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Oak Ridge.

And lots of other "strains" as well.


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Re: Oxygen and Water Production Inside Fruiting Chamber (moved) [Re: Doc_T]
    #14425389 - 05/09/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

most of them i would say. It's easier to name off the smaller strains than to say which one's won't get humongous.

that being said, OI is near the top of my list of fav strains too.


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Re: Oxygen and Water Production Inside Fruiting Chamber (moved) [Re: anonjon]
    #14428377 - 05/10/11 05:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Doc T would know.  I have been around several and OI was tops for me but you may be right.  I would love an Oak ridge print if one was available Doc?


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Re: Oxygen and Water Production Inside Fruiting Chamber (moved) [Re: trout]
    #14428540 - 05/10/11 07:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

First read the strain thread.


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