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Re: Heroic Doses [Re: bholzer]
    #14368490 - 04/28/11 06:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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There is definitely a cross tolerance, but I'm not entirely sure how strongly one drug affects the tolerance to another.




hmm this may be true what makes you think this arent they pretty different chemical structures? such as lsd=ergotamine(i believe is the main thing) and shrooms=phylosibin? i realize i spelled those wrong


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Re: Heroic Doses [Re: bloodyxscar]
    #14368551 - 04/28/11 06:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

There's no preparing for a high dose of psychedelics, it's different for everyone.


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Re: Heroic Doses [Re: bloodyxscar]
    #14368695 - 04/28/11 06:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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bloodyxscar said:
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bholzer said:
There is definitely a cross tolerance, but I'm not entirely sure how strongly one drug affects the tolerance to another.




hmm this may be true what makes you think this arent they pretty different chemical structures? such as lsd=ergotamine(i believe is the main thing) and shrooms=phylosibin? i realize i spelled those wrong




They are, but they still affect the same receptors in the brain. This can cause the cross-tolerance.

And ergotamine isn't the active chemical, it's a precursor to LSD. LSD's active chemical is lysergic acid diethylamide.


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Re: Heroic Doses [Re: bholzer]
    #14368710 - 04/28/11 06:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

And by active chemical I mean only chemical


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Re: Heroic Doses [Re: bholzer]
    #14368758 - 04/28/11 06:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Heroic doses is the way to go. You'll have fun, don't seek anything from it. Just lay back and enjoy the ride. Nothing a poster, a thought or the internet will ever explain to you what a heroic dose is like, you just have to try it for yourself. And if you wanna see real visuals, trip in the dark. enjoy!


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Re: Heroic Doses [Re: HerbalJunkie]
    #14368815 - 04/28/11 07:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Could high doses of mush or LSD be compared to a salvia trip for intensity? Perhaps a different kind of intensity? I've done the salvia, but not a high dose.


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Re: Heroic Doses [Re: Nightingale]
    #14368819 - 04/28/11 07:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Could high doses of mush or LSD be compared to a salvia trip for intensity? Perhaps a different kind of intensity? I've done the salvia, but not a high dose.




Completely different


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Re: Heroic Doses [Re: bholzer]
    #14368887 - 04/28/11 07:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

each have their own dimension. Mushrooms feel safest in my opinion.


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Re: Heroic Doses [Re: bholzer]
    #14368959 - 04/28/11 07:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Could high doses of mush or LSD be compared to a salvia trip for intensity? Perhaps a different kind of intensity? I've done the salvia, but not a high dose.




Completely different




:awesome: Hoped you'd say that. It'd be too bad to have experienced everything psychedelics have to offer with only a single rip.


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Re: Heroic Doses [Re: Nightingale]
    #14368998 - 04/28/11 07:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Could high doses of mush or LSD be compared to a salvia trip for intensity? Perhaps a different kind of intensity? I've done the salvia, but not a high dose.




Completely different




:awesome: Hoped you'd say that. It'd be too bad to have experienced everything psychedelics have to offer with only a single rip.




Yea, salvia can definitely be intense, but not in a fun way, IMO. You'll see a much more euphoric experience with almost all other psychedelics.


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Re: Heroic Doses [Re: bholzer]
    #14369009 - 04/28/11 07:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Just know never to go into public places on high doses of mushrooms. 

I have made this mistake multiple times, and although I don't regret it, I certainly won't do it again.

Even an art museum, no matter how appealing at first, is a bad idea.


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Re: Heroic Doses [Re: bholzer]
    #14369179 - 04/28/11 08:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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bholzer said:
There is definitely a cross tolerance, but I'm not entirely sure how strongly one drug affects the tolerance to another.




hmm this may be true what makes you think this arent they pretty different chemical structures? such as lsd=ergotamine(i believe is the main thing) and shrooms=phylosibin? i realize i spelled those wrong




They are, but they still affect the same receptors in the brain. This can cause the cross-tolerance.

And ergotamine isn't the active chemical, it's a precursor to LSD. LSD's active chemical is lysergic acid diethylamide.



ok ya i guess i didnt think about that im sure your right.


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Re: Heroic Doses [Re: bholzer]
    #14369255 - 04/28/11 08:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Nightingale said:
Could high doses of mush or LSD be compared to a salvia trip for intensity? Perhaps a different kind of intensity? I've done the salvia, but not a high dose.




Completely different




:awesome: Hoped you'd say that. It'd be too bad to have experienced everything psychedelics have to offer with only a single rip.




Yea, salvia can definitely be intense, but not in a fun way, IMO. You'll see a much more euphoric experience with almost all other psychedelics.




Good to know. I didn't think salvia was "fun", but definately inspiring. I found though that it was the uncomfortable portion (all of it) that made it so good in the end.


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Re: Heroic Doses [Re: Nightingale]
    #14369277 - 04/28/11 08:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Good to know. I didn't think salvia was "fun", but definately inspiring. I found though that it was the uncomfortable portion (all of it) that made it so good in the end.




That's how I feel about ayahuasca. It can be fun in low doses, but higher range can be really difficult, but afterward always ends up inspiring. I hate how difficult aya can be, but I LOVE the way I feel after. It's such a humbling experience.


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Re: Heroic Doses [Re: bholzer]
    #14369347 - 04/28/11 08:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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That's how I feel about ayahuasca. It can be fun in low doses, but higher range can be really difficult, but afterward always ends up inspiring. I hate how difficult aya can be, but I LOVE the way I feel after. It's such a humbling experience.




I've been thinking a little while about expanding my horizons into shamanistic ritual intoxicants. I finished reading a book a few days ago about an anthropologist's happenings with a tribe in the amazon, and it's got me all buzzed about ayahuasca. Don't know when I'm going to find any, though, so zooms will certainly be adequate in the mean time.


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Re: Heroic Doses [Re: Nightingale]
    #14369391 - 04/28/11 08:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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bholzer said:

That's how I feel about ayahuasca. It can be fun in low doses, but higher range can be really difficult, but afterward always ends up inspiring. I hate how difficult aya can be, but I LOVE the way I feel after. It's such a humbling experience.




I've been thinking a little while about expanding my horizons into shamanistic ritual intoxicants. I finished reading a book a few days ago about an anthropologist's happenings with a tribe in the amazon, and it's got me all buzzed about ayahuasca. Don't know when I'm going to find any, though, so zooms will certainly be adequate in the mean time.




You really can't go wrong with making your own with some mimosa and rue.


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Re: Heroic Doses [Re: bholzer]
    #14369583 - 04/28/11 09:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Reading all of these threads makes me really excited to do a heroic dose. So far I've only gone as far as 3-4g, but I'm going to plan a level 5 experience for myself.


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