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Where to go from here?
#14364430 - 04/27/11 11:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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So long story short, 2010 was the best year of my life. I made monumental strides in thought and in action. Long story short, I got really sick and the doctors couldn't figure out what was wrong with me. It made me really evaluate what was important in life, and set off a HUGE spiritual quest. I used every means possible; before this quest I was anti-drug. I then used any drug I could find (psychedelics a good amount). I also had a very cognitive based shrink (and a very cognitive, personal psych teacher), I also hung out with friends who expanded my mind. I had a HUGE shift in thinking. I actually got OUT of a 7 year depression. I had such a huge shift in thinking it's not even funny. I could explain in HUGE detail, but this is already going to be a long pots.
However, as of recent, I've been lacking the mind expanding. This semester, I'm taking heavy physics and math courses. I'm majoring in physics (last semester I was fucking off more or less, I decided to get my shit in order this semester). I love physics, but the stuff we're learning now is introductory and not necessarily mind-expanding. I've learned SO much, though. I have a very good teacher. I feel like I understand the universe around me a lot better than before the semester, however it's all very logical, and progressive/additive.
Where I feel like the things I learned before were more completely unrelated to how I was thinking. With physics it's like "take this concept that we learned earlier and adapt it for this". It's making me understand everything a lot better, but it's not necessarily mind expanding.
I've been looking everywhere for how to expand my mind more. I recently had ONE big shift, in terms of relationships, but honestly I feel like the way I see things is the right way. And that depresses me in a way. I feel like I'm just a machine. I see the world perfectly and I have my work cut out for me. However, that sucks. I want to change how I think even more. I love changing how I think and how I see the world.
I haven't tripped in awhile. Actually, after I used a ton of drugs I just stopped for awhile (hey, starting drugs changed how I thought, maybe stopping would change too. and it did). I might be tripping again soon, which should help. However I'm looking for new ways of mind expansion. I've studied Buddhism a little bit. And also over the summer I'm taking a philosophy of religion class with the best philosophy teacher on campus. I've never taken any philosophy classes before, so that should help.
But I'm looking for more ways. Now I'm a wisdom sponge. I ask everyone around me for any wisdom they have. I don't know what I'm looking for, I'm just looking.
It's getting harder and harder to find really wise people though.
Where the fuck do you go for more wisdom? Not many people I know have the wisdom I'm looking for. Most people spout off pseudo-wisdom/bullshit "inspirational" quotes. I only know one person who has something wise to say a lot, and I talk to him. However he said that my wisdom is starting to approach his, and I was actually the one who introduced him to LSD. It changed how he thought a lot, obviously.
Tripping should help soon, but only so much wisdom can come from mushies. However, they have taught a lot.
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here's some wisdom
sponge it up bro
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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: g00ru]
#14364646 - 04/28/11 12:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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This is just my humble opinion. Sounds like your on the road, don't look too much to outside guides, some can be very helpful in directing you (chose them wisely) but in the long run it's up to you... and you seem to be on the right track. Believe me, you will know when you get there.
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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: Mojave888]
#14364986 - 04/28/11 02:26 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do some traveling, get out in the world and learn on your feet. Go to Nepal, it will change your life. I also had a near death experience when I was younger and wanted some answers, or at the very least, wisdom. The best thing I found was Vipassana meditation. (you can sign up for a free 10 day course at dhamma.org) You should try it at least once in your life.
If I were to recommend you some books, they would be:
1. The Way of The Peaceful Warrior (an excellent novel with plenty of wisdom) 2. In the Face of Fear: Buddhist Wisdom for Challenging Times (printed 2010, includes articles by well known Buddhists and Psychologists like Jack Kornfield, Ram Dass, Thick Naht Hahn...etc) 3. The Power of Now (although I don't like his tone and the way he makes you want to hate your ego) 4. Emotional Intelligence (A must read, very well written and well supported by a plethora of scientific evidence) 5. A Path With Heart (by Jack Kornfield)
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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: Satyapriya]
#14364995 - 04/28/11 02:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Here you go wisdom sponge 
These are my favorite quotes from books I've read and whatnot, mostly related to spirituality, love, religion, society, psychology, philosophy...etc.
"If you're going to try, go all the way. Otherwise don't even start. This could mean losing girlfriends, wives, relatives, jobs. And maybe your mind. It could mean not eating for three or four days. It could mean freezing on a park bench. It could mean jail. It could mean derision. It could mean mockery, isolation. Isolation is the gift. All the others are a test of your endurance. Of how much you really want to do it. And you'll do it, despite rejection in the worst odds. And it will be better than anything else you can imagine. If you're going to try, go all the way. There is no other feeling like that. You will be alone with the gods. And the nights will flame with fire. You will ride life straight to perfect laughter. It's the only good fight there is." ~ Charles Bukowski
"There comes a time in life, when you walk away from all the drama and the people who create it. You surround yourself with people who make you laugh, forget the bad, and focus on the good. So, love the people who treat you right & pray for the ones who don't. Life is too short to be anything but happy. Falling down is a part of life, but getting back up is LIVING!"
"Why do we close our eyes.. when we pray, when we cry, when we kiss, when we dream? Because in this world the most beautiful things cannot be seen, but felt only by the heart."
"Live for others, the candle does not burn to illuminate itself." ~ Sufi wisdom
"Happiness only real when shared" ~ Chris McCandless
"It is the great, final, counter-intuitive secret of life: The key to happiness is putting others first."
"Realizing that there is no selfhood except through our relationships constitutes the path to genuine freedom."
"You won't ever be happier, until you find that special place where you belong. And you won't ever be happier, until you find that only way, until you find the only way back home." ~ Neve
"Love is spiders on the edge and we're hangin' by a thread.." ~ Lovedrug
"In the eye of storm you'll see a lonely dove, the experience of survival is the key, to the gravity of love." ~ Enigma
"Live love, love life." ~ Ted Hanak
"Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres."
"Like fish swimming in the sea and asking 'where is the water?', we swim in a sea of Love and deny that it exists."
"Love for All and Sharing is the first step to solving all the problems of humanity."
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." ~ Jimi hendrix
"Buddhism has the characteristics of what would be expected in a cosmic religion for the future: it transcends a personal God, avoids dogmas and theology; it covers both the natural spiritual, and it is based on a religious sense aspiring from the experience of all things, natural and spiritual, as a meaningful unity." ~ Albert Einstein
"When student is ready, guru will appear." ~ Tibetan wisdom
"A truly accomplished yogi is one who can live anywhere in the world without being disturbed or losing their divine joy." ~ Tibetan wisdom
"It is more sensible to spend energy focusing on the solution rather than worrying about the problem. Alternatively, if there is no way out, no solution, then there is no point in being worried about it, because you can't do anything about it anyway." ~ Dalai Lama
"Patience and tolerance are antidotes to hatred. Sincere motivation is an antidote to anxiety. Honesty is an antidote to low self-esteem and inflated self-confidence. And reflecting on one's potential is an antidote to self-hatred." - Dalai Lama
"Cognitive Intervention: The method of consciously replacing negative thoughts with well reasoned positive ones."
"Positive states of mind can act as direct antidotes to negative states of mind. Happiness is the way." ~ Dalai Lama
"Life is a journey, and it is full of adventures." ~ Dalai Lama
"To do, or not to do. Its the warrior's choice. But if you stand, stand. If you sit, sit. Whatever you do, don't wobble. Make each decision with every inch of your being." ~ The Way of the Peaceful Warrior
"Your energy level is rising. People, animals, and even things are attracted to and awed by the presence of an energy field. That's how it works." ~ The Way of the Peaceful Warrior
"Satori, a Zen concept, is the warrior's state of being. It occurs at the moment when the mind is free of thought, just pure awareness. The body is active, sensitive, relaxed, and the emotions are open and free." ~ The Way of the Peaceful Warrior
"The true martial arts teach harmony and non-resistance - the way of the trees bending in the wind." ~ The Way of the Peaceful Warrior
"The fall from grace happens to each of us when we start thinking, when we become namers and knowers. Its not just 'Adam and Eve' you see, its all of us. The birth of the mind is the death of the senses." ~ The Way of the Peaceful Warrior
"What you enjoyed as a child can be yours again. Jesus of Nazareth, one of the greatest warriors, once said that you must be like a little child to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Now you understand?" ~ The Way of the Peaceful Warrior
"Its time you start learning from your life experiences rather than complaining about them." ~ The Way of the Peaceful Warrior
"99% of people commit suicide, you don't have to physically die to die in this life." ~ The Way of the Peaceful Warrior
"Only cowards die before they die." ~ Shakespeare
"Our natural state of being is joy. It takes so much energy to think negative thoughts, to speak negative words, and to feel miserable. The easy path is good thoughts, good words, and good deeds."
"If you did not have love in you, you could not be alive and exist as a human being. If you peel away the layers around you, you would be left with an eternal light of consciousness that is made of pure love."
"Whatever you want to bring into your life, you must first give it to others."
"Trying to change someone is a waste of time. The very thought of changing someone is saying that they are not good enough as they are, and it is soaked with judgment and disapproval. That is not a thought of appreciation or love, and those thoughts will only bring separation between you and that person."
"To a meditator who has a certain degree of inner stability, and realization, every experience comes as a teaching."
“I dreamed I was a butterfly, flitting around in the sky; then I awoke. Now I wonder: Am I a man who dreamt of being a butterfly, or am I a butterfly dreaming that I am a man?” ~ Zhuangzi
"Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace."
"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication." ~ Leonardo Da Vinci
“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. Corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money-power of the country will endeavor to prolong it's reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.” ~ Abraham Lincoln
"Humanity is insane... Every single one of us. However, because things appear to be normal since our egos will it, it is perceived as sanity. We hide the fact that we know of our self-destructive paths, our materialistic needs, and our hypocritical narcissism. We bury this truth. When we catch glimpses of fallacies of the lies that our consciousness has made, we reach something called 'cognitive dissonance,' which brings on anxiety and fear of knowing the truth... Of separating from the insanity that has claimed the rest... Of being different... Truthful."
"The Seven Blunders of the World/Roots of Violence: Wealth without work. Pleasure without conscience. Knowledge without character. Commerce without morality. Science without humanity. Worship without sacrifice. Politics without principle." ~ Mahatma Gandhi
"In modern society we end up knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing."
"In a free society, we are supposed to know the truth. In a society where truth becomes treason, we are in big trouble." ~ Ron Paul
"Humans have been in the grip of pain for eons, ever since they fell from a state of grace, entered the realm of time and mind, and lost awareness of being. At that point, they started to perceive themselves as meaningless fragments in an alien universe, unconnected to the source and to each other." ~ Eckhart Tolle
"The first peace, which is the most important, is that which comes within the souls of men when they realize their relationship, their oneness, with the universe and all its powers, and when they realize that at the center of the universe dwells Wakan-Tanka, and that this center is really everywhere, it is within each of us. This is the real peace, and the others are but reflections of this. The second peace is that which is made between two individuals, and the third is that which is made between two nations. But above all you should understand that there can never be peace between nations until there is first known that true peace, which, as I have often said, is within the souls of men." ~ Black Elk
"The books we need are the kind that act upon us like a misfortune, that make us suffer like the death of someone we love more than ourselves, that make us feel as though we were on the verge of suicide, or lost in a forest remote from all human habitation—a book should serve as an axe for the frozen sea within us.” - Franz Kafka
"Be the change you want to see in this world" - Mahatma Gandhi
"There is only one dreamer, the one Self, dreaming many dreams."
"In reality there are no others, and by helping yourself you help everybody else."
"When all the false self-identifications are thrown away, what remains is all-embracing love."
"For the Zen Buddhist, the created and the creator are one in the same."
"The whole essence of Zen consists in walking along the razor's edge of Now - to be so utterly, so completely present that no problem, no suffering, nothing that is not who you are in your essence, can survive in you."
"I have lived with many Zen masters - All of them cats." :-)
"No animal in nature eats when it's sick, EXCEPT for you-know-who."
"Eternity has nothing to do with time. Eternity is that dimension of here and now in which thinking and time cuts out. This is it. And if you don't get it here, you won't get it anywhere. And the experience of eternity right here and now is the function of life." ~ Joseph Campbell
"If you knew what I knew of time you wouldn't talk of wasting it." ~ Cheshire Cat
"It is not uncommon for people to spend their whole life waiting to start living." ~ Eckhart Tolle
"Time is what keeps the light from reaching us. There is no greater obstacle to God than time." ~ Eckhart Tolle
"A man should not strive to eliminate his complexes but to get into accord with them: they are legitimately what directs his conduct in the world." - Sigmund Freud
"The cause of all our personal problems and nearly all the problems of the world can be summed up in a single sentence: Human life is very deep, and our modern dominant lifestyle is not."
"Identification with the mind is the main hindrance, because it causes thought to become compulsive. Not to be able to stop thinking is a dreadful affliction, but we don't realize this because almost everybody is suffering from it, so it is considered normal." ~ Eckhart Tolle
"The mind is a superb instrument if used rightly. Used wrongly, however, it becomes very destructive. More accurately, it is not so much that you use your mind wrongly - you usually don't use it at all, it uses you. This is the disease. You believe that you are your mind. This is the delusion. The instrument has taken you over." ~ Eckhart Tolle
"This kind of thinking is actually an addiction. You no longer feel that you have the choice to stop. It seems stronger than you. It also gives a false sense of pleasure, pleasure that invariably turns into pain."
"Whenever you are able to observe the mind, you are no longer trapped in it."
"The moment your attention turns to the now, you feel a presence, a stillness, a peace. You no longer depend on the future for fulfillment and satisfaction - you don't look to it for salvation."
"Feeling will get you closer to the truth of who you are than thinking. I cannot tell you anything that deep within you don't already know. When you have reached a certain stage of inner connectedness, you recognize the truth when you hear it. If you haven't reached that stage yet, the practice of body awareness will bring about the deepening that is necessary." ~ Eckhart Tolle
"If you become excessively focused on the goal, perhaps because you are seeking happiness, fulfillment, or a more complete sense of self in it, the Now is no longer honored. It becomes reduced to a mere stepping stone to the future, with no intrinsic value. Your life's journey is no longer an adventure, just an obsessive need to arrive, to attain. You no longer smell the flowers by the wayside either, nor are you aware of the beauty of and the miracle of life that unfolds all around you when you are present in the now." ~ Eckhart Tolle
"The best indicator of your level of consciousness is how you deal with life's challenges when they come. You can use a challenge to awaken you, or you can allow it to pull you into an even deeper sleep."
"There have been many people for whom limitation, failure, loss, illness, or pain in whatever form turned out to be their greatest teacher. It taught them to let go of false self-images and superficial ego-dictated goals and desires. It gave them depth, humility, and compassion. It made them more real."
"Fear comes in many forms: Unease, worry, anxiety, nervousness, tension, dread, phobia...etc. This kind of psychological fear is always something that might happen, not of something that is happening now. You are in the here and now, while your mind is in the future. This creates an anxiety gap. And if you have identified with your mind and have lost touch with the power and simplicity of the NOW, that anxiety gap will be your constant companion." ~ Eckhart Tolle
"Unhappiness spreads more easily then a physical disease. Through the law of resonance, it triggers and feels latent negativity in others, unless they are immune - that is, highly conscious." ~ Eckhart Tolle
"Particularly, at the mental level when one is affected by fear, anxiety, worry, and depression, a great deal of energy is lost."
"I feel myself supported by the awareness that everyone struggles."
"Peace, joy, love, and happiness is our natural state. Glimpses of love and joy or brief moments of deep peace are possible whenever a gap occurs in the stream of thought." ~ Eckhart Tolle
"In regards to happiness: We've read all the recipes and assembled the right ingredients, but the meals we prepare don't look like the pictures in the book."
"If only for just one moment we could accept ourselves with kindness and compassion rather than forcing ourselves to conform to some impossible ideal. The world would immediately be different."
“A man who uses his hands is a laborer. One who uses his hands and mind is a craftsman. He who uses his hands, and his mind, and his heart is an artist.” ~ St. Francis of Assisi
"Only when one has earned the state of love and compassion, only when one is physically, emotionally, and spiritually healthy, can he share one's health, happiness, and love with others. In fact, such a person does not even need to go out and do any particular act of serving; instead wherever this person will be, their very presence will heal people, bring harmony, and make the whole environment vibrant and alive."
"Buddhists, and musicians as well, must realize there is no difference between practice and performance. The only real difference factor is how well they do it."
"The only real way to counter stage fright is to practice. Similarly, I suspect the best countermeasure to 'life fright' is spiritual practice."
"When your heart is lit with compassion and you are beyond self interest or self-gratification, your message will get through."
"The key for me, especially getting further into my adult life, has been to learn to properly channel those energies when one rises up and wants to be heard." ~ Brandon Boyd
"Our integrity sells for so little, but it is all we really have. It is that very last inch of us. But within that inch we are free." ~ V For Vendetta
"Suffering is the demand that experience be different from what it is." ~ Buddha
"What we think, we become." ~ Buddha
"If a man's mind becomes pure, his surroundings will also become pure." ~ Buddha
"Be a lamp unto yourselves." ~ Buddha
"Within every being, however seemingly dark, there is light."
"Enlightenment is finding your true nature beyond name and form. The heart beyond identity."
"The awakening of consciousness is the next evolutionary step for mankind."
"Through meditation, mankind can change from being a largely neurotic, schizophrenic society into becoming an awakened, healthy and blissful species."
"An individual needs to acknowledge and be firmly aware of the fact that one is the rock, one is also the chisel, and one is the very image that will eventually emerge while working upon oneself."
"A Zen student went to his master one day and asked 'master, why must we always focus on the breath? Its so boring!' So then the master took his student and held his head under water for quite a long time. After he pulled him up, he asked 'while you were underwater did you find the breath boring?'" 
"By means of meditation we can teach our minds to be calm and balanced; within this calmness is a richness and a potential, an inner knowledge which can render our lives boundlessly satisfying and meaningful. While the mind may be what traps us in unhealthy patterns of stress and imbalance, it is also the mind which can free us. Through meditation, we can tap the healing qualities of mind." ~ Tarthang Tulku
"Mindfulness - This is the way you create peace, the way you bring about freedom. You do it for your own happiness, and when you are happy, the people you relate with benefit from your presence and are happy too."
"Mindfulness meditation strengthens the mind so that you can more easily be with difficult emotions or uncomfortable physical sensations that cause your mind to abandon the present moment."
"For the first few years of practice you are literally reprogramming your nervous system to free it from habitual reactivity. This alone will bring much ease and flexibility to your mind."
"During meditation, you will most often have personal insights about your life and how it has been conditioned. Such insights help you to grow and understand yourself better, leading to a fuller life. Less frequent, but having a far greater impact when they arise, are the insights about the nature of life itself."
"During Vipassana, the mind becomes as calm as a mountain lake at dawn, perfectly mirroring its surroundings and at the same time revealing its depths to those who look more closely." ~ S. N. Goenka, The Art of Living
"Contentment with what you have and who you are is a seed to enlightenment itself."
"Without others, we would have no chance to develop beyond ego. Without them, we could not follow the path at all."
"What truly is a part of our path is that which brings us alive. If gardening brings us alive, that is a part of our path. If it is music, if it is conversation.. we must follow what brings us alive."
"Realizing that you do not exist separately from everything else, you realize responsibility."
"The ego is always grasping, but since everything is impermanent, it is always at a loss."
"On the path of Dharma, we are encouraged to view the difficulties as opportunities for awakening, not simply as roadblocks."
"The harder we try to contort reality into our fantasy of happiness, the less happy we are and the more chaotic our mind seems."
"That quest, being hopeless, brought pain. But when my mind stopped reaching out and fell back into the warm dark of uncertainty, time stretched out infinitely on both sides, and there was a pool of joy in me that seemed bottomless - joy in breathing, joy in hearing the birds in the cold just before dawn. Having cancer was much more exciting than sitting in an armchair watching the game on Sunday."
"To engage and entangle ourselves with whomever and whatever we meet, to care about them, to throw our lot in with them - that is the way."
"Anxiety, when accepted, is the driving force to enlightenment in that it lays bare the human dilemma at the same time that it ignites our desire to break out of it."
"With an open mind, fear can become your greatest ally - because facing your fear means facing your life, and facing your life means living your life."
"There is nothing to fear but fear itself." ~ Franklin Delano Roosevelt
"There are two types of fears, wholesome and unwholesome, rational and irrational."
"Anyone can become angry - that is easy. But to be angry with the right person, to the right degree, at the right time, for the right purpose, and in the right way - this is not easy." ~ Aristotle
"Anger is never without reason, but seldom a good one." ~ Ben Franklin
"In a very real sense we have two minds, one that thinks and one that feels." ~ Daniel Goleman
"The fact that the thinking brain grew from the emotion reveals much about the relationship of thought to feeling; there was am emotional brain long before there was a rational one." Daniel Goleman
"The brain is remarkably plastic, constantly learning. Lapses in emotional skills can be remedied." ~ Daniel Goleman
"Those who have natural attunement to their own heart's voice - the language of emotion - are sure to be more adept at articulating its messages. This inner attunement should make them more gifted in giving voice to the 'wisdom of the unconscious' - the felt meanings of our dreams and fantasies, the symbols that embody our deepest wishes." ~ Daniel Goleman
"The goal is balance, not suppression. Every feeling has its value and significance." ~ Daniel Goleman
"It is not that we should feel only one kind of emotion: being happy all the time. There is much to be said for the constructive contribution of suffering to creative and spiritual life; suffering can temper the soul." ~ Daniel Goleman
"Just as there is a steady murmur of background thoughts in the mind, there is a constant emotional hum." ~ Daniel Goleman
"The most effective tactic for battling depression is socializing." ~ Daniel Goleman
"Studies of Olympic athletes, world class musicians, and chess grand masters find their unifying trait is the ability to motivate themselves to pursue relentless training routines." ~ Daniel Goleman
"In 'flow,' emotions are not just contained and channeled, but positive, energized, and aligned with the task at hand. To be caught in the ennui of depression or the agitation of anxiety is to be barred from flow." ~ Daniel Goleman
"Although people perform at their peak while in flow, they are unconcerned with how they are doing, with thoughts of failure or success - The sheer pleasure of the act itself is what motivates them." ~ Daniel Goleman
"Given the right experiences, even Post Traumatic Stress Disorder can lift; strong emotional memories, and the patterns of thought and reaction that they trigger, can change with time." ~ Daniel Goleman
"One way to get at the picture frozen in the Amygdala is through art, which itself is a medium of the unconscious." ~ Daniel Goleman
"Emotional learning is lifelong." ~ Daniel Goleman
"Tell us thy troubles and speak freely. A flow of words doth ever ease the heart of sorrows; it is like opening the waste where the mill dam is overfull." ~ Robin Hood
"When a composer's work is at its best you yourself are in an ecstatic state to such a point that you feel as though you almost don't exist. I've experienced this many times. My hand seems devoid of myself, and I have nothing to do with what is happening. I just sit there watching in a state of awe and wonderment. And it just flows out by itself."
"We are not going to stop falling, but we can find faith in the midst of the fall."
"It is the heart that gives, the fingers just let go." ~ African Proverb
"Fighting and rejecting the natural ebb and flow of life, which brings with it inevitable loss and decay, is a futile pursuit that robs us of our ability to truly enjoy life."
"Shutting out suffering is an extremely dangerous non-Dharmic act, because through out aversion we exclude the full experience of mind. We deny impermanence and attempt to keep things in control, we ignore the truth. In short, we can't relax and let things be."
"Our death is part of our life. If we accept it with courage and joy, we will make the transition from this world into the next beautifully."
"The journey is more important than the end or the start."
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." ~ Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
"The greatest barrier to consciousness is the belief that one is already conscious."
"If you were conscious, that is to say, totally present in the now, all negativity would dissolve almost instantly. It could not survive in your presence. It can only survive in your absence." ~ Eckhart Tolle
"A mind that is stretched by a new experience can never go back to its old dimensions." ~ Oliver Wendell Holmes
"No drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power." ~ P.J. O'Rourke
"The Christian Heaven, the Pure Land of Buddhism: are we suddenly whisked away to them, or do we create them by becoming the kind of people who would live in such a place?" ~ David Loy
"Heaven is within you, and all around you, in every passing moment." - Jesus (from the Book of St. Thomas, conveniently omitted from the Bible)
"The Kingdom of Heaven is spread upon the earth and men do not see it." ~ Jesus (Book of St. Thomas, also omitted)
"Heaven and hell exist here and now, they can be experienced within this life, within this body." ~ S. N. Goenka
"Most people find it difficult to believe that a state of consciousness totally free of all negativity is possible. And yet this is the liberated states to which all spiritual teachings point. It is the promise of salvation, not in an illusory future but right here and now." ~ Eckhart Tolle
"Maybe redemption has stories to tell. Maybe forgiveness is right where you fell. Where can you run to escape from yourself? Where you ganna go? Where you ganna go?.. Salvation is here." ~ Switchfoot
"There is no force of hate. Hate is simply absence of love, just as darkness is the absence of light. Poverty is the absence of abundance, sickness the absence of health, and sadness is the absence of joy. All negativity is simple the absence of something positive."
"Religion is for people who are afraid to go to hell. Spirituality, on the other hand, is for those of us who have been there."
"I am not a human being in search of a spiritual experience, I am a spiritual being immersed in a human experience."
"There is a presence inside you. It is the life force that breathed your first breath when you were born. It is the life force breathing you now. It is a presence of unbelievable harmony, peace, and love, and it is inside you."
"I believe in God, only I spell it Nature." ~ Frank Lloyd Wright
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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: Satyapriya]
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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: Noteworthy]
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what? ya it is, wut u talkin bout
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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: g00ru]
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no...just be open to the wisdom that comes your way
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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: Noteworthy]
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That's a load of shit and you know it.
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no actually I see people who go and seek wisdom as n00bs who think that wisdom can just be put into words and conveyed from one person to another. They are the sort of people who buy self-help books and adorn their lives with 'wise' quotes from famous people, thinking they will somehow 'understand' what those people were thinking.
Old or experienced people don't pass on wisdom by telling it to other people, they pass on appropriate stories and mental tools/'things to consider' that can be used by other people to discover their own wisdom. Wisdom is not like information that can just be copied and shared. I thought this was elementary, I didn't expect people to deny this when I made my post.
you don't go to school or uni or sunday school to learn wisdom, you just find wisdom along your path by being open to changing your views, learning from your mistakes, and seeing the world through different perspectives.
If you think differently, please share the sorts of resources people can look to in order to 'find wisdom'
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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: Noteworthy]
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If wisdom was only gained through experience alone, we would have become extinct long ago.. Yes, the majority of a person's life wisdom is based off of life experience, but it is also passed down through the generations. Children acquire a lot of essential wisdom even in early history class. They learn from the mistakes of our ancestors, of early civilizations. Also, you say we gain wisdom by seeing the world through a different perspective. Well that is one reason I read, to get another person's perspective. And they write to share their perspective and pass their life wisdom on to others.
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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: Satyapriya]
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And what about wisdom passed through music written and performed by a talented musician? There are musicians out there skilled enough to take you into the frequency of their emotional experience and convey the lessons they've learned throughout their lives.
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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: Satyapriya]
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the best wisdom ive come up with that i dont think people really get, is that all ideas/beliefs are imagination, thought can not represent reality.
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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: Noteworthy]
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You don't achieve knowledge and understanding through actively looking for it, even in the form of a self-help book? Why would you even imagine that these things can only be found in self-help books, and, furthermore, why does one necessarily have to understand exactly what those people were thinking? I think that the more accurately information is being transmitted, the less chances there are for it to be misinterpreted. Sure, no knowledge is subjectively perceived exactly in the same fashion by two people, but this doesn't mean that wisdom has been lost through communication. It only means that, since we, as people, have different experiences, our ways of understanding are also more or less different.
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Old or experienced people don't pass on wisdom by telling it to other people,
I'm sorry, what now?  Old and experienced people? Because only old and experienced people have wisdom? Do you have any idea how gayly elitist this sounds? Since when does experience and old age translate into wisdom?
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they pass on appropriate stories and mental tools/'things to consider' that can be used by other people to discover their own wisdom.
Oh really? Can you give a few examples of such "tools/things to consider", perhaps? Also, can you further explain how wisdom is being transmitted this way?
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Wisdom is not like information that can just be copied and shared. I thought this was elementary, I didn't expect people to deny this when I made my post.
And yet you were. Wisdom is not just information, true, but it most definitely starts from there. One's own mental abilities are what can turn that information into wisdom. However, there are certain skills and traits one can exercise in order to get better at being "wise". Let's further look into the qualities possesd by a wise person, shall we? IMO, a wise person has the ability to discern, to control one's emotional reactions, to be aware of one's surroundings, to be able to determine the results of one's actions, to have the ability to accurately transmit and receive information, to make informed decisions, to form concepts out of observations and to be able to understand concepts, etc. Are you saying that one can't get any benefit from actively looking to improve one's mental processes that are responsible for improving these skills? That one just has to "wait" for these improvements do be done? What a load of crap!
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I think what you are describing is intelligence, not wisdom. Intelligence consists of the ability to successfully manipulate the environment and other people. Wisdom is more about good jugdement, especially the ability to make good decisions that affect your long term wellbeing. Wise people have intelligence but intelligent people are not always wise. IMO, wisdom cannot be attained quickly by the means of mental exercises or skill building.
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I think what you are describing is intelligence, not wisdom. Intelligence consists of the ability to successfully manipulate the environment and other people. Wisdom is more about good jugdement, especially the ability to make good decisions that affect your long term wellbeing. Wise people have intelligence but intelligent people are not always wise. IMO, wisdom cannot be attained quickly by the means of mental exercises or skill building.
So successfully manipulating your environment and being able to make good decisions that affect your long term wellbeing are two different things?
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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: 4896744]
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I think what you are describing is intelligence, not wisdom. Intelligence consists of the ability to successfully manipulate the environment and other people. Wisdom is more about good jugdement, especially the ability to make good decisions that affect your long term wellbeing. Wise people have intelligence but intelligent people are not always wise. IMO, wisdom cannot be attained quickly by the means of mental exercises or skill building.
So successfully manipulating your environment and being able to make good decisions that affect your long term wellbeing are two different things?
Yes, I think they are. It is possible for a person to successfully manipulate their environment at work, earn a decent salary, and then make poor decisions cconcerning their finances that lead them into heavy debt or even bankrupty.
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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: 4896744]
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I think what you are describing is intelligence, not wisdom. Intelligence consists of the ability to successfully manipulate the environment and other people. Wisdom is more about good jugdement, especially the ability to make good decisions that affect your long term wellbeing. Wise people have intelligence but intelligent people are not always wise. IMO, wisdom cannot be attained quickly by the means of mental exercises or skill building.
So successfully manipulating your environment and being able to make good decisions that affect your long term wellbeing are two different things?
I've also seen many intelligent, capable people make poor decisions regarding their health, and have regeretted the decisions.
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these history classes are not wisdom classes. however they include information that you can gain wisdom from.
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once again, the music is not 'wise music', however it might confront you with points of view that lead you to think differently.
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You don't achieve knowledge and understanding through actively looking for it, even in the form of a self-help book? Why would you even imagine that these things can only be found in self-help books, and, furthermore, why does one necessarily have to understand exactly what those people were thinking? I think that the more accurately information is being transmitted, the less chances there are for it to be misinterpreted. Sure, no knowledge is subjectively perceived exactly in the same fashion by two people, but this doesn't mean that wisdom has been lost through communication. It only means that, since we, as people, have different experiences, our ways of understanding are also more or less different.
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I'm sorry, what now?  Old and experienced people? Because only old and experienced people have wisdom? Do you have any idea how gayly elitist this sounds? Since when does experience and old age translate into wisdom?
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Oh really? Can you give a few examples of such "tools/things to consider", perhaps? Also, can you further explain how wisdom is being transmitted this way?
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Wisdom is not like information that can just be copied and shared. I thought this was elementary, I didn't expect people to deny this when I made my post.
And yet you were. Wisdom is not just information, true, but it most definitely starts from there. One's own mental abilities are what can turn that information into wisdom. However, there are certain skills and traits one can exercise in order to get better at being "wise". Let's further look into the qualities possesd by a wise person, shall we? IMO, a wise person has the ability to discern, to control one's emotional reactions, to be aware of one's surroundings, to be able to determine the results of one's actions, to have the ability to accurately transmit and receive information, to make informed decisions, to form concepts out of observations and to be able to understand concepts, etc. Are you saying that one can't get any benefit from actively looking to improve one's mental processes that are responsible for improving these skills? That one just has to "wait" for these improvements do be done? What a load of crap! 
seems like youve got a lot of angst here, mushroom. Sick of old people telling you what to do or something.
I did not say to sit back and wisdom will just hit you like a brick.
Though I can see how people interpreted this.
The point is rather that through searching for things like intelligence, or points of view, wisdom can then hit someone like a brick.
But those things alone will never bring wisdom. None of the sources of wisdom are inherently wisdom generating. However, they are still necessary.
Necessary but not sufficient.
And the act of going out to 'find' wisdom is fallacious, in my opinion, because it treats wisdom as some sort of information that can just be found by looking.
Once again, my point is that many people go looking for wisdom and many do not find it. Many others do not go looking for it but still find it anyway. The act of seeking it does not attain it, except perhaps by accident, in a way that might have occured if one simply seeked to learn some history or something like that.
Also your (unwise ) eagerness has led you to misinterpret me most likely. I never said anything absolute about self-help books, old people, or experienced people, but you seem to have taken my words as if I am making absolute assertions regarding these things. They are just salient examples
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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: Noteworthy]
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you should actively seek all sorts of material to feed your head with...idk what kind of position you're trying to take.
what is wisdom? Wisdom arises out of your own self, true. But seeking knowledge often leads to wisdom so you should seek knowledge voraciously
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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: g00ru]
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Well I dont deny that. I think it is more than just seeking knowledge though. People can seek for knowledge and not gain much wisdom. People could immerse themselves in any aspect of life and not gain wisdom. However without any engagement with the world and our collective knowledge of it, one will not attain wisdom. So these things can fuel wisdom, without being wisdom.
In the end I just think you can never know where to look to find wisdom, even though you need to look in order to find it. So rather than involving yourself in a search for wisdom, it would be better to involve yourself in search of knowledge/understanding, experiences, perspectives, and along the way wisdom will probably develop faster than someone engrossed in mundane unthoughtful lives. But some people have experiences forced upon them and they end up being wise without seeking it.
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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: Noteworthy]
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yeah, the wise man doesn't try to be wise, true
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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: Noteworthy]
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In the end I just think you can never know where to look to find wisdom, even though you need to look in order to find it. So rather than involving yourself in a search for wisdom, it would be better to involve yourself in search of knowledge/understanding, experiences, perspectives, and along the way wisdom will probably develop faster than someone engrossed in mundane unthoughtful lives. But some people have experiences forced upon them and they end up being wise without seeking it.
well you've used the word "wisdom" about a million times so far in this thread, and yet I don't think you even know what it means
Why don't you define it for us.
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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: Satyapriya]
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you cant really define wisdom well but we all know what it means. It has to do with judgement, realising what is important in a given situation, knowing how to weigh up emotional factors, being tactful with regards to human factors, being able to find sensible solice in a time of difficulty, and sensible suspicion in a time of prosperity.
Ive only mentioned it a million times because people have opposed what I said so strongly. I honestly think that seeking wisdom is unwise - but this is because of the way I conceptualise 'seeking wisdom', which to me is akin to reading self help books, buying a guru's audio tapes, asking people for and collecting 'wise words', etc.
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I think what you are describing is intelligence, not wisdom.
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...of people, things, events or situations, resulting in the ability to choose or act or inspire to consistently produce the optimum results with a minimum of time, energy or thought. It is the ability to optimally (effectively and efficiently) apply perceptions and knowledge and so produce the desired results.
to be able to determine the results of one's actions
It appears her definition was spot-on.
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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: Poid]
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I think what you are describing is intelligence, not wisdom.
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to be able to determine the results of one's actions
It appears her definition was spot-on. 
How do you explain extremely intelligent people who make piss poor decisions? I say they lack wisdom.
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yeah they do, they lack intuition and the ability to listen to themselves (all the same thing)
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to be able to determine the results of one's actions
It appears her definition was spot-on. 
How do you explain extremely intelligent people who make piss poor decisions? I say they lack wisdom.
So, in your opinion, wise people never make poor decisions? On what planet does that happen? By the looks of it, you just seem to have a very black and white view of reality, where intelligence and stupidity can't exist in the same person. Since this isn't the case, but you still insist that wisdom doesn't leave any room for bad decisions, feel free to give us a few exmaples of wise people who are always right, who can always accurately perceive reality, and whose decisions are constantly no less than brilliant. IMO, the only people who think in these terms about themselves and/or others suffer of an advanced state of delusion.
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there's only being wise in the moment and not being wise in the moment, if you make an unwise decision obviously at that moment you weren't being wise. No such thing as a "wise person" as obviously all qualities about us are totally transient, which is why there is no fixed ego, and that can go for any trait you care to analyze.
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guruu said: there's only being wise in the moment and not being wise in the moment, if you make an unwise decision obviously at that moment you weren't being wise. No such thing as a "wise person" as obviously all qualities about us are totally transient, which is why there is no fixed ego, and that can go for any trait you care to analyze.
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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: g00ru]
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I never stated otherwise. My only argument was that one can actively pursue wisdom in order to improve overall.
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Chill out. I didn't say there are wise people in the world who never make mistakes. What I said is that there are intelligent people (people with high IQs) who make poor decisions over and over. I think wisdom is the ability to judge a situation and make good decisions consistently, but of course not always.
The definition that you gave sounds like the definition of intelligence to me: the ability to discern, to control one's emotional reactions, to be aware of one's surroundings, to be able to determine the results of one's actions, to have the ability to accurately transmit and receive information, to make informed decisions, to form concepts out of observations and to be able to understand concepts, etc.
But none of those qualities will guarantee that the person will make wise decisions for the long term. I am actually thinking of some family members and acquaintances who have all those abilities, who are more skilled than I am, and yet fucked up their life big time with bad decisions.
The whole point is, I don't think one can just go out and acquire wisdom because one wants to. But you can go out and acquire knowledge and skills.
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HippieChick8 said: Chill out. I didn't say there are wise people in the world who never make mistakes. What I said is that there are intelligent people (people with high IQs) who make poor decisions over and over. I think wisdom is the ability to judge a situation and make good decisions consistently, but of course not always.
The definition that you gave sounds like the definition of intelligence to me: the ability to discern, to control one's emotional reactions, to be aware of one's surroundings, to be able to determine the results of one's actions, to have the ability to accurately transmit and receive information, to make informed decisions, to form concepts out of observations and to be able to understand concepts, etc.
But none of those qualities will guarantee that the person will make wise decisions for the long term. I am actually thinking of some family members and acquaintances who have all those abilities, who are more skilled than I am, and yet fucked up their life big time with bad decisions.
The whole point is, I don't think one can just go out and acquire wisdom because one wants to. But you can go out and acquire knowledge and skills.
isnt wisdom a type of intelligence though?
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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: zoomfan]
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One would think, but some people like to keep it mysterious and pretend that wisdom is also something else, even though, when you ask them what it is, they beat it around the bush.
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HippieChick8 said: Chill out. I didn't say there are wise people in the world who never make mistakes. What I said is that there are intelligent people (people with high IQs) who make poor decisions over and over. I think wisdom is the ability to judge a situation and make good decisions consistently, but of course not always.
Wow, that's suck a precise way of measuring poor and good decisions! You know, like "over and over" and "not always".  Not only that, but to assume that the hypathetical character in my previous example would be of the kind that makes mistakes over and over.

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The definition that you gave sounds like the definition of intelligence to me: the ability to discern, to control one's emotional reactions, to be aware of one's surroundings, to be able to determine the results of one's actions, to have the ability to accurately transmit and receive information, to make informed decisions, to form concepts out of observations and to be able to understand concepts, etc.
But none of those qualities will guarantee that the person will make wise decisions for the long term. I am actually thinking of some family members and acquaintances who have all those abilities, who are more skilled than I am, and yet fucked up their life big time with bad decisions.
Oh, I see. And what then is wisdom, if my example only portays intelligence?
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MushroomTrip said: One would think, but some people like to keep it mysterious and pretend that wisdom is also something else, even though, when you ask them what it is, they beat it around the bush. 
it is a type of intelligence but not the type of the thinking mind. It's a formless intelligence (which is actually the true intelligence of the thinking mind also).
You probably won't jive with this but the way I've got it figured out, there is your being. This being can connect with the mind. When it does so, and "you" are actively in your head thinking, this is intellect. When the mind is just flowing but you are really "doing" it, that's just mind.
There's a difference between your almost involuntary thoughts and when you're really in your head "HEY IM IN MY HEAD RIGHT NOW THINKING ON PURPOSE" and those absent minded thoughts "laa dee da gurlz are sexy i wanna fuck her shit i have homework i like playin guitar oooh its cold out damn i eat too much" this is the state of distraction
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HippieChick8 said: How do you explain extremely intelligent people who make piss poor decisions? I say they lack wisdom.
I'd be interested in anyone proving to me how any decision is a "poor" one or a "good" one.
As for the OP...
IME The more your mind expands the more full of shit it becomes. Try for less.
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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: Cups]
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What do you mean, full of shit? What are you filling your mind up for anyways? What are your true goals? From an artistic standpoint the only "shit" is tasteless stuff. Feed your head with anything you want as long as it's beautiful. So much of skepticism and so called rational thought is based in fear and clinging tendencies. So many people need to leave the fucking farm there's cool shit out there that you can't find with your head all caught up in needing evidence
basically what i'm saying is go fucking crazy and be awesome
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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: g00ru]
#14386015 - 05/01/11 11:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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guruu said: You probably won't jive with this but the way I've got it figured out, there is your being. This being can connect with the mind. When it does so, and "you" are actively in your head thinking, this is intellect. When the mind is just flowing but you are really "doing" it, that's just mind.
Seems like an unnecessarily complicated ontology... why not scrap the vague and undefinable idea of "being" and, instead, simply differentiate between an engaged and unengaged mind?
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engaged with what? for me, being is an extremely definable idea in the sense that i see it everywhere. it's not semantically definable, obviously.
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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: g00ru]
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If it's semantically undefinable then how can you even use the word? What do you mean by seeing "being" everywhere?
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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: deCypher]
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everything is, therefor everything has being. it's the foundation of everything, the first manifest object. and it's synonymous with your self (which is, obviously). That's why it's sometimes known as spirit, because it's practically magic since it's just the foundation of everything.
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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: g00ru]
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guruu said: everything is, therefor everything has being.
So you're defining being as the property of existence? OK, so the Universe and my self has being because they exist. This seems like something wholly different from your use of "being" as a substance that you were saying can connect to our mind. Rather, I would say that I have both a body and a mind and both of these have being in that both of them exist.
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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: deCypher]
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Jesus Christ, I come back to this thread and see all this hahahaha.
I define wisdom as the process of trying to end suffering. By that I don't mean suffering causes wisdom. I mean trying to END suffering creates wisdom. You can't just stab yourself in the stomach and call yourself wise.
Now wisdom is not only first-hard, but also second-hand. Now I don't have any personal experience with heavier opiates. However, I've learned from the mistakes of others and gained their wisdom. Don't fuck with heroin. I have never done heroin, but I have the wisdom to NOT do it, dig?
I think what helps me, is now I feel like I have a good barometer to determine what is good advice and what isn't. Also I am OPEN enough to more wisdom. For awhile, I wasn't. Some people try to help and give "wisdom" when they're spouting bullshit.
I am starting on my path though. I might actually try that meditation for 10 days thing. Not anytime soon. I am not ready for it. I will never truly be ready, but there will come a time when I will be ready enough to benefit.
It's late, but I should post more about my new path soon.
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I define wisdom as the process of trying to end suffering. By that I don't mean suffering causes wisdom. I mean trying to END suffering creates wisdom. You can't just stab yourself in the stomach and call yourself wise.
I would define something like that as "selfishness".
Not that there is anything wrong with that, but to take such a basic thing and call it "wisdom" seems sketchy at best.
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wow that sure is a lot of help you got real fast!
are the answers what you were seeking?
if not, maybe your question can be adjusted.
adjusting the question-ing might be a full time job.
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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: Cups]
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I define wisdom as the process of trying to end suffering. By that I don't mean suffering causes wisdom. I mean trying to END suffering creates wisdom. You can't just stab yourself in the stomach and call yourself wise.
I would define something like that as "selfishness".
Not that there is anything wrong with that, but to take such a basic thing and call it "wisdom" seems sketchy at best.
Man, the fuck you on?
How in the hell is seeking to end suffering "selfish"? Ending suffering is the most SELFLESS thing you can do. As a seeker of truth and of wisdom, your primary goal SHOULD be to end suffering. Jesus some people...
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redgreenvines said: wow that sure is a lot of help you got real fast!
are the answers what you were seeking?
if not, maybe your question can be adjusted.
adjusting the question-ing might be a full time job.
Honestly, if an answer answers my question, I see it as knowledge. If an answer changes my question, I see it as wisdom.
Both knowledge and wisdom are good, however whenever possible I'd prefer wisdom.
And I just see things slightly different now. I realized certain things about me.
For instance, I'm a changer. I need constant change and adventure in my life. I can't stay doing one thing for too long. It's just something to keep in mind. So I need to lead a life where I don't get stuck in a rut. I need constant change and stimulation.
My current path is trying to figure out how to live a stable, normal life while still changing. Or if it's even possible, or if I even WANT a normal, stable life.
I'm pretty sure I want a wife and kids and a good job, BUT maybe that's just not me. Maybe I need more stimulation than that. But on the other end of the spectrum, too much change is disorientating and has many drawbacks.
I guess my next "quest" is on the nature of change. Change is inevitable, but the extent is variable.
I've given up really asking questions, I just have random musings and I'm open to wisdom.
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I define wisdom as the process of trying to end suffering. By that I don't mean suffering causes wisdom. I mean trying to END suffering creates wisdom. You can't just stab yourself in the stomach and call yourself wise.
I would define something like that as "selfishness".
Not that there is anything wrong with that, but to take such a basic thing and call it "wisdom" seems sketchy at best.
Man, the fuck you on?
How in the hell is seeking to end suffering "selfish"? Ending suffering is the most SELFLESS thing you can do. As a seeker of truth and of wisdom, your primary goal SHOULD be to end suffering. Jesus some people...
How exactly is it selfless? How exactly is anything selfless? Everything we do, we do because we get some kind of benefit from it.
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Man, the fuck you on?
How in the hell is seeking to end suffering "selfish"? Ending suffering is the most SELFLESS thing you can do. As a seeker of truth and of wisdom, your primary goal SHOULD be to end suffering. Jesus some people...
Looks like I hit a nerve. As your Attorney I would advise following up on that and see why you're so uncomfortable with the idea.
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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: Cups]
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Intestinal worms?
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