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 Kemist
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 why become a parent 
#1436360 - 04/07/03 01:53 PM (21 years, 14 days ago) |
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i have nothing against parents. hell, i have a couple myself.
i do see a problem with having children though. there are far to many humans and at the rate we consume and destroy i don't see much hope for the human experiment. this isn't meant to save the world as most us try to come across as when we give opinions.
however, i say no kids and if you want kids, adopt.
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Shdwstr
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Re: why become a parent [Re: Kemist]
#1436378 - 04/07/03 01:59 PM (21 years, 14 days ago) |
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You obviously don't have kids of your own...
If you like, you can blame me personally for the dire straits of the population explosion... I have seven  and my son has four more!
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Alobar
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Re: why become a parent [Re: Kemist]
#1436379 - 04/07/03 02:00 PM (21 years, 14 days ago) |
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Let's send some moss to colonize mars and then jump over ourselves after a little while... Intelligence like a virus... Spreading across the cosmos in a nutrient sucking vacuum of a space ship... One tube feeds another tube...
Or has that been tried already?
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rommstein2001
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Re: why become a parent [Re: Alobar]
#1436392 - 04/07/03 02:05 PM (21 years, 14 days ago) |
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It is our duty as parasites. We eat at a planet, and soon we'll move to another, build it up and eat it.
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Re: why become a parent [Re: Kemist]
#1436695 - 04/07/03 03:57 PM (21 years, 14 days ago) |
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If intelligent people stop having kids, then the dumb people will surely outbreed them . hmmm, come to think of it, one can argue we have already reached that point... 
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Re: why become a parent [Re: Kemist]
#1437303 - 04/07/03 07:14 PM (21 years, 14 days ago) |
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With the population growth also comes a growth in the form of knowledge. It has been just over forty years since we put the first human in space. Where do you think the next forty will lead us. Remember knowledge is exponential.
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Re: why become a parent [Re: Kemist]
#1437389 - 04/07/03 07:51 PM (21 years, 14 days ago) |
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Because Everyoone in your family line before you down to the single celled organisms had kids, and built your genetic code nucleotide by nucleotide. Trillions oof years oof evolution man.
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Murex
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Re: why become a parent [Re: chodamunky]
#1437546 - 04/07/03 08:57 PM (21 years, 14 days ago) |
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If intelligent people stop having kids, then the dumb people will surely outbreed them . hmmm, come to think of it, one can argue we have already reached that point...
True. But how do you stop dumb people from breeding when thats all they know how to do? And don't say birth control, cuz that ain't workin.
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 Re: why become a parent [Re: Murex]
#1438555 - 04/08/03 07:10 AM (21 years, 14 days ago) |
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ya gotta love pete seeger:
be kind to your parents
though they don't deserve it
remember that "grown-ups" is a difficult stage of life
they're apt to be nervous
and overexcited
confused by their daily storm and strife
just keep in mind
though is seems hard, i know
most parents were children long ago - incredible!
so treat them with patience
and kind understanding
in spite of the foolish things they do
some day you might wake up
and find
you're a parent
too
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Re: why become a parent [Re: gnrm23]
#1438843 - 04/08/03 10:05 AM (21 years, 13 days ago) |
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People have been proclaiming the end of mankind due to population explosion for decades. According to several "forward thinkers" in the 70's, we were supposed to be to overcrowded by 1980 to survive as a species. Last I checked it was 2003 and we are still here. The truth of the matter is that there is plenty of land and food to go around for everyone and for years to come. The problem is how resources are distributed, not the amount of resources themselves. Anyways, we're more likely to kill ourselves from a nuclear holocaust or some natural disaster, way before we would reach the breaking point of population.
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Strumpling
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Re: why become a parent [Re: Kemist]
#1439002 - 04/08/03 11:08 AM (21 years, 13 days ago) |
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I was adopted, and I will adopt if I feel the need for a child in the future. As of now, though, I don't plan on raising any kids because I want to do my small part to slow overpopulation.
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Re: why become a parent [Re: Kemist]
#1440879 - 04/08/03 09:24 PM (21 years, 13 days ago) |
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Unless you have a long-time desire to be a parent, NOT a flash of an idea, or an ego trip to raise up a clone of yourself dressed in tiny designer clothes, or a sense that you might regret it if you don't, or because your parents want to become grandparents, or because your current 'girlfriend' (not wife) wants a baby, or because 'it's the thing to do,' but ONLY if you really want to dedicate a lot of time, energy, love and lifeforce over the next 20 years.
I'm a philosopher. It never even occurred to me to want to become a parent, and my sick ex-wife simply had a tubal ligation, rendering her sterile, without even discussing it with me, so even if I discovered the desire in myself, it wasn't possible. At this point of my life, I know that I made the right decision. I wouldn't even have married such a non-nurturing woman had I really wanted kids. It is not for everyone, and certainly not for an individual who requires much time alone, not to mention in silence. One does not expect one's wife (and I MEAN legally as well as spiritually) to bear, nurture and raise one's child[ren] single-handedly, while 'Dad' does his own thing in life.
If one does not plan on being a really good, dedicated parent; if it is not one's spiritual path, but seems to be an obstacle in one's path - one should definately NOT become a parent.
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Alobar
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Couldn't agree more!
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Re: why become a parent [Re: Strumpling]
#1440930 - 04/08/03 09:39 PM (21 years, 13 days ago) |
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Kemist, have you ever seen a baby born? Have you seen the look on the mothers face in pure ectasy even though she has been through hell? If you haven't you should (if you can stomach it! lol) It is the world itself. This is the one thing that God gave us that gives us true joy. And when it happens to you, under any circumstances, you will shudder with joy. You will weep inside. You will understand true love. When you have a child, you are touching, embracing, loving, God.
that is the meaning of life...to bequeth on to one what knowledge you possess.
For those who are not concerned with these aspects:
...It is also the one thing that anyone can do without others permission. Law, society, friends, and even family govern one's decisions. None of these influences usually disdain that of having a baby (unless you are a teenager, and even then I am not sure) And to be truthful once the egg is fertilized there is nothing to be done....unless you want to live, er, die with that decision forever.
Forces that be gave all of us a sex drive that can't be beat...why try to fight it? I don't think you will ever be able to take the animal out of us. We are not higher being like God. We are different. We have a conscience and beast instincts.
As an added note/
Almost anyone can have a child. Most people do not have the funds or "clout" to adopt. (a caucasion baby in the usa is around 30000-40000 if you don't want to be on a list to adopt which can be a min. of 10 years. If you want to go to China and get a little girl, still close to the same amount...now if you want to adopt an older child that is another story. Please keep in mind this society is so far from perfect...and most people wouldn't even qualify)
Life is precious in any form.... think about it.
Young Grasshopper, someday there will be an epiphany in your life and your heart will be heavy. Your urges will give you the answers of the missing link in your life. I hope that if you want it, you will have the strength to accept the gift of life and all that goes with it.
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Kemist
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i will have no child ...
i think it selfish to bring life to this earth to "complete me". life is far to precious for me to just bring a child into this world to make my happy or give me the illusion that i am complete. life has granted me enough resources mentally and physically to find matters of that sort. i respect life and that why i say no to life.
if you want a child, adopt
just because you don't get the 9 months and the birth doesn't mean that child isn't yours and doesn't mean its less fulfilling in any way.
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Re: why become a parent [Re: Kemist]
#1443392 - 04/09/03 02:17 PM (21 years, 12 days ago) |
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the idea of passing on my genes and watching them grow is pretty cool to me, so I don't think I'd be too likely to adopt unless I had to. I think we're designed to enjoy raising children, because if we didn't enjoy it then we wouldn't do it which means we wouldn't be here. I don't know how you could call an experience of completeness or happiness as an illusion. Everything's an illusion by that logic, and I don't really think adoption is the same thing. Obviously it's very similar, but there are still some mind trips unique to each of those. If you raise your own it's like "woah I'm raising my own DNA" or if you raise someone else's then it's like "woah, I'm raising someone else's DNA." It's all good as far as I can tell, and it all comes down to whatever arbitrary beliefs you choose to have.
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Re: why become a parent [Re: Dogomush]
#1444492 - 04/09/03 08:19 PM (21 years, 12 days ago) |
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Well said. Peace and Elbow Love for all, whatever thier beliefs may be.
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It has been in my dreams to have a child of my own without having to adopt, and I agree with dogomush about the passing of my genes being a very kewl idea. And now I discover as of recent that this may not be a possible option of having children for me due to medical reasons. And that hurts inside. Maybe you choose not to have children and I'm sure you have your reasons...but try having the feeling to know that you will NEVER be able to have children...kinda puts a new perspective on things. Course I guess it is different for a woman...
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Kemist
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Re: why become a parent [Re: Jenherself]
#1467612 - 04/17/03 02:37 PM (21 years, 4 days ago) |
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damn,
my brother is adopted and he has the same love we all have for one another in my family. its not genes you should be concerned with or the 9 months with child. theres the other 16- 18 years of raising a child to look foward too.
the genes argument ... lame
its the mind of the child that matters and when they hand your kid over for the first time .... birth or adoption. they're both equally wonderful moments.
this is a conscious person and your the parent ... i see no diff
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Re: why become a parent [Re: Kemist]
#1467844 - 04/17/03 03:56 PM (21 years, 4 days ago) |
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i think its selfish to bring life to this earth to "complete me". life is far to precious for me to just bring a child into this world to make me happy or give me the illusion that i am complete. life has granted me enough resources mentally and physically to find matters of that sort. i respect life and that why i say no to life.
very true kemist.
but what no one has thought about is why is there so many diseases out there and medical problems? think about it. its always been around. the more population the more problems.
i could go on for hours on this but just give it a thought.
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