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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Sterile] * 2
    #14361743 - 04/27/11 03:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

That's stupid.

You are their child under their roof.

If you want to be that assholeish if they ever have to live with you fine. But forcing someone to take drugs is a retarded argument.

Grow up and move out.

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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: 4runner]
    #14361900 - 04/27/11 03:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Atleast when you get a job you can have the rest of your life to trip.
You'll look back at this time and realize its so far in the past it doesn't matter.:laugh:
Also some people trip too much and get all spacey and delusional, maybe you appear this way to your relatives? Probably not though.:strokebeard:

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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: 4runner]
    #14361967 - 04/27/11 04:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

They need me in order to keep the house running, i am a valuable member of the roof i'm under.  I don't believe owning property gives you the right to dictate everyone who lives with you and help you stay alive.

I know they might do it out of concern, but it still remains fascism. Hitler did what he did out of concern for the future of the world too you know.

And the joke about feeding them drugs, was just to show the analogy of how fucked up i believe it is to dictate someone what to eat.

They are limited by their knowledge anyway, i can always come up with new interesting mind altering plants they know nothing about, and just pretend they are some cool superfood i just found out about.

I don't really think you can place boundaries in stuff like plants. Thats all. And yeah, a house is like a miniature of society, the freedom and boundaries set by some for others resemble the war on drugs. It's just a war on other people's belief system.

I seriously don't think that running away is a solution.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: i like cow poo]
    #14362008 - 04/27/11 04:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hey at least you can have mushrooms.

Mushrooms aren't plants :hehehe:

If they object then you know what to do  :flamethrow::dumblol:

My mother was so anti-drug like but through careful manipulation I managed to transform her into a pothead mom that would look after my mushrooms :nyan:

Check out what she did for me:




Either convert them or kill them :yesnod:


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: sjfrockerdude]
    #14362031 - 04/27/11 04:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Beat them to death with a cactus. :bigyesnod:







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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Sterile]
    #14362057 - 04/27/11 04:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well it sounds like you are just in a really tough spot then.

What can you really do but have your own property where you can make up the rules.

If you are living with others under one roof, the democratic way will always win out. :shrug:


I am taking it that you are helping them in one way or another. There really will be no way to reason with them. At that point you have to figure out which it more important, your drugs or your family.

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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: mellowparty]
    #14362077 - 04/27/11 04:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

mellowparty said:
Hey at least you can have mushrooms.

Mushrooms aren't plants :hehehe:

If they object then you know what to do  :flamethrow::dumblol:

My mother was so anti-drug like but through careful manipulation I managed to transform her into a pothead mom that would look after my mushrooms :nyan:

Check out what she did for me:




Either convert them or kill them :yesnod:




Please explain how you convinced her? Thats amazing!:shocked:

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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: 4runner]
    #14362093 - 04/27/11 04:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

There just being overly controlling fucks, Tell them straight.

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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: i like cow poo]
    #14362120 - 04/27/11 04:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

i like cow poo said:
Quote:

mellowparty said:
Hey at least you can have mushrooms.

Mushrooms aren't plants :hehehe:

If they object then you know what to do  :flamethrow::dumblol:

My mother was so anti-drug like but through careful manipulation I managed to transform her into a pothead mom that would look after my mushrooms :nyan:

Check out what she did for me:




Either convert them or kill them :yesnod:




Please explain how you convinced her? Thats amazing!:shocked:



I wrote a very good and well researched school project on the benefits of cannabis both medicinally and socially. She read and was fairly impressed. Then I smoked her out and then I explained that that psychedelics are in the same domain of beneficial thangs.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14362141 - 04/27/11 04:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Man, I've known kids who get beat if they get caught with drugs - usually by a drunk Dad. That's just the way it is in this world, just accept it while you live under their roof and as another person said - just smoke behind the shed. Sometimes it's easier and just a better solution when you have stubborn parents who wont acknowledge your ability to be responsible with yourself.

Sometimes it's a battle not worth fighting, get a job and move out. Then you can smoke all the weed your wallet will allow.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Sterile] * 1
    #14362151 - 04/27/11 04:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

how 'bout you move out like an adult so that nobody can complain about what you do?

its their house. they pay the bills. they make the rules.

if i dont want people smoking cigarettes in my place they better not smoke a cigarette in here. if i give someone permission to stay in my place for a week or two, they better follow my rules, because its my apartment.

maybe when you have your own place you will understand why they enforce their rules in their house.

until then, keep pretending like you live in a concentration camp. im sure if they made you start paying for the food you eat, the electricity you use, the tv you watch, the internet youre on, or any of the other bills you would act like this was a crime against humanity and your birthrights were being violated :rolleyes:

enjoy your rent/bill free existence instead of complaining about something as dumb as a plant.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: gzuf]
    #14362155 - 04/27/11 04:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Sadly your right, thats what it came down to with me. I moved out when I was 16 cause I couldnt handle there nonsense anymore.

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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14362171 - 04/27/11 04:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

SLJ speaks teh troof

we've all been in your position OP, you want to do drugs AND have them pay for everything, unfortunately most kids cant have both

and when you move out and will be able to do drugs whenever you'll begin to realize how nice it was to have the toothpaste, water, electricity, food, clothes, toilet paper, gas etc paid for

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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: mellowparty]
    #14362177 - 04/27/11 04:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

@mellowparty
Thats awesome! I wrote my parents two letters. Now they tolerate my psychedelic ways because they know that they're ok. But they still are too scared to try them themselves.:shrug:
I think I'd be in heaven if my parents grew shrooms though!:laugh2:

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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14362667 - 04/27/11 06:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I happen to have a serious mental illness that stops me from being able to find a job that will make a slave out of me and destroy the environment in order to make me a serious and responsible cash owner.

Working in order to open up a new home, is just the capitalistic dream that every citizen should have according to the current system of doom.

Everyone should own a house, a car, a tv etc. Thats what your country sells, and you buy, i don't. I don't think every fucken person on earth should be autonomous and have his own little paradise, thats what keeps todays people divided.

You dont do anything to find solutions and love in order to stick together, you just stay away from each other and make private life a must. Thats what capitalism is all about, divide everyone, close them in little concrete boxes, and keep them busy by telling them that work means you should be 8-12 hours a day doing something you dont really like , then run to your little concrete box to live your tired freedom till the next day and repeat till you die.

Most people just want to find a job to call themselves responsible and autonomous cowboys. They find whatever jobs that will usually harm the environment in order to make the ultimate dream a reality: Buy a filthy car that will make the world even dirtier.

Living in small communities or even families that find a way to work things out and be compatible with each other might sound naive, but i seriously doubt it to be the crime you think it is.

In the same respect, everyone should stop trying to legalize weed in all countries, they should just go to Amsterdam! And feel free and responsible, for not making any trouble elsewhere.

Anyway, i am not trying to complain about a plant anymore in my place, i just believe that resistance to fascism is fertile.

I think we should all do our best to help each other and respect each other, we shouldn't count everything with $$$


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Sterile]
    #14362753 - 04/27/11 06:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Leave or tell them to GTFO if they don't like it.

Do you HAVE to live with them specifically?

Start throwing their booze out if they touch your stuff.


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My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Kada]
    #14362868 - 04/27/11 06:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Frankly parents don't want their kids to argue about a bunch of dumb shit once they've told them what to do

that's the bottom line

They don't really care about the abstract ethics of san pedro vs Marlboro

They want you away from certain influences they perceive in your life - it's your friends, your music, etc all packaged up and they don't really care if it's salvia or pot in your pipe when you're living the lifestyle they dislike. They want the pipes gone, the posters gone, the friends gone, the clothes gone, the attitude gone. They want you in school, making straight As, going to youth group

Sucks.

My honest solution?

Eat it. Just suck it up. Use them. Do what they say for 24 or 36 or 12 more months and then you'll either be gone or in college. If they'll put you through college? Get an organic chem degree, on them, and when it's paid off, put two fingers in the air, get a job and move out.

If they won't pay for college? Fucking murder high school and take all the college credit you can through the smart kids program in your school. Work while doing so and put the money in the bank. If they won't let you have your money, wait tables and have a trusted 18+ co worker stick it in a bank account for you.

You owe it too yourself to get the best launch in life you can out of your parents.

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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Sterile] * 1
    #14362876 - 04/27/11 06:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I happen to have a serious mental illness that stops me from being able to find a job





OK, that changes the whole argument. Many mental illnesses can be made considerably worse by psychoactives.

Schizophrenia for instance. Or Bipolar disorder. Social anxiety.
Can I ask what ails you?

Are they alleging that your drug use makes your condition worse? If so, it might be doing that and you may not see it.

There may be more to this than the original post suggested.


Quote:

I think we should all do our best to help each other and respect each other, we shouldn't count everything with $$$




Its not about the banknote, and money does not exclude being spirituality or socially motivated, it can go hand in hand:





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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Sterile]
    #14362953 - 04/27/11 06:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Sterile said:
I happen to have a serious mental illness that stops me from being able to find a job that will make a slave out of me and destroy the environment in order to make me a serious and responsible cash owner.

Working in order to open up a new home, is just the capitalistic dream that every citizen should have according to the current system of doom.

Everyone should own a house, a car, a tv etc. Thats what your country sells, and you buy, i don't. I don't think every fucken person on earth should be autonomous and have his own little paradise, thats what keeps todays people divided.

You dont do anything to find solutions and love in order to stick together, you just stay away from each other and make private life a must. Thats what capitalism is all about, divide everyone, close them in little concrete boxes, and keep them busy by telling them that work means you should be 8-12 hours a day doing something you dont really like , then run to your little concrete box to live your tired freedom till the next day and repeat till you die.

Most people just want to find a job to call themselves responsible and autonomous cowboys. They find whatever jobs that will usually harm the environment in order to make the ultimate dream a reality: Buy a filthy car that will make the world even dirtier.

Living in small communities or even families that find a way to work things out and be compatible with each other might sound naive, but i seriously doubt it to be the crime you think it is.

In the same respect, everyone should stop trying to legalize weed in all countries, they should just go to Amsterdam! And feel free and responsible, for not making any trouble elsewhere.:feelsweirdman:

Anyway, i am not trying to complain about a plant anymore in my place, i just believe that resistance to fascism is fertile.

I think we should all do our best to help each other and respect each other, we shouldn't count everything with $$$




basically the short version of this quote is "I don't support myself but I want the rights of someone who does"

If you're living with someone on their dime, you do what they say. If you don't like it, you'll have to become autonomous.

If you're so "valuble" they shouldn't be ABLE to tell you what to do.

Read that again, and understand it means "possible" - it shouldn't be possible for them to tell you what to do. Not that they shouldn't be allowed to or they just shouldn't out of niceness. You don't sound like a doormat, so in all likelyhood you just aren't as "valuble" to the house as you think.

If you have a mental illness that will prevent you from working, you'd think you wouldn't be able to grow a bunch of actives or type on a forum.

Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who tells you differently is selling something.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Sterile]
    #14363050 - 04/27/11 07:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

move out, only keep legal stuff around - less stress that way.
that is about it.  Enjoy life.
stop drinkin n smokin ... That stuff ages you quick.  Find the root of your problems and talk to a friend about it.


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