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Serving in the U.S. military or thoughts about it.
    #14363379 - 04/27/11 08:24 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Have been watching Apocolypse now and am now watching Full Metal Jacket on Netflix. Have also watched the news and docs about Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and whatever is next.

Have met people that served in the military that thought it was as great as fuck with the opportunities it offers and the difference they were making in these people's lives, while others got sent home that I worked with and threw pots and pans around and told me before that they had no belief in God and got fired at the job I worked at during that time.

If you fought in any conflict or war, coould you be jaded, patriotic, maybe feeeling you were doing it for the greater good of the world?  Or how would you feel?  And if you did serve, as the saying goes, how did you feel from the experience?


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Re: Serving in the U.S. military or thoughts about it. [Re: timelapses]
    #14363415 - 04/27/11 08:30 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Honestly, Id probably off myself. I cant stand the thought of war, serving anyone but myself, becoming a monster to fight with the like, and all the pain.

The only people I know who have come back liking it have been very traditionalist people. They are the kind who think its great that they managed to kill so many people for their country:rolleyes:

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    #14363555 - 04/27/11 09:00 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

I gave it some serious consideration when I turned 18 and had no money for college. Then I came to my senses.

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Re: Serving in the U.S. military or thoughts about it. [Re: Wise Toad]
    #14363806 - 04/27/11 09:45 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

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Honestly, Id probably off myself. I cant stand the thought of war, serving anyone but myself, becoming a monster to fight with the like, and all the pain.

The only people I know who have come back liking it have been very traditionalist people. They are the kind who think its great that they managed to kill so many people for their country:rolleyes:




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Re: Serving in the U.S. military or thoughts about it. [Re: SWEDEN]
    #14364501 - 04/27/11 11:34 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

I would agree.  I thought of joining during the Clinton admin. when he was downsizing the budget but the military younings were always welcome, South Carolina.  But I had an contolled substance charge (lsd) so they rejected my application. 

Just feel a different vibe now, through the two Bush administrations and his father.  Needed a purpose in life, though now I see differently.  I feel different, maybe years of therapy, it's strange talking openingly to a trained college degree obtained person though I respect very few that have had any real understanding of the human experience.


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Re: Serving in the U.S. military or thoughts about it. [Re: timelapses]
    #14364557 - 04/27/11 11:46 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

To be honest, I despise the U.S. military.  Almost as much as I despise our government right now.  But I'll you what, if we ever go to war with China, and for a good reason, I'll enlist immediately.

I can't stand the Chinese government and all the BS they get away with.


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Re: Serving in the U.S. military or thoughts about it. [Re: timelapses]
    #14364594 - 04/27/11 11:55 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

personally, im not a big military person (as in i wouldnt join)

but i think if someone wants to join, good for them. its a great job and provides a lot of benefits not only for you, but your family as well.

my family is wayyyyy into the military, the navy specifically. if you get into the right niches within the military you will never see combat personally and you will make a ton of money.

it just isnt for some people though. (which you can clearly see on this forum :lol:)


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Re: Serving in the U.S. military or thoughts about it. [Re: SWEDEN]
    #14364644 - 04/28/11 12:07 AM (13 years, 24 days ago)

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I gave it some serious consideration when I turned 18 and had no money for college. Then I came to my senses.




Awesome.

Hey, PNW!

I could never serve in a military that is as inflated, overbearing and out of control as that of the U.S.A.

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Re: Serving in the U.S. military or thoughts about it. [Re: yessir] * 1
    #14365473 - 04/28/11 07:13 AM (13 years, 24 days ago)

joining the military is a great way to have all your basic needs met (at the cost of your personal freedom and a clean conscience). shit, you get housing, food, medical care, entertainment, a steady paycheck and after only twenty years of "sir, yes sir's" you get to retire with a monthly pension check for the rest of your days.

seems like a good gig to me if you can get past the moral and soul crushing consequences of it all :shrug:


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Re: Serving in the U.S. military or thoughts about it. [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14366920 - 04/28/11 01:17 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

"The thousand yard stare.  All marines got it and you will to."

I could never go into Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and whatever comes next with a good conscience.  But it's not all black and white.  The Navy helping tsunami people (I hate the word victims, it's bullshit and it's life, nature isn't going to come back to apologize to quote an Onion publication article) and with genocides and such, I could feel all right about fighting for that.


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Re: Serving in the U.S. military or thoughts about it. [Re: timelapses]
    #14366991 - 04/28/11 01:32 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)



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Re: Serving in the U.S. military or thoughts about it. [Re: foliocb]
    #14381220 - 05/01/11 03:43 AM (13 years, 21 days ago)

I don't think I could ever kill anyone.

I know people who have served in the military. Afghanistan and Iraq. At least five I can name off the top of my head whom I have seen after their tours of duty.

They all have PTSD.

War is about kill or be killed, thats it. A foreign country invades another country. The likelihood of that invaded country to fight against the other army is pretty much 100% if the invading country is aggressive.

So, if you can imagine how wars start, all it is, is dropping your army into another country and advancing, which pisses that country off.

Hell, if a country invaded the U.S., I'd be upset. That's how wars are usually started. Countries overstepping their boundaries.

My dad also told me of a story about Vietnam. One of his college friends was drafted and went to Vietnam. They were dropped into a field via helicopter. What did the squad do? They all stood in a circle and watched each other's six, not moving at all. They stayed there, not firing their weapons, and were picked up the following day. No one fired at them, probably because they understood that these guys would not fight at all.


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Re: Serving in the U.S. military or thoughts about it. [Re: timelapses]
    #14384538 - 05/01/11 07:49 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

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timelapses said:
If you fought in any conflict or war, coould you be jaded, patriotic, maybe feeeling you were doing it for the greater good of the world?





you ever dig a well by hand? ever dig that well for a village in a foreign
land, being 20 feet down a hole that's not shored up and could collapse on
you at any point, crushing and suffocating you at any time? sometimes the
benefits outweigh the risks, even in a firefight

I dont like to refer to myself as a patriot, patriots are those jackasses
the bought chinese made american flags after 9/11 to show how proud they
were to be americans, the same jackasses that have no clue what the
constitution says and want to restrict your rights to burn or wipe your
ass with the flag you bought, the same assholes that believe hate speech
shouldnt be protected and think of muslims as the boogie man because the
united states is a christian nation... fuck a buncha patriots

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Re: Serving in the U.S. military or thoughts about it. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14384650 - 05/01/11 08:09 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

I have a friend who I communicate with over XBL who is in the military and essentially dying and they won't do a goddam thing to help him. He is throwing up every meal and lost 20lbs of weight in the last month and they force him to keep working hard every day.

They get away with whatever they want, the place this dude lives is a small building housing over several hundred soldiers.

Fuck the military, their gonna kill my friend:sad:

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Re: Serving in the U.S. military or thoughts about it. [Re: Wise Toad]
    #14386139 - 05/01/11 11:45 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

Based on the track record of the US Army I would be morally against it.  Any amount of money offered to me would be like a deal with the devil, i would not take it for the love of my soul, and my future spiritual, emotional, and psychological health.

I don't believe in it, guns are for wussies anyways, war is so lame these days...


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Re: Serving in the U.S. military or thoughts about it. [Re: Shins]
    #14388889 - 05/02/11 02:20 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

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war is so lame these days...




as opposed to war back in these days?



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Re: Serving in the U.S. military or thoughts about it. [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14389538 - 05/02/11 04:09 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

No, i'm talking before guns and bombs where you had to stare your opponent in the eyes as you gored them with your blade.

Now you shoot some worg in the back from a KM away and you're a war hero.  :facepalm: The military is LAME stick to COD on your PS3 you'll thank me later.


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Re: Serving in the U.S. military or thoughts about it. [Re: timelapses]
    #14390357 - 05/02/11 06:24 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

> And if you did serve, as the saying goes, how did you feel from the experience?

I didn't serve in the military, but I worked pretty closely with the military as a civilian contractor.  A lot of it boils down to you and what you want.  If you are officer material, want a lifetime career, and are willing to put up with a decade of bullshit for a huge payout, then the military is a pretty good gig.  If the former doesn't match you, then it is a pretty crappy path to take.  (I use the term "officer" lightly... I have several immediate family members that are high ranking enlisted that would be offended by my statements.  They are proof that you can make a decent living in the military without following the officer path, but it is much harder.)


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Re: Serving in the U.S. military or thoughts about it. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14390443 - 05/02/11 06:36 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

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timelapses said:
If you fought in any conflict or war, coould you be jaded, patriotic, maybe feeeling you were doing it for the greater good of the world?





you ever dig a well by hand? ever dig that well for a village in a foreign
land, being 20 feet down a hole that's not shored up and could collapse on
you at any point, crushing and suffocating you at any time? sometimes the
benefits outweigh the risks, even in a firefight

I dont like to refer to myself as a patriot, patriots are those jackasses
the bought chinese made american flags after 9/11 to show how proud they
were to be americans, the same jackasses that have no clue what the
constitution says and want to restrict your rights to burn or wipe your
ass with the flag you bought, the same assholes that believe hate speech
shouldnt be protected and think of muslims as the boogie man because the
united states is a christian nation... fuck a buncha patriots




I get what you're saying to the extent I can. That is what I love about society, the military, and politics. It brings out a lot of passioniate beliefs in people.


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