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can you really lose your mind tripping? 1
#14365080 - 04/28/11 03:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i always see people on this site saying they are either scared or dont trust themselves enough to just let go while on a shroom or acid trip. well i have done both tons of times and been pretty far deep down into the trip. even sometimes thought i`d never go back to normal. but of course ALWAYS have come back to normal. so is there really a big enough dose to LOSE your mind completely and never return to normal state? never return to being yourself?
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: S14sliding]
#14365089 - 04/28/11 03:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I dunno man. I've dosed pretty high on shrooms and always come back to reality... I don't think you could lose your mind, as in, develop schizophrenia, but I could see it causing PTSD, panic attacks, nightmares or other mental problems.
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: S14sliding]
#14365142 - 04/28/11 03:55 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've got two answers.
One is yes, temporarily. Psychedelics can put you into a state that some might call psychotic, even after the trip has ended but this doesn't last long. I think the most dramatic example of this is what happened to Dennis McKenna.
The second answer is yes, but not after a single trip. People have gone psychotic after using psychedelics habitually, which caused latent psychological disorders to manisfest, which results in, as Terence McKenna would have said, "Your behaviour becoming so unusual that they eventually end up having to throw a net over you."
Both of the McKenna brothers mentioned, do I win a prize?
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14365149 - 04/28/11 04:06 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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PTSD as in post traumatic stress disorder? and i have no idea what happened to Dennis McKenna i just did a search and found nothing maybe you could enlighten me....
and i dont see the reason for people that trip all the time (the habitual tripper i guess u can ssy) i trip once have a really good time and dont even feel like tripping for awhile. i feel like tripping all the time takes away from the fun and then it ends up getting boring like anything else you would do all the time.
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: S14sliding]
#14365197 - 04/28/11 04:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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S14sliding said: PTSD as in post traumatic stress disorder? and i have no idea what happened to Dennis McKenna i just did a search and found nothing maybe you could enlighten me....
and i dont see the reason for people that trip all the time (the habitual tripper i guess u can ssy) i trip once have a really good time and dont even feel like tripping for awhile. i feel like tripping all the time takes away from the fun and then it ends up getting boring like anything else you would do all the time.
Yeah, pretty much any event that causes enough trauma can give you PTSD from what I've read. Rape, battle fatigue, car accidents...hell you name it.
I'm guessing that's gotta be one intense trip, though, or you've got a predilection for it. Usually, in the back of my mind, I always know I'm going to come down eventually.
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: S14sliding]
#14365239 - 04/28/11 05:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I reckon most people go insane from clinging on or a latent mental problem that gets exasperated - but its its easy to say let go than to actually do it.
I've had trips so intense I was convinced I was dying and had to surrender to death / a higher being.
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: nice1]
#14365296 - 04/28/11 05:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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well i`ve never had trips thinking i was dying my best friend has. i`ve only had trips where i thought mind would stop and i`d stay tripping forever lol (those trips were my first times tripping) now i always know that i`ll come back down eventually no matter what. and now i love playing with time while im tripping and being in control of my visuals its really so much fun now compared to when your learning about the experience the first couple times
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: S14sliding]
#14365373 - 04/28/11 06:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes
ever met people that just stare for hours to the sky then when you ask them what's up they suddenly come back to reality and are like huh, what happened? (literally hours, without moving)
Or vocabulary that doesn't make sense
just insane people in general. i've met a few that had lsd-induced callitwhatevercraziness
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: S14sliding]
#14365375 - 04/28/11 06:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well shrooms can make you teh gay.
Psychedelics won't make you lose your mind. However in some cases it will bring out earlier psychosis. But that doesn't mean you would not have gotten it if you had not taken psychedelics. It just shows itself earlier.
But then is psychosis really a mental illness? Who knows.
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: S14sliding]
#14365445 - 04/28/11 07:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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no
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: Set]
#14365470 - 04/28/11 07:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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with LSD a study showed that huge doses for four weeks every day caused 0.03% to loose ther mind, out of whom some recovered partally.
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
#14367100 - 04/28/11 01:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've had trips so intense I was convinced I was dying and had to surrender to death / a higher being.
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tymoteusz3 said:
Well shrooms can make you teh gay.
Psychedelics won't make you lose your mind. However in some cases it will bring out earlier psychosis. But that doesn't mean you would not have gotten it if you had not taken psychedelics. It just shows itself earlier.
But then is psychosis really a mental illness? Who knows.

shrooms make you gay?? hmm i highly doubt it maybe shrooms just have people that ARE ALRESDY gay come out the closet but i doubt that a str8 guy with a girlfriend one night of tripping all of a sudden turns gay
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: S14sliding]
#14367125 - 04/28/11 02:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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maybe someone else, but ive been wayyyyyyyyyyy out there and i always come back. so i have no reason to believe i will ever go crazy due to a powerful trip.
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: S14sliding]
#14367127 - 04/28/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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shrooms make you gay?? hmm i highly doubt it maybe shrooms just have people that ARE ALRESDY gay come out the closet but i doubt that a str8 guy with a girlfriend one night of tripping all of a sudden turns gay
It's scientifically proven.
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14367206 - 04/28/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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shrooms make you gay?? hmm i highly doubt it maybe shrooms just have people that ARE ALRESDY gay come out the closet but i doubt that a str8 guy with a girlfriend one night of tripping all of a sudden turns gay
It's scientifically proven.
lol wow people really..come on now
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: S14sliding]
#14367293 - 04/28/11 02:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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shrooms make you gay?? hmm i highly doubt it maybe shrooms just have people that ARE ALRESDY gay come out the closet but i doubt that a str8 guy with a girlfriend one night of tripping all of a sudden turns gay
It's scientifically proven.
lol wow people really..come on now
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7339047/fpart/1/vc/1
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3193930/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1
Need more proof?
If you trip around a guy your gonna be by the end of the night and your gonna love it
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
#14367356 - 04/28/11 02:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's a well known fact that shrooms make you want to eat dick.
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
#14367365 - 04/28/11 02:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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shrooms make you gay?? hmm i highly doubt it maybe shrooms just have people that ARE ALRESDY gay come out the closet but i doubt that a str8 guy with a girlfriend one night of tripping all of a sudden turns gay
It's scientifically proven.
lol wow people really..come on now
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7339047/fpart/1/vc/1
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3193930/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1
Need more proof?
If you trip around a guy your gonna be by the end of the night and your gonna love it 
maybe the people that are actually gay and have not addmited to themselevs while they are sober adn while tripping they accept it (since the ego does tend to not be so important while tripping) but thats the last thing i`ll say about the gay topic lets get back to the original topic! =)
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
#14367369 - 04/28/11 02:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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shrooms make you gay?? hmm i highly doubt it maybe shrooms just have people that ARE ALRESDY gay come out the closet but i doubt that a str8 guy with a girlfriend one night of tripping all of a sudden turns gay
It's scientifically proven.
lol wow people really..come on now
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7339047/fpart/1/vc/1
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3193930/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1
Need more proof?
If you trip around a guy your gonna be by the end of the night and your gonna love it 
Besides mushrooms basically look like dicks. what more proof do you need.
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: skatealex2]
#14367379 - 04/28/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Use the search engine and look for "shrooms make you gay."
It's well documented. A lot of buttholes have been devirginized.
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: skatealex2]
#14367416 - 04/28/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Besides mushrooms basically look like dicks. what more proof do you need. 
Yup you go from taking dick shaped mushrooms to sucking dick all in a few hours.
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maybe the people that are actually gay and have not addmited to themselevs while they are sober adn while tripping they accept it (since the ego does tend to not be so important while tripping) but thats the last thing i`ll say about the gay topic
Nope. 100% straight heterosexual males. Its scientifically proven. You got to keep with the times man. Science is always changing. Sure a few years ago they just suspected they made you gay. But now they know for sure
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
#14367453 - 04/28/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Shrooms will prove to you that you are at least a certain percentage gay. Everyone is, it's science.
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
#14367503 - 04/28/11 03:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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now im starting to think that the people that believe this and saying that shrooms makes you gay on this thread are just are homos lol and feel so bad for themselves for being gay and that it took mushrooms to make you realise your gay your hoping its not just you that its everyone well sorry to tell you but only gays are gay drugs cant make someone gay if so LSD weed and X make people gay therefore all of america would be gay but like i said lets get off the fag topic if your gay and are too ashamed to believe you were gay before shrooms you just feel bad inside about being gay and BLAME a drug for being that way lol those people live sad sad lives in my opinion
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: S14sliding]
#14367532 - 04/28/11 03:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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S14sliding said: now im starting to think that the people that believe this and saying that shrooms makes you gay on this thread are just are homos lol and feel so bad for themselves for being gay and that it took mushrooms to make you realise your gay your hoping its not just you that its everyone well sorry to tell you but only gays are gay drugs cant make someone gay if so LSD weed and X make people gay therefore all of america would be gay but like i said lets get off the fag topic if your gay and are too ashamed to believe you were gay before shrooms you just feel bad inside about being gay and BLAME a drug for being that way lol those people live sad sad lives in my opinion
Someones trying to deny teh gay :p Embrace it brother. Do those shrooms.
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: S14sliding]
#14367538 - 04/28/11 03:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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S14sliding said: now im starting to think that the people that believe this and saying that shrooms makes you gay on this thread are just are homos lol and feel so bad for themselves for being gay and that it took mushrooms to make you realise your gay your hoping its not just you that its everyone well sorry to tell you but only gays are gay drugs cant make someone gay if so LSD weed and X make people gay therefore all of america would be gay but like i said lets get off the fag topic if your gay and are too ashamed to believe you were gay before shrooms you just feel bad inside about being gay and BLAME a drug for being that way lol those people live sad sad lives in my opinion
i think your troll-o-meter is off.
mine might be off too.
im not really sure. it could be a little of both.
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S14sliding said: now im starting to think that the people that believe this and saying that shrooms makes you gay on this thread are just are homos lol and feel so bad for themselves for being gay and that it took mushrooms to make you realise your gay your hoping its not just you that its everyone well sorry to tell you but only gays are gay drugs cant make someone gay if so LSD weed and X make people gay therefore all of america would be gay but like i said lets get off the fag topic if your gay and are too ashamed to believe you were gay before shrooms you just feel bad inside about being gay and BLAME a drug for being that way lol those people live sad sad lives in my opinion
i think your troll-o-meter is off.
mine might be off too.
im not really sure. it could be a little of both.
Yeah pretty much

Its an awesome joke tho
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
#14367616 - 04/28/11 03:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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ok if yo werent being serious about it well good cause damn that was the stupidest thing i ever heard somebody say
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: S14sliding]
#14367653 - 04/28/11 03:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've felt like a nutcase on some bad trips.
Once when i saw a cop pull up to my friend's work 2 hrs into the trip and i locked myself in the bathroom thinking i was going to end up in a straight jacket.
Another time i thought all the times i had been smoking weed with one of my best friends we were actually smoking meth and he knew the whole time, i was about to kick his ass.
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: S14sliding]
#14367748 - 04/28/11 03:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Of course.
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: twighead]
#14367874 - 04/28/11 04:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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you were smoking meth thinking its weed was the weed laced with meth thats why you had no idea?
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: S14sliding]
#14367876 - 04/28/11 04:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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S14sliding said: now im starting to think that the people that believe this and saying that shrooms makes you gay on this thread are just are homos lol and feel so bad for themselves for being gay and that it took mushrooms to make you realise your gay your hoping its not just you that its everyone well sorry to tell you but only gays are gay drugs cant make someone gay if so LSD weed and X make people gay therefore all of america would be gay but like i said lets get off the fag topic if your gay and are too ashamed to believe you were gay before shrooms you just feel bad inside about being gay and BLAME a drug for being that way lol those people live sad sad lives in my opinion
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: S14sliding]
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No, we had smoked some weed on the come up of the trip, and once i really started tripping i thought that it wasn't weed, but meth we were smoking. And all the times we had smoked weed in the past 2 or so years we were really smoking meth, and i was a tweaker without even knowing it.
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: S14sliding]
#14367918 - 04/28/11 04:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I am terrified that I have.
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: MisterMuscaria]
#14367934 - 04/28/11 04:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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You seem more grounded than many a' poster around here But what can one really tell from texts on the internet.
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: twighead]
#14367947 - 04/28/11 04:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lately i just feel like I have no personality or identity anymore and i live a pretty detached life.
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: twighead]
#14367969 - 04/28/11 04:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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MisterMuscaria said: Lately i just feel like I have no personality or identity anymore and i live a pretty detached life.
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iwasaClown said: No, we had smoked some weed on the come up of the trip, and once i really started tripping i thought that it wasn't weed, but meth we were smoking. And all the times we had smoked weed in the past 2 or so years we were really smoking meth, and i was a tweaker without even knowing it.
ooo ok i umderstand what your saying now lol i bet when you sobered up you were happy to realize your not really a tweaker just a big pothead =)Quote:
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no idea what your talking about was that for me or someone else
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: S14sliding]
#14367980 - 04/28/11 04:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Last time I tripped was a couple weeks ago but i used to trip every week, sometimes twice a week over the course of several years.
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: MisterMuscaria]
#14367989 - 04/28/11 04:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Obviously wasn't for you, I wasn't replying to you
Read the bar above people's posts maaan..
Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: MisterMuscaria] #14367934 - 04/28/11 03:19 PM (6 minutes, 27 seconds ago)
That tells you who they're talking to.
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: MisterMuscaria]
#14368014 - 04/28/11 04:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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twighead said: Obviously wasn't for you, I wasn't replying to you
Read the bar above people's posts maaan..
Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: MisterMuscaria] #14367934 - 04/28/11 03:19 PM (6 minutes, 27 seconds ago)
That tells you who they're talking to.
ahhhh ha thanks i didnt know that lol i learn something new everyday =) Quote:
MisterMuscaria said: Last time I tripped was a couple weeks ago but i used to trip every week, sometimes twice a week over the course of several years.
maybe yo ushould def not trip for a long long time even if everyone else around u is tripping so you dont feel that way about yourself anymore. that feelings only temperary you`ll be back to normal in no time =)
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: MisterMuscaria]
#14368015 - 04/28/11 04:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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MisterMuscaria said: Last time I tripped was a couple weeks ago but i used to trip every week, sometimes twice a week over the course of several years.
If you feel tripping is having a negative impact on you I'd take a break (as obvious as that sounds) - I've felt very similar and have since taken a break myself... time will heal
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: twighead]
#14368069 - 04/28/11 04:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ive actually been on a break and really slowed it down. Ive only tripped 3-4 times in the past year.
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Re: can you really lose your mind tripping? [Re: MisterMuscaria]
#14368154 - 04/28/11 05:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hmm do you toke often? As much as I love weed when I use it chronically I find the effects rather depersonalizing - even when I'm not high for a couple days after a long stint.
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