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Re: Longest lived human being? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14464422 - 05/16/11 08:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
It is just a variation of the 'True Scotsman Fallacy'. OC was a yoga practitioner, but not a 'true' one.




but you really aren't a true scotsman! Sometimes, there is such thing.

If you pick up a guitar and learn a few chords, that doesn't qualify you to denounce all material and spiritual benefits of guitar playing. You aren't a "true" guitar master.


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Re: Longest lived human being? [Re: g00ru]
    #14469540 - 05/17/11 07:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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guruu said:
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OrgoneConclusion said:
It is just a variation of the 'True Scotsman Fallacy'. OC was a yoga practitioner, but not a 'true' one.




but you really aren't a true scotsman! Sometimes, there is such thing.





The problem with a no true scotsman fallacy is post hoc alterations to the relevant criteria used in an argument which either equivocate or conflate two seperate criteria by hiding behind the same term or similar criterion (scotsman).

The point is not that there is no such thing as a scotsman or that there is nobody who cannot be said to be a scotsman but that such objections are irrelevant unless the cireteria used were granted a priori.

Here, nothing shows that the Orgone was not a meditator or yogi or whatever that I can see.

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If you pick up a guitar and learn a few chords, that doesn't qualify you to denounce all material and spiritual benefits of guitar playing. You aren't a "true" guitar master.





The particular criteria isn't relevant, only the  consistancy of it and the caution not to equivocate or hid behind confusing terminology.


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Re: Longest lived human being? [Re: johnm214]
    #14474410 - 05/18/11 05:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"I (or he) practiced Yoga for 10 years and failed in that practice therefore Yoga is false." Very interesting assertion.

"Blah blah says this, I have no experience with what he is saying but it goes against what I was raised to be - so it must be false."



Man cannot understand something greater than himself, just as a cup cannot encompass the ocean. All this logical wrestling is not going to make any difference, someone is still dusting your coffins and if you really do not believe in the possiblity of spirituality (in whatever form) then stop wasting your time and do something.
"16,000" posts, what a waste of time.


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Re: Longest lived human being? [Re: ahchela]
    #14474473 - 05/18/11 05:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

There was no pass/fail for me or any other practitioner.

There was no observable evidence of any extraordinary abilities in myself nor in any of the 350 members who dedicated their lives to such at the community where I studied.


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Re: Longest lived human being? [Re: ahchela]
    #14476811 - 05/19/11 03:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

ahchela said:
"I (or he) practiced Yoga for 10 years and failed in that practice therefore Yoga is false." Very interesting assertion.

"Blah blah says this, I have no experience with what he is saying but it goes against what I was raised to be - so it must be false."



Man cannot understand something greater than himself, just as a cup cannot encompass the ocean. All this logical wrestling is not going to make any difference, someone is still dusting your coffins and if you really do not believe in the possiblity of spirituality (in whatever form) then stop wasting your time and do something.
"16,000" posts, what a waste of time.





Your bare claims on this and personal preferences i not helpful, consider this a warning.

Stop discussing posters here critically and restrain yourself to conversations on what they've posted.

Finally, please justify the relevance of your criticism.  I don't recall anyone suggesting what you've criticized, and so it seems like it may just be a straw man argument of no relevance. 

i.e.:

"Blah blah says this, I have no experience with what he is saying but it goes against what I was raised to be - so it must be false."

and 

""I (or he) practiced Yoga for 10 years and failed in that practice therefore Yoga is false."

Is there any relevance to this at all or is it just a dishonest argument?


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Re: Longest lived human being? [Re: johnm214]
    #14476844 - 05/19/11 03:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

<400 posts = great way to spend time.

>400 posts = stupendous waste of time.

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Re: Longest lived human being? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14477113 - 05/19/11 06:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
There was no pass/fail for me or any other practitioner.

There was no observable evidence of any extraordinary abilities in myself nor in any of the 350 members who dedicated their lives to such at the community where I studied.




Mediocre abilities? Above average abilities?

10 years is a long time to be devoted to a practice.

Some criteria must have adhered you to the practice.


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Re: Longest lived human being? [Re: johnm214]
    #14479332 - 05/19/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

johnm214 said:
Quote:

ahchela said:
"I (or he) practiced Yoga for 10 years and failed in that practice therefore Yoga is false." Very interesting assertion.

"Blah blah says this, I have no experience with what he is saying but it goes against what I was raised to be - so it must be false."



Man cannot understand something greater than himself, just as a cup cannot encompass the ocean. All this logical wrestling is not going to make any difference, someone is still dusting your coffins and if you really do not believe in the possiblity of spirituality (in whatever form) then stop wasting your time and do something.
"16,000" posts, what a waste of time.





Your bare claims on this and personal preferences i not helpful, consider this a warning.

Stop discussing posters here critically and restrain yourself to conversations on what they've posted.

Finally, please justify the relevance of your criticism.  I don't recall anyone suggesting what you've criticized, and so it seems like it may just be a straw man argument of no relevance. 

i.e.:

"Blah blah says this, I have no experience with what he is saying but it goes against what I was raised to be - so it must be false."

and 

""I (or he) practiced Yoga for 10 years and failed in that practice therefore Yoga is false."

Is there any relevance to this at all or is it just a dishonest argument?




Go fuck yourself tool = personalism directed at you.


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Re: Longest lived human being? [Re: ahchela]
    #14479961 - 05/19/11 05:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

ahchela said:
Quote:

johnm214 said:
Quote:

ahchela said:
"I (or he) practiced Yoga for 10 years and failed in that practice therefore Yoga is false." Very interesting assertion.

"Blah blah says this, I have no experience with what he is saying but it goes against what I was raised to be - so it must be false."



Man cannot understand something greater than himself, just as a cup cannot encompass the ocean. All this logical wrestling is not going to make any difference, someone is still dusting your coffins and if you really do not believe in the possiblity of spirituality (in whatever form) then stop wasting your time and do something.
"16,000" posts, what a waste of time.





Your bare claims on this and personal preferences i not helpful, consider this a warning.

Stop discussing posters here critically and restrain yourself to conversations on what they've posted.

Finally, please justify the relevance of your criticism.  I don't recall anyone suggesting what you've criticized, and so it seems like it may just be a straw man argument of no relevance. 

i.e.:

"Blah blah says this, I have no experience with what he is saying but it goes against what I was raised to be - so it must be false."

and 

""I (or he) practiced Yoga for 10 years and failed in that practice therefore Yoga is false."

Is there any relevance to this at all or is it just a dishonest argument?




Go fuck yourself tool = personalism directed at you.



Angry yogurt devotees are a bit outre, neh?

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Re: Longest lived human being? [Re: ahchela]
    #14480116 - 05/19/11 06:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

ahchela said:
Quote:

johnm214 said:
Quote:

ahchela said:
"I (or he) practiced Yoga for 10 years and failed in that practice therefore Yoga is false." Very interesting assertion.

"Blah blah says this, I have no experience with what he is saying but it goes against what I was raised to be - so it must be false."



Man cannot understand something greater than himself, just as a cup cannot encompass the ocean. All this logical wrestling is not going to make any difference, someone is still dusting your coffins and if you really do not believe in the possiblity of spirituality (in whatever form) then stop wasting your time and do something.
"16,000" posts, what a waste of time.





Your bare claims on this and personal preferences i not helpful, consider this a warning.

Stop discussing posters here critically and restrain yourself to conversations on what they've posted.

Finally, please justify the relevance of your criticism.  I don't recall anyone suggesting what you've criticized, and so it seems like it may just be a straw man argument of no relevance. 

i.e.:

"Blah blah says this, I have no experience with what he is saying but it goes against what I was raised to be - so it must be false."

and 

""I (or he) practiced Yoga for 10 years and failed in that practice therefore Yoga is false."

Is there any relevance to this at all or is it just a dishonest argument?




Go fuck yourself tool = personalism directed at you.



Quote:

ahchela said:
Quote:

johnm214 said:
Quote:

ahchela said:
"I (or he) practiced Yoga for 10 years and failed in that practice therefore Yoga is false." Very interesting assertion.

"Blah blah says this, I have no experience with what he is saying but it goes against what I was raised to be - so it must be false."



Man cannot understand something greater than himself, just as a cup cannot encompass the ocean. All this logical wrestling is not going to make any difference, someone is still dusting your coffins and if you really do not believe in the possiblity of spirituality (in whatever form) then stop wasting your time and do something.
"16,000" posts, what a waste of time.





Your bare claims on this and personal preferences i not helpful, consider this a warning.

Stop discussing posters here critically and restrain yourself to conversations on what they've posted.

Finally, please justify the relevance of your criticism.  I don't recall anyone suggesting what you've criticized, and so it seems like it may just be a straw man argument of no relevance. 

i.e.:

"Blah blah says this, I have no experience with what he is saying but it goes against what I was raised to be - so it must be false."

and 

""I (or he) practiced Yoga for 10 years and failed in that practice therefore Yoga is false."

Is there any relevance to this at all or is it just a dishonest argument?




Go fuck yourself tool = personalism directed at you.




Hi ahchela.

As I stated in my previous warning, insulting commentary directed at forum members, especially namecalling, is generally prohibited by forum rules.  This forum is for debate of philosophical ideas, if you're uncomfortable with scrutinizing ideas and having other scrutinize yours, it might be better to go somewhere else- zappa makes a good suggestion.

If you decide to participate in good faith in the future, please consider trying to focus on the ideas discussed rather than individuals discussing them- generally the later is not relevant and criticism of the former won't get you into trouble.


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