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starcade
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shaking those "tough jars"
#14363605 - 04/27/11 09:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i'm dealing with some WBS quart jars, and they are clumping up terribly...i was beating on one for ten minutes, and my hand is sore as hell, and it didn't even break up the clump i was trying to..their has got to be an easier way..any advice, or am i doomed to having sore hands/wrists lol?
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Re: shaking those "tough jars" [Re: starcade]
#14363777 - 04/27/11 09:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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starcade said: i'm dealing with some WBS quart jars, and they are clumping up terribly...i was beating on one for ten minutes, and my hand is sore as hell, and it didn't even break up the clump i was trying to..their has got to be an easier way..any advice, or am i doomed to having sore hands/wrists lol?
have you watched the RR vidz?
Bike tire
phonebook
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arm of chair/couch
why do you want to break up the grain?
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Re: shaking those "tough jars" [Re: Barakanaten]
#14363828 - 04/27/11 09:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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na but i will need to look at those vids, thanks.
i was wantin to break them up because it seems to spread quicker when broken up.
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Re: shaking those "tough jars" [Re: starcade]
#14363839 - 04/27/11 09:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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dont be shaking those jars too much. You only want to do it once at 20% then once they are done when you are spawning.
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Re: shaking those "tough jars" [Re: starcade]
#14363852 - 04/27/11 09:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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What % of colonization are these at? 20% or so? If so, then shaking definitely helps. Beat it on a big phone book, which is probably all phone books are good for these days minus a monitor stand.
Next time, use some gypsum during your soak/simmer step. It helps prevent clumping, even after partial colonization.
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Re: shaking those "tough jars" [Re: starcade]
#14363857 - 04/27/11 09:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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starcade said: na but i will need to look at those vids, thanks.
i was wantin to break them up because it seems to spread quicker when broken up.
Only shake at 20-30% and only shake once.
If you are having a hard time shaking/breaking it apart then I cant see it being 20-30%
I could see it being 100%, what percent colonized is your grain jar?
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Re: shaking those "tough jars" [Re: Barakanaten]
#14364237 - 04/27/11 10:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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eh, it's prolly about 15% done now..i wasn't aware shaking it multiple times hurt it..what does it cause?
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Re: shaking those "tough jars" [Re: starcade]
#14364263 - 04/27/11 10:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It costs the mycelium energy (read: their food supply i.e. grain) to re-knit and recolonize each time you shake. 20% is safe because there's plenty of nutrition left. If you shake them over and over every few days they'll spend too much energy reknitting and possibly burn up a lot of h2o in the process. At least, I think that's the popular reason for not over-shaking.
Once at 20%, maybe once at 80% and you're done. That's all the shaking you should need to do if all your conditions are right. Alot of people do that second shake at 80% to get the straggler sections that may take much longer to colonize on their own. If you get your "swirl shake" technique down you can probably skip the 80% shake...but it's usually just luck.
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Re: shaking those "tough jars" [Re: starcade]
#14364270 - 04/27/11 10:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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imagine getting beat up then once you were starting to feel better you get your ass kicked again... after a couple of these you wouldn't even have the energy to procreate...
use that analogy for mushrooms...
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Re: shaking those "tough jars" [Re: bait_]
#14364277 - 04/27/11 10:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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bait_ said: imagine getting beat up then once you were starting to feel better you get your ass kicked again... after a couple of these you wouldn't even have the energy to procreate...
use that analogy for mushrooms...
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Re: shaking those "tough jars" [Re: starcade]
#14364281 - 04/27/11 10:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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How far along is the jar in question and how often are you shaking?
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starcade
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alright, thank you everyone. no more shaking for me...lol
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Re: shaking those "tough jars" [Re: starcade]
#14364362 - 04/27/11 11:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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starcade said: i'm dealing with some WBS quart jars, and they are clumping up terribly...i was beating on one for ten minutes, and my hand is sore as hell, and it didn't even break up the clump i was trying to..their has got to be an easier way..any advice, or am i doomed to having sore hands/wrists lol?
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Re: shaking those "tough jars" [Re: starcade]
#14364478 - 04/27/11 11:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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starcade said: alright, thank you everyone. no more shaking for me...lol
no worries man, just hang out on this page for a minute and soak it all in.
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Re: shaking those "tough jars" [Re: Barakanaten]
#14364598 - 04/27/11 11:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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starcade said: alright, thank you everyone. no more shaking for me...lol
no worries man, just hang out on this page for a minute and soak it all in.
appreciate it, i've done three successful grows so far, well, not successful to the quantitys i desire, but as far as potency goes, all was well, so I'm just trying to perfect it as of now..ppreciate it.
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