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THC Drops/Green Dragon
    #14364140 - 04/27/11 10:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Alright so I dislike smoking, and I like the idea of being inconspicous and getting high in public so I thought Id make a cannibus tincture.

From what I have heard is that it gives more of a body high so the question is, does using a mostly sativa waste the herb?

Also what proof should I use? Some say you want 100 proof since the water absorbs some alkaloids/cannabinoids, others say you want like everclear.

If the tincture is too weak do I just leave the lid of the jar off in a dark area for some of the alchohol to evaporate or does this evaporate the active chemicals as well?

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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: d0urd3n]
    #14364175 - 04/27/11 10:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

the THC is going to bond to the alcohol;  everclear would be best.

feel free to put it under a fan to evaporate as much as you like.  you would normally use as much alcohol as possible, and evaporate as much as you want to get it to the strength you want, or you can evaporate all of the alcohol and be left with brown goo.  people call this (ethanol) hash oil.  you can smoke that or mix it with melted chocolate and eat it.  it is strong but delicious.


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: jingus]
    #14364312 - 04/27/11 11:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for this info man. Not sure on your amount of other tincture experience but would 100 proof be better for like a nettle extract, etc, because some sites I read say you want water as well to absorb some helpful properties. I guess if this is true I could just add water to the extract? What are your thoughts or knowledge about this? Or anyone for that matter.


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: d0urd3n]
    #14364333 - 04/27/11 11:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

geta magic flight launch box, they're stealthy and emit little odor. plus you can use the vapepoo and make some edibles


unless you're set on making a tincture, in which case i am of no help :frown:


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: d0urd3n]
    #14364372 - 04/27/11 11:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I like the idea of tinctures and don't smoke enough to make a vaperizer worth the moola. Thanks for the advice though :P


Do I have to use a fan or can I just leave it with the lid off in my closet?Or will this take too long? I don't have a fan haha.


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: d0urd3n]
    #14365179 - 04/28/11 04:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Why would it waste the herb if it was sativa? I understand the question and exactly why you asked but no it will not waste it you will get the same effect from sativa or indica.


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: skiddy]
    #14367838 - 04/28/11 04:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

So if I make other tinctures and want 100 proof can I simply add water? And how long will it take for like a quarter of the tincure to evaporate without a fan? Any ideas?


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: d0urd3n]
    #14367905 - 04/28/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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d0urd3n said:
So if I make other tinctures and want 100 proof can I simply add water? And how long will it take for like a quarter of the tincure to evaporate without a fan? Any ideas?




Don't add water. Use everclear. Leave it sitting somewhere to evaporate the alcohol until it's as concentrated as you want it to be.


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: healing]
    #14367979 - 04/28/11 04:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for the reply. But I heard you want 100 proof for most other herbs so I am wondering how true this is? Are there chemicals alcohol won't dissolve but water will?


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: d0urd3n]
    #14368100 - 04/28/11 04:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Thanks for the reply. But I heard you want 100 proof for most other herbs so I am wondering how true this is? Are there chemicals alcohol won't dissolve but water will?




im pretty sure this has been said but the HIGHER the proof the better its going to be the alcohol is the part you want not the water so dont add water i mean you can if you want but seems like a waste. anyways have fun with this my friend was trying to get me to help him make some we never did might though soon


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: d0urd3n]
    #14368136 - 04/28/11 04:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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d0urd3n said:
Thanks for the reply. But I heard you want 100 proof for most other herbs so I am wondering how true this is? Are there chemicals alcohol won't dissolve but water will?




THC is an oil, dude. Add water if you want, but it's not going to do anything other than making your solution take a lot longer to evaporate.


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: healing]
    #14368196 - 04/28/11 05:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I get that pure alcohol is the best for cannabis tinctures, however, generally speaking I have heard that 100 proof is best for most other herbs. What I am asking is the validity of this. Is there really anything water will dissolve but alchohol won't in most herbs?


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: d0urd3n]
    #14368299 - 04/28/11 05:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ummm my brains telling me no...because its just water and all plants would of already been extracted of the things that water could extract just from being out in the rain.


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: d0urd3n]
    #14368464 - 04/28/11 06:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Is there really anything water will dissolve but alchohol won't in most herbs?




Yes, most of what's inside the plant cells is water with various chemicals in solution.


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: healing]
    #14368853 - 04/28/11 07:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

So bottom line - use 200 proof for cannibus but add water for other herbs or no? The wording of the last post confused me.


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: d0urd3n]
    #14369260 - 04/28/11 08:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

YES USE FUCKING EVERCLEAR!!!!

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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: mattritt]
    #14369333 - 04/28/11 08:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

youre making this too complicated.

grind herbs

put herbs in gatorade bottle.

put everclear in gatorade bottle.

put bottle under yuor bed for some weeks or months.

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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: d0urd3n]
    #14369538 - 04/28/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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So bottom line - use 200 proof for cannibus but add water for other herbs or no? The wording of the last post confused me.




The only thing you want out of the cannabis is the oils that make you high. To dissolve those oils you need to use everclear.

In other plants there are numerous chemicals that could be considered useful in one way or another, some of these things need a polar solvent (like water), but some require a non-polar solvent (like alcohol).

It all depends on what you're trying to get out of the plant.

Just to reiterate:

USE EVERCLEAR TO EXTRACT THE THC.


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: healing]
    #14369976 - 04/28/11 10:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I've read a tek about heating the bud in the oven at a super low temperture to convert the cannabinoids to a more active form.  Does anyone know if this helps or not?


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: mattritt]
    #14369980 - 04/28/11 10:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I've read a tek about heating the bud in the oven at a super low temperture to convert the cannabinoids to a more active form.  Does anyone know if this helps or not?




it just gets it done faster

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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: k00laid]
    #14370029 - 04/28/11 10:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

So they will convert on their own?  Have you tried both methods?  I'm talking about heating the buds not double boiling it in the everclear just to clarify.


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: mattritt]
    #14370080 - 04/28/11 10:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

how would you go about heating your buds if not in the alcohol?


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: k00laid]
    #14370192 - 04/28/11 10:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

He just means in an oven...which, at least IME, works pretty well. I don't use it on dank bud much but on the very off chance I get less than chronic, 225-250 for 10-15 minutes or so works well. Sometimes REALLY well, you can even see interesting color changes (assuming you don't toast til brown) sometimes. It tends to make the stone heavier, you may get into a weird interesting state of extreme racing thoughts and complete inability to move. :lol: But this is really only applicable if you're gonna smoke it after baking...I think if you baked it into something or made a tincture it would reach that supposed point of supreme dankness along the way since cooking or evaping is so slow...unlike flame combustion which instantly brings it to burn++ (okay maybe less if you are skilled with a lighter and don't torch it lol).


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: KingEmblem]
    #14370303 - 04/28/11 11:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yea, for sure.  I would only think of using it if I were doing a cold extraction.  I think best method would be to heat it some in the alcohol, then let it sit, then heat again possibly, strain and reduce.  I'd want super potent tincture if using everclear.  Or if making Green Dragon to actually drink I'd use Bacardi 151 and let it sit for a longer amount of time.


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: mattritt]
    #14370504 - 04/29/11 12:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Great information. I've been thinking about doing this as well. Have any of you tried making a formulation such as.... X Grams for X liters of Everclear and letting it evaporate for X amount of time? Or is that just too much thought into something easy?


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: gauge]
    #14371890 - 04/29/11 09:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

1.For other herbs, Unlike what the majority of ^them^ say, an alcohol/water solution could be better.

Some herbs have more than one drug in them, and those could be water soluble or ethanol soluble.  Mushrooms is just one example of this where people say a small amount of H2O is best (not too much).


2. Put it in the oven at a low heat (look it up) for about 5 minutes (while the weed is dry)  to Decarboxylate the herb.  This is what happens when you smoke herb, and makes it more potent.  This is also why nobody eats plain weed without cooking it...  Look it up.

After that, mix with everclear. 

There is no formula, but the way things like this work is that the more everclear you have, the more easily it will leech into the solution out of the weed.  Also, the longer you have it sitting in there, the better (go till you're impatient).

at the end, evaporate as much as you want


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: jingus]
    #14372223 - 04/29/11 11:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

jingus, what temp should you decarboxylate at?


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: mattritt]
    #14372651 - 04/29/11 01:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

yeah I've heated my bud in the oven before at a low temp, worked very well:thumbup:


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: mattritt]
    #14372945 - 04/29/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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jingus, what temp should you decarboxylate at?




I believe he specified "look it up" degrees Fahrenheit. :lol:

Most guides I'm seeing call out for 110C (230F) for varying lengths of time.

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The boiling point of marijuana's active cannabinoids ranges from 260-392 degrees F.




Cool tek for exactly what you're doing :smile:
http://www.rollitup.org/cooking-cannabis/189191-green-dragon-tincture.html

This guy heats it at 325F. Might be too hot, but he only does it for 5 minutes. :shrug:


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14373352 - 04/29/11 03:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Does the THCA turn into THC by sitting in the ethyl alcohol or does it have to be decarboxylated in the oven? Any of you guys know enough chemistry to be sure of the answer? This seems to be disputed a lot.


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: d0urd3n]
    #14373377 - 04/29/11 03:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

After I sent this and it redirected me back I realized this had never refreshed to sorry if one of you already addressed this. I am driving on my phone so I can read it all so sorry if it's answered. I'll read the posts when I get home.


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: d0urd3n]
    #14373439 - 04/29/11 04:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I doubt it would in the alcohol unless its a natural part of its degredation kind of like curing it.  I'd imagine the alcohol would keep it pretty much the same.  But if someone who knows better can prove me wrong that'd be cool. :grin:


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: mattritt]
    #14377199 - 04/30/11 11:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i know this is about alcohol tincures, but why not consider using glycerine instead? its cheap, effective and tasty.`

i made a glycerine tincture last week, it'll work with alcohol too, i used 3g of good homegrown weed to 60ml of glycerine, mind you exactly what i did wont be possible for everyone since i have the lab equitment, though it can be made to work. i used a 100ml beaker with the cannabis/glycerine on a electric hotplate/stirrer. what i did; 3g cannabis to 60ml glycerine (food grade!) cover the cannabis in the glycerine- then mix ( i used the magnetic stirrer) heat to 110C with heavy stirring (its my understanding that THCa decarboxylates to THC at 106C) for an hour or more. i heated for 4 hours in total, only 2 of those hours where at 110C. filter the cannabis from the glycerine (while hot) with a metal strainer a few times, then a loose filter paper if you want, its not neccecary (i used fabric teabags, a bit of cloth would work great) and put in a dropper bottle.

you can use a jar with the cannabis/solvent mix in a pressure cooker for an hour too, which would probably be more convenient since this site is about mushroom growing.  the great thing is i only need about 3ml under the toungue to get high and then after very sleepy/relaxed, you can add a drop to a bowl to keep it burning for longer too which is nice.

and im pretty sure cannabis decarboxylates naturally with time which is why you can just leave a ticture at room temp for ~1 month for the same results as using heat. you dont need to bake the cannabis in the oven before unless you plan on letting it seep at room temp, it will decarboxylate itself during the making of the tincure if you use enough heat to get it to 110C.

im no expert though, just going by experience and a bit of knowledge. hope some of it was useful  :bongload: :vaped:


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: Tcm19277]
    #14379518 - 04/30/11 08:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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i know this is about alcohol tincures, but why not consider using glycerine instead? its cheap, effective and tasty.`

i made a glycerine tincture last week, it'll work with alcohol too, i used 3g of good homegrown weed to 60ml of glycerine, mind you exactly what i did wont be possible for everyone since i have the lab equitment, though it can be made to work. i used a 100ml beaker with the cannabis/glycerine on a electric hotplate/stirrer. what i did; 3g cannabis to 60ml glycerine (food grade!) cover the cannabis in the glycerine- then mix ( i used the magnetic stirrer) heat to 110C with heavy stirring (its my understanding that THCa decarboxylates to THC at 106C) for an hour or more. i heated for 4 hours in total, only 2 of those hours where at 110C. filter the cannabis from the glycerine (while hot) with a metal strainer a few times, then a loose filter paper if you want, its not neccecary (i used fabric teabags, a bit of cloth would work great) and put in a dropper bottle.

you can use a jar with the cannabis/solvent mix in a pressure cooker for an hour too, which would probably be more convenient since this site is about mushroom growing.  the great thing is i only need about 3ml under the toungue to get high and then after very sleepy/relaxed, you can add a drop to a bowl to keep it burning for longer too which is nice.

and im pretty sure cannabis decarboxylates naturally with time which is why you can just leave a ticture at room temp for ~1 month for the same results as using heat. you dont need to bake the cannabis in the oven before unless you plan on letting it seep at room temp, it will decarboxylate itself during the making of the tincure if you use enough heat to get it to 110C.

im no expert though, just going by experience and a bit of knowledge. hope some of it was useful  :bongload: :vaped:





You beat me to the idea.



But you guys are going to love how simple and effectively I made my last glycerin tincture :smile:

Alright tried tested and proved... all you need to do my freind is buy yourself 16-18 ounces of food grade glycerin. Will not cost you more than 10 dollars on amazon. Then get yourself a small croc pot. Simply pour in the glycerin, chop up all your bud and trim, and dump it in. Put it on a low-med temp and leave it for 8-12 hours.

I used 50 gram of (mostly) trim and bud, and the stuff is incredibly strong, and tastes like a sweet cannabis candy :grin:. The glycerin gives it a bit of a sugary taste, and its super sweet and pleasing if you enjoy the taste of cannabis at all. Also, it is incredibly potent. The trim came from a couple of white widow plants and one vanilla kush plant.

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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
    #14379555 - 04/30/11 09:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Thc isn't soluable at all in water only in alcohol, fats, and oils so you don't need any water the higher the proof the better.


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: Love2trip]
    #14381575 - 05/01/11 07:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I don't know why you would go through all the trouble with alcohol when you can just use glycerin, making a way easier, less messy, and better tasting product :shrug: fuck booze


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
    #14381637 - 05/01/11 08:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I've made this a few times.  What I did was grind up a few grams of bud, then put it in the oven for five minutes at about 250.  As soon as it started to smell I pulled it out.  Turns from bright green to brownish golden.  Took the bud, put into 3 oz of ever clear, and put that on a double boiler on the stove.

Kept at 150-170 for 20 minutes (if the alcohol starts to boil, I lower my temp, trying to keep it just under boiling).  It should be noted that ever clear is flammable, as are its vapors.  I use an electric stove with a hood vent and havn't had any problems, but I'm sure if you look there's some horror stories about someone burning down their house making this.  Just don't be stupid.

After 20-ish minutes, my 3 oz has turned to 2 and I remove from heat and place in my bottle.  I usually use an 8th for 3oz of everclear, and by the time its finished 3-5 mL is my preferred dose.  I've heard of people using it sublingually, I just put mine in a soda or beer and drink it.  Your end product (as far as I know) should be golden brown in color, not green.

There's tons of guides and other resources online about this, the trouble is that there is also a lot of conflicting info.  This is how I do it, it works for me, and I love it.


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: poppin123]
    #14385160 - 05/01/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The thing is I have easy access to alcohol and I don't care about the taste much, but glycerin is a great idea. Still wondering if THCA turns into THC just simply over time. I have heard some say its better to not cook it just leave it natural in the alcohol for a month. Some say its the same either way, some say you have to cook it. I don't know why this topic has so many conflicting views. Seems like it would be relatively basic chemistry? But I got a D in chem. so what do I know.


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: d0urd3n]
    #14386413 - 05/02/11 01:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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d0urd3n said:
Still wondering if THCA turns into THC just simply over time. I have heard some say its better to not cook it just leave it natural in the alcohol for a month.





cooking it de-carboxylates it, making it more potent

not cooking it and just extracting into everclear does not, but will still get you stoned


i don't know if the difference is very big, but it should be better if baked for a bit (just not too much)


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Re: THC Drops/Green Dragon [Re: jingus]
    #14386810 - 05/02/11 03:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

tinctures never seem to do it for me for some reason.

i would look into cannamilk for a nice buzz, you can freeze it as icecubes and use it whenever that way


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