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chemicals to benifit cakes
    #1436542 - 04/07/03 04:53 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

:grin: I am useing the straw in the center of my cakes to deliver water, and this seems to be working fine... I was just wondering if anyone has tryed mixing anything with the water that may benifit the cakes in any way? 


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Re: chemicals to benifit cakes [Re: Asmbandits]
    #1436732 - 04/07/03 06:22 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

i heard dextrose works. You can get it at brewery-supply store from what i heard or order it online

you could try sterile honey water

peptone would work too, probably

good luck with it


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Re: chemicals to benifit cakes [Re: Dim]
    #1436746 - 04/07/03 06:27 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

do you think sterile sugar water would work?


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Re: chemicals to benifit cakes [Re: Asmbandits]
    #1436808 - 04/07/03 06:46 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

no, don't use normal table sugar.
go out to the store and pick up a bottle of corn syrup. this contains mostly dextrose. use a very dilute amount, and i would suggest also adding hydrogen peroxide if you start using a nutrient medium.


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Re: chemicals to benifit cakes [Re: the spiral]
    #1436832 - 04/07/03 06:53 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

well, i just whipped up a honey/water syringe, about 1/2 teaspoon to about 2/3 cup water it was... im gonna give it a try in a little bit, if no one says otherwise....


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Re: chemicals to benifit cakes [Re: Asmbandits]
    #1436950 - 04/07/03 07:35 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

simply be aware that exposed HW is practically guaranteed contamination. IMO your better off trying to inject the supplement. also, it seems i have read that adding honey to the substrate can actually decrease yield and potency. I am certain that it will make the mycelium more tomentose (opposite of rhizomorphic). I think simply adding water is better than adding supplemneted water (sugars that is)


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Re: chemicals to benifit cakes [Re: debianlinux]
    #1436983 - 04/07/03 07:44 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

how would it contaminate the mycelium if it has been sterilized?


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Re: chemicals to benifit cakes [Re: Asmbandits]
    #1436991 - 04/07/03 07:46 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

im confused? some of you say it will work, and u say it wont...? hummm.......


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Re: chemicals to benifit cakes [Re: Asmbandits]
    #1437011 - 04/07/03 07:50 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

you are talking about water with simple sugars in it right? one itty bitty trich/cobweb/you name it spore land on that sugar water and it is going to start multiplying like a freaking madman. i'm not saying that it WILL contam I"m saying that the probability of it contaming goes up EXPONENTIALLY.


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Re: chemicals to benifit cakes [Re: debianlinux]
    #1437399 - 04/07/03 09:59 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

thats why i said to add hydrogen peroxide to it. that might virtually eliminate the problem of contamination. it doesn't answer the question of if it helps fruiting or not, however.


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Re: chemicals to benifit cakes [Re: the spiral]
    #1437424 - 04/07/03 10:09 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

i was replying to asmbandits: "how would it contaminate the mycelium if it has been sterilized?" which i assumed to mean, "how is HW going to contaminate when i have PC'd it?"
or maybe you are replying to asmbandit but used quick-reply?

I am high and i think i am confused. :smile:


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Re: chemicals to benifit cakes [Re: debianlinux]
    #1451059 - 04/11/03 11:22 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

go out to the store and pick up a bottle of corn syrup. this contains mostly dextrose




I thought that the main ingredient in corn syrup was fructose, and not dextrose.


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Re: chemicals to benifit cakes [Re: fleshofgods]
    #1451687 - 04/11/03 08:47 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

it's true that they do often use what is called "High Fructose Corn Syrup", but if you check the ingredients I believe it still contains about 40% dextrose, and only about 17% fructose.

Maybe someone can quote more accurate numbers here, i could be way off.


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Re: chemicals to benifit cakes [Re: the spiral]
    #1451691 - 04/11/03 08:50 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

debian - i was replying to your post about a trich spore landing in his honey water by saying that he should be adding peroxide to his honey water to prevent just that.


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Re: chemicals to benifit cakes [Re: the spiral]
    #1452090 - 04/12/03 12:21 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

i am no longer high and now no longer confused. hehe.


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Re: chemicals to benifit cakes [Re: the spiral]
    #1452391 - 04/12/03 02:20 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

82% SOLIDS
14% fructose
43% dextrose
31% disaccharides
12% other


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Re: chemicals to benifit cakes [Re: fleshofgods]
    #1454060 - 04/13/03 03:02 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I would suggest not adding anything but water until after the first flush. I have found that a few drops of molasses (straight from the bottle) dribbled on top of a cake work nicely to produce a good second crop and keep it going. The cake just sucks it up and blooms. Bacteria can not grow on straight molasses and trich can only grow slowly if at all but shrooms have an extensive mycelial network that lets them adsorb sugars from one location and moisture from another so let the cake do the diluting. Corn syrup may be better than molasses but molasses is dark colored so you can see where it is and when it has been adsorbed. The added sugars encourage molds like trich but, if you see any mold at all, it is time to cut back on the moisture and let the surface of the cake go dry- very dry if necessary. Molds can not survive a drought. Unlike shrooms their "roots" are too short. H2O2 is useless against trich. Trich drinks it for breakfast and thrives on the added moisture. When the mold is completely gone, you can start misting the cake again.


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