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Re: Is death a state of consciousness? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14397867 - 05/04/11 12:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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A lot of people, including myself, are convinced by OBEs and NDEs that some aspect of the personality survives death. Many cultures saw life as a preparation for death.




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Re: Is death a state of consciousness? [Re: Crasher]
    #14411068 - 05/06/11 04:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Since this is all hypothesis it would have been wise of you to allow a possibility of it not being true.
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I do allow for that possibility (however improbable it may be).



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Poid said:
Reading comprehension much? I said that the belief in a persisting state of consciousness after death is indicative of death anxiety.




Where did you say that...?


It was implied by what I said, I didn't use those exact words.


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My reading comprehension must be screwed, because you certainly said this: "By definition, no, but I can see why believing so might ease your death anxiety."

and then this:" take death out of the picture, and the result will be that many anxieties regarding it will fade."

The key words "easing" and "fade" have led me to believe that you're suggesting this after-death consciousness is a belief used to alleviate the believer's death anxiety.


It alleviates conscious death anxiety, but it doesn't completely get rid of any lingering unconscious anxieties about death.


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I'm asking you, how does the acceptance of a post-mortem state of consciousness in any way ease death anxiety?


It's pretty simple--the prospect of death causes people to experience anxiety, and the prospect of an afterlife reduces this anxiety in many (because the prospect of death is reduced to something that is non-threatening).


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Is death a state of consciousness? [Re: bigmike7104]
    #14411109 - 05/06/11 04:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Saying "you only think so because of death anxiety :satansmoking: " is basically a useless response; it's an ad-hominem (even a strawman) argument.


I agree that if one makes a comment regarding a particular user's death anxiety, it would be considered an ad hominem, and even a strawman; however, I don't think that simply mentioning that the belief in an afterlife may be caused by death anxiety can be considered either an ad hominem or a strawman. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that this is true; I haven't seen any convincing arguments to the contrary.



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and poid, since when has the mystery of consciousness been solved.


I never said it has--it is understood to a certain extent, but is not yet completely understood. What we understand so far is that it is an emergent property of a functioning brain--there is much evidence to support this theory.


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also just because an experience of something like say a feeling can be located in part of the brain, doesn't mean that part of the brain is the cause of the subjective experience of that feeling. it could be that's just where in the brain it's represented.


Yes, I know all about this and the "neural correlates of consciousness" theory--none of this suggests that consciousness isn't an emergent property of a functioning brain.


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Is death a state of consciousness? [Re: Poid]
    #14415860 - 05/07/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i believe in the afterlife, reincarnation, etc. for various reasons but the main one being that even after the death of the body, i know it will never not be "now." the moment can't go anywhere.  Also, we gots dream bodies.

also i live in a fantasy world and have turned my life into a mythological epic

also wtf reincarnation explains why life is so unfair, it's cause it goes beyond birth and death and ultimately its all equal

also did you know that you can increase the amount of facial hair you have just by visualizing yourself with more facial hair

also did you know that masturbating too much makes you less attractive to girls

also did you know that all atheists have no idea what is how to do more look like?


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Re: Is death a state of consciousness? [Re: g00ru]
    #14415952 - 05/07/11 04:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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also wtf reincarnation explains why life is so unfair, it's cause it goes beyond birth and death and ultimately its all equal






Or it's because people are fucking retarded


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Re: Is death a state of consciousness? [Re: Poid]
    #14416285 - 05/07/11 06:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

the heaven or hell state you speak of relates to one's personal vibration.  raise it high enough and you can experience bliss and heaven, drop it low enough and you experience depression, hell, negativity.


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Re: Is death a state of consciousness? [Re: Amsu Jackal]
    #14416324 - 05/07/11 06:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

in this life, and the next


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Re: Is death a state of consciousness? [Re: g00ru]
    #14416839 - 05/07/11 10:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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i believe in the afterlife, reincarnation, etc. for various reasons but the main one being that even after the death of the body, i know it will never not be "now." the moment can't go anywhere.  Also, we gots dream bodies.


What do you mean by "the moment can't go anywhere", and "dream bodies"?


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also i live in a fantasy world and have turned my life into a mythological epic


Yeah, I know--boredom is a bitch, ain't it? :lol:


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also wtf reincarnation explains why life is so unfair, it's cause it goes beyond birth and death and ultimately its all equal


Yeah, it eases people's personal fears regarding injustice, but is ultimately bullshit. There are plenty of viable, well-researched theories which explain in-depth why life is so unfair; reincarnation is unnecessary for this these explanations.


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also did you know that you can increase the amount of facial hair you have just by visualizing yourself with more facial hair


Source? What do you think that proves, anyway, even if true?


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also did you know that masturbating too much makes you less attractive to girls


This sounds like silly superstition..proof?


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also did you know that all atheists have no idea what is how to do more look like?


"what is how to do more like"? Wow, I'm not sure how to interpret that awkward succession of words. :lol:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Is death a state of consciousness? [Re: Amsu Jackal]
    #14492203 - 05/22/11 12:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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the heaven or hell state you speak of relates to one's personal vibration.  raise it high enough and you can experience bliss and heaven, drop it low enough and you experience depression, hell, negativity.



Thanks for clarifying.


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