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Verm Substitute
    #14363619 - 04/27/11 09:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Question for you my brothas... Im making up some PF Cakes. Problem is, I ran out of Verm. I do have a bag of seed starter, which is 50% Verm and 50% either peat or sphagnum moss. Think I can tweak it to work? I am not actually totally out of verm, I just know I dont have enough. I have enouh to make it a 50/50 mix- which would ending up being in the neighborhood of 75/25 Verm/moss. If youve never seen it, It looks just like verm- just a lil browner. Consistency is pretty much the same.

If I do use it, ya think I should cut back on the BRF? Like maybe 1:2.5:1 or 1:3:1 (Brf: Verm mix:h2o)

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Re: Verm Substitute [Re: bateyes88]
    #14363651 - 04/27/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

pick up some bird seed or rye grain and ditch the pf tek.


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Re: Verm Substitute [Re: bateyes88]
    #14363661 - 04/27/11 09:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I would think that would work OK. A lot of people use the peat in casings so theoretically it should work. I've never used any peat in anything so don't take my word.

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Re: Verm Substitute [Re: bateyes88]
    #14363664 - 04/27/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Peat moss is often added to raise the pH of your sub or casing layer. I would just use the 50/50 premade stuff you have :smile::thumbup:


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Re: Verm Substitute [Re: shroomybgood]
    #14363691 - 04/27/11 09:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It could work, but would probably require pH adjustment. Sphagnum peat moss is too acidic, and without the addition of some calcium hydroxide/calcium carbonate you're destined for failure. And with that recipe, you might be screwed either way, although if the pH is right it =could= work out. Don't forget that the vermiculite is part of the PF tek recipe for a very specific reason, and for that purpose peat moss will not substitute (bit too soggy, not enough aeration, I 'magine). Seriously, just buy some WBS, follow RR's grain prep video, and spend the colonization time preparing yourself for the rest of your mycological life.


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Re: Verm Substitute [Re: Itheus]
    #14363848 - 04/27/11 09:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

wait till yoiu have more verm. Like said, peat moss will likely make the mixture too soggy and be hard to colinise. verm is there to give the substrate a light mix and also to hold water.


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Re: Verm Substitute [Re: veda_sticks]
    #14363865 - 04/27/11 09:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think some people here are forgetting that verm is used regardless of the substrate tek. If you're doing BRF cakes it's a much higher percentage, but if you're using WBS to bulk (hpoo/coir) you still use a quart or two of straight verm.


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Re: Verm Substitute [Re: afrosheen]
    #14364206 - 04/27/11 10:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I think some people here are forgetting that verm is used regardless of the substrate tek. If you're doing BRF cakes it's a much higher percentage, but if you're using WBS to bulk (hpoo/coir) you still use a quart or two of straight verm.




True enough, but don't assume everyone does what you do. While I always use a bit of verm in my bulk, I've had great success without, and I know of many mycologists who don't add verm to bulk. Just a thought.


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Re: Verm Substitute [Re: bateyes88]
    #14364243 - 04/27/11 10:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

75/25 verm/peat should get you through in a pinch.  Don't alter the recipe except perhaps to use less water if necessary.  Don't adjust the pH with lime.  It will be fine.  Mushroom mycelium prefers an acidic substrate.  In fact, I adjust my water to pH 5 with vinegar when making bulk substrates.
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Re: Verm Substitute [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14374088 - 04/29/11 06:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Awesome. Thanks, guys. As many of you know, Ive been having PC dramas... 1 exploded, got ripped off on another- I fully intend on going back to grain, but I want to use up my stockpile of brown rice that I accumulated while w/o a PC. Many thanks to aintgotnojob for hooking me up w a new PC. What an awesome community we're a part of!!!!!


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