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Re: We ARE insignificant. [Re: mongo lloyd]
    #14373351 - 04/29/11 03:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I think all our actions and our very existence is extremely significant, We are the only lifeforms within a few million lightyear radius that we are aware of. The very existence of life on this planet, anywhere in the lifeless universe is a inconceivable reality. I think that alone makes us more then significant. What the philosophical leaders of the past say, makes no difference in my opinion.



What he said. I swear there have been loads of thread recently saying that we're totally insignificant. Life is the MOST significant thing to ever happen to our universe, I believe. It's like, despite how beautiful the universe is, our accomplishments are far greater. Yeah, nebulae are beautiful, but look at the fuckin INTERNET! A CD player! A PENCIL! Mankind have done some incredible things. Look at how incredibly complex our brains our, they are the magnum opus of this universe. Doesn't get any more significant than that.



Life isn't the most significant thing to ever happen to our universe, its the most significant thing to ever happen for us. So is the internet, cd players or pencils. We are not significant to the universe or existence, we are only significant to ourselves. The universe isn't a conscious being that may give a damn about our existence compared to any other thing, we are equals to an atom and there is no point on trying to convince ourselves to any other thing.



So what greater achievement has occured within this universe? So we are equal to atoms are we? Do atoms think? Do atoms experience emotions? Life is the universe made conscious. What I believe to be the pinnacle of existence. Just because life is transitory, that doesn't lessen it's wonder and greatness.




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conscious beings are the method through which the universe experiences itself. we are the greatest product of the universe in terms of complexity and capability we are unrivaled by any other non-living thing or object out there, and that is right fuckin significant more-so then anything else out there. Regardless of weather or not a non-conscious thing such as the universe agree's. God damn Nihilists.

EDIT: Im not talking about us alone Im talking about the existence of sentient life itself. The odds against its existence are immeasurable.


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Re: We ARE insignificant. [Re: Enjoywho]
    #14373357 - 04/29/11 03:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Pale Blue Dot, by Carl Sagan.

AbSOLUTELY AMAZING! go to your library and rent it, the one with all of the pictures. I was like a litter girl reading a princess book, laying on my bed, knees curled up, glued to every page. The pic's will blow your mind man.

its a 400 page book i finished in just over 3 days, just got back from the library with his other books "A demon haunted world- Science as a candle in the dark , and Billions and Billion both are amazing so far. :awesome:


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Re: We ARE insignificant. [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14373362 - 04/29/11 03:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The Cosmos television series is also excellent. :thumbup:


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Re: We ARE insignificant. [Re: ROFL_my_ WAFFLE]
    #14373376 - 04/29/11 03:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

There's a new show coming out this weekend about other dimensions and mad physics shit. But the best bit is that it's narrated by none other than.... Morgan fucking Freeman.


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Re: We ARE insignificant. [Re: mongo lloyd]
    #14373397 - 04/29/11 03:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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There's a new show coming out this weekend about other dimensions and mad physics shit. But the best bit is that it's narrated by none other than.... Morgan fucking Freeman.




:highfive: dude he is an awesome fucking narrator! will watch. Wonders of the universe was awesome..


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Re: We ARE insignificant. [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14373418 - 04/29/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Headin to the library now


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Re: We ARE insignificant. [Re: Enjoywho]
    #14373463 - 04/29/11 04:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

in case you guys havnt seen these yet, awesome science song! seriously this song gets stuck in my head so easily :highfive:


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Re: We ARE insignificant. [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14373509 - 04/29/11 04:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Noooooo its already been checkes out :,(


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Re: We ARE insignificant. [Re: Enjoywho]
    #14373511 - 04/29/11 04:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

get demon haunted world, trust me sooo good :awesome:


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Re: We ARE insignificant. [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14373516 - 04/29/11 04:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

or if you really want to try and push your concept of reality get The Grand Design by Steven Hawking, there's no math in it but you're gunna have to read the chapters over and over. Its super fun though, not too long page wise.


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Re: We ARE insignificant. [Re: Enjoywho]
    #14373535 - 04/29/11 04:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Nvm said in there list it was checked out thought id look and it was there! :feelsgoodman:


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Re: We ARE insignificant. [Re: Enjoywho]
    #14373546 - 04/29/11 04:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:highfive:

I wish I could read that book for the first time again lol

have fun buddy


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Re: We ARE insignificant. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14382710 - 05/01/11 01:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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So what greater achievement has occured within this universe? So we are equal to atoms are we? Do atoms think? Do atoms experience emotions? Life is the universe made conscious. What I believe to be the pinnacle of existence. Just because life is transitory, that doesn't lessen it's wonder and greatness.




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conscious beings are the method through which the universe experiences itself. we are the greatest product of the universe in terms of complexity and capability we are unrivaled by any other non-living thing or object out there, and that is right fuckin significant more-so then anything else out there. Regardless of weather or not a non-conscious thing such as the universe agree's. God damn Nihilists.

EDIT: Im not talking about us alone Im talking about the existence of sentient life itself. The odds against its existence are immeasurable.




Why would you say "god damn nihilists"? I'm not saying it isn't an amazing thing I'm just pointing out that it is us who give importance to our existence. If that offends your ego in some way it is only because of your own way of percieving the world, but you are not taking into account vastness of everything that exists.

This world is just a spark in a vast sea of sparks in which everything is infinetly complex and astounding, so I keep my position, we are not significant, we just are.


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Re: We ARE insignificant. [Re: Horsewithnoname]
    #14383459 - 05/01/11 04:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

This has nothing to do with ego and everything to do with the near infinite odds against the existence of life. Your perceived superiority over my stance with this psychoanalytical bullshit your pushin about ego is laughable­. The infinite vastness of the universe only reinforces my thoughts on life being extremely significant, there are a trillion suns, a innumerable number of planets but there exists only one Deoxyribonucleic acid blueprint for a human, only one for a praying mantis or a birch tree. The fleeting moment that they exist for, and its fragility makes it even more precious. Cosmological process`s are astounding in there complexity but it is only the innate action of atoms. The intricacy of a mammal`s proteins, genes, cells, and the consciousness that arises out of it is mindnumbing to contemplate. Thats what makes me hold onto a belief in its intrinsic significance over all other things.


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Re: We ARE insignificant. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14383917 - 05/01/11 05:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

exactly. We are significant, more significant than any religious doctrine could ever make us out to be. This is why people need more science, religion sells humans short.


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Re: We ARE insignificant. [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14383964 - 05/01/11 05:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: We ARE insignificant. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14384375 - 05/01/11 07:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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This has nothing to do with ego and everything to do with the near infinite odds against the existence of life. Your perceived superiority over my stance with this psychoanalytical bullshit your pushin about ego is laughable­. The infinite vastness of the universe only reinforces my thoughts on life being extremely significant, there are a trillion suns, a innumerable number of planets but there exists only one Deoxyribonucleic acid blueprint for a human, only one for a praying mantis or a birch tree. The fleeting moment that they exist for, and its fragility makes it even more precious. Cosmological process`s are astounding in there complexity but it is only the innate action of atoms. The intricacy of a mammal`s proteins, genes, cells, and the consciousness that arises out of it is mindnumbing to contemplate. Thats what makes me hold onto a belief in its intrinsic significance over all other things.




Wow, the mere idea of losing your significance really seems to get to you, it makes you look like one of those strict religious guys defending his religion.

Your point on life being significant is about it being an event with a really low probability of having happened and that seems to make it more amazing than anything else. What I am trying to say is that existence itself as a whole is impressive, the fact that life could be created out of nowhere is what strikes to me as important. We are just one case in the whole universe, we are not significant beings more than anything else because there is no deep reason for our existence, we just happened to ocurr by mere chance but even as amazing and improbable this is we are no bigger than anything else, the lifespan f life on Earth has its limit and it is a very small amount of time. But this is not necesarilly a bad thing, I believe this a humbling fact that can help one live a happier life by not giving much importance to one's self and really enjoy the gift that we have out of mere chance, we don't have a better option than enjoy and take advantage of what we can.


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Re: We ARE insignificant. [Re: Horsewithnoname]
    #14385012 - 05/01/11 08:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

U mad bro?


Your a nihilist. You actually believe that existence in itself is unimpressive?  You cannot say there isnt a meaning behind our existence and it was a purely chance anymore then anyone can say there is and it was all planned. Im not saying us alone hold significance over all other things, all forms of life throughout the universe hold more intrinsic value then anything else out there.


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Re: We ARE insignificant. [Re: 28064212]
    #14385365 - 05/01/11 09:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You are right, in the grand scheme, we are absolutely insignificant. Tho that might change as technology develops.

but I like to view it as relative, because how else can we when it comes to our own experience? To a rat, we're extremely significant. To an ant, a rat is extremely significant. To a flea, an ant is extremely significant. To a red blood cell, a flea is extremely significant. To an Oxygen molecule, a red blood cell is extremely significant and so on so forth.

To me, humans are significant, because they can dramatically affect my wellbeing, which is also significant to me because of the significance evolution and my conditioning has placed on it

I guess it all depends on your definition of significant lol, does how much energy or mass something possesses determine its significance? Or does everything have things that are insignificant to it and things that are significant to it.

I do find it funny though the egocentricity of the people that I know, they know that the universe is out there, this universe full of things completely unaffected by their existance (and everyone on earths). But they don't really know, they can't get their mind out of this bubble they live in


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Re: We ARE insignificant. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14385440 - 05/01/11 09:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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This has nothing to do with ego and everything to do with the near infinite odds against the existence of life. Your perceived superiority over my stance with this psychoanalytical bullshit your pushin about ego is laughable­. The infinite vastness of the universe only reinforces my thoughts on life being extremely significant, there are a trillion suns, a innumerable number of planets but there exists only one Deoxyribonucleic acid blueprint for a human, only one for a praying mantis or a birch tree. The fleeting moment that they exist for, and its fragility makes it even more precious. Cosmological process`s are astounding in there complexity but it is only the innate action of atoms. The intricacy of a mammal`s proteins, genes, cells, and the consciousness that arises out of it is mindnumbing to contemplate. Thats what makes me hold onto a belief in its intrinsic significance over all other things.




bad way to argue our significance. check this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_principle


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