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TheCreampie



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A mind without any external input.
#14363520 - 04/27/11 08:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Suppose there is a human baby born, it has no concept of the external world. It cannot feel, see, hear, touch, taste. It is just the mind itself. What makes up a consciousness is the input and feedback we receive from out senses, without it, are we still something?
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Re: A mind without any external input. [Re: TheCreampie]
#14363542 - 04/27/11 08:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's fuckin deep bro, good thought. I believe there would still be conciosness however not in any concept as we percieve conciousness.
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TheCreampie



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Re: A mind without any external input. [Re: briant230]
#14363644 - 04/27/11 09:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I was hoping for maybe some scientific explanation for this. If there is a blockade to the external world, parts of the brain would have no use.
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Re: A mind without any external input. [Re: TheCreampie]
#14365039 - 04/28/11 02:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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nothing exists in a void. this is like asking if a tree falls and no one hears it did it really fall?
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Re: A mind without any external input. [Re: TheCreampie]
#14365096 - 04/28/11 03:26 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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it did fall, no one was aware of it though.
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TheCreampie said: Suppose there is a human baby born, it has no concept of the external world. It cannot feel, see, hear, touch, taste. It is just the mind itself. What makes up a consciousness is the input and feedback we receive from out senses, without it, are we still something?
that's a tricky one, I have no scientific explanation to give you and I think that it would probably difficult for you to have it since there's probably no related case studied of someone born without the ability of perceiving anything at all.
You're basically exemplifying a baby born a vegetable, and if you have no means of awareness you probably won't be able of being aware of things. That's basically like someone in a coma who lost all their memory, ability to hear and feel
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Re: A mind without any external input. [Re: pouihi]
#14365226 - 04/28/11 04:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Put urself in a sensory deprivation tank n see for urself. I went in one n its amazing where ur mind will take u
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Re: A mind without any external input. [Re: dazzassj6]
#14365295 - 04/28/11 05:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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something like what it looks like when u take dmt? just guessing
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Re: A mind without any external input. [Re: dazzassj6]
#14365297 - 04/28/11 05:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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dazzassj6 said: Put urself in a sensory deprivation tank n see for urself. I went in one n its amazing where ur mind will take u
ooh? can u give more details on that? sounds interesting
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Re: A mind without any external input. [Re: TheCreampie]
#14365457 - 04/28/11 07:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It wouldn't have any memories to think with, so the mind would be empty, and thus, nonexistent.
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Re: A mind without any external input. [Re: TheCreampie]
#14365585 - 04/28/11 07:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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He sure plays a mean pinball.
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Re: A mind without any external input. [Re: xFrockx]
#14365639 - 04/28/11 07:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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pouihi said: it did fall, no one was aware of it though.
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TheCreampie said: Suppose there is a human baby born, it has no concept of the external world. It cannot feel, see, hear, touch, taste. It is just the mind itself. What makes up a consciousness is the input and feedback we receive from out senses, without it, are we still something?
that's a tricky one, I have no scientific explanation to give you and I think that it would probably difficult for you to have it since there's probably no related case studied of someone born without the ability of perceiving anything at all.
You're basically exemplifying a baby born a vegetable, and if you have no means of awareness you probably won't be able of being aware of things. That's basically like someone in a coma who lost all their memory, ability to hear and feel 
good point, Quote:
TheCreampie said: Suppose there is a human baby born, it has no concept of the external world. It cannot feel, see, hear, touch, taste. It is just the mind itself. What makes up a consciousness is the input and feedback we receive from out senses, without it, are we still something?
this might better be thought of as a person in a coma - are they conscious? how do we know?
but still there is a problem with the baby - Quote:
xFrockx said: It wouldn't have any memories to think with, so the mind would be empty, and thus, nonexistent.
this is an interesting theory, but really, are memories necessary for consciousness? or do they just play a huge role in human consciousness? When you experience a moment, are you just experiencing your memory of it? or are you experiencing a moment that includes a memory of the past?
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Re: A mind without any external input. [Re: infectedstyle]
#14365838 - 04/28/11 09:00 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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seriously its hard to describe and i get mixed results between me and my girlfriend. I guess its your ability to adjust and zone out and not move around that affects where your mind takes u. But once your off, its a psychedelic trip.
My gf started hearing music in her head and seeing colors and patterns and stuff. I guess the brain really wants to give u give u stimulation wen you dont have any. Wat i experienced was physiological detachment. I didnt feel anything at all. My body was like in a mediated state, only the mind that is on dwelling deeper and deeper into each thought. But i guess the deeper you go the more you see stuff.
i think Joe Rogan describes it best for sensory deprivation.
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