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How do mushrooms know psilocybin effects other creatures, and other defence stuff.
#14361594 - 04/27/11 03:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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im a little stoned, hope this is a worthy question. anyways, i was thinking. mushrooms produce psilocybin as a method of defence, so animals wouldnt eat them, same with THC, or different poisins in plants and insects. (Incase thats not the reason mushrooms produce psilocybin) even cactuses have pointy thorns to deter animals, how in the fuck would a cactus be able to graps the concept that thorns hurt animals?
how the hell do mushrooms, that totally have no knowledge or intellignece what so ever, know that psilocybin will effect the brain, and to specifically create it? or did they maybe just by chance produce that? would there not a more specific use for it?
and again, cactuses and a few other plants have a specific chemical or feature to deter predators, i can understand animals growing thick skin or horns to pretect them, they are a little more intelligent. Sure it may be just a bodys defence to create armour to continue life (from scars mainly im guessing)
plants and mushrooms, are fucking complicated, it makes me understand how intricate life is, how unlike space and rocks and other random stuff, we are totally in tuned, every living thing has a purpose, we live one incredibly complex system, a thing nobody has the intelligence or comprehend.
Any thoughts? remember, im pretty baked, i dont know if ill laugh at myself for it later :P
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Re: How do mushrooms know psilocybin effects other creatures, and other defence stuff. [Re: dizzyease]
#14361616 - 04/27/11 03:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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they dont need to know. basically if they developed psiolcybin as a defense mechanism, and some animal ate them and tripped and learned not to eat it again, then natural selection would narturally select the mushies containing psilocybin to pass on their traits.
the mushrooms dont need to know anything
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Re: How do mushrooms know psilocybin effects other creatures, and other defence stuff. [Re: dizzyease]
#14361637 - 04/27/11 03:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Unless the animal has a built-in immunity to a drug it usually affects them. Like the betel nut tree's bark, its a powerful and for some, psychoactive drug containing tree, but for the beetles and birds who inhabit it it has no effect
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Re: How do mushrooms know psilocybin effects other creatures, and other defence stuff. [Re: realfuzzhead]
#14361640 - 04/27/11 03:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Its not that they created psilocybin, its that psilocybin is like the perpellent to a mushroom...which is is basically a controlled explosion.
It reacts with our mind because we are from the same planet, same elements and man and mushroom have played with each other for a long time.
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Re: How do mushrooms know psilocybin effects other creatures, and other defence stuff. [Re: Rectangle 3D]
#14361656 - 04/27/11 03:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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maybe mushrooms know that some species will like the effects of psilocybin, so they do it on purpose so that that species will spread its spores. In that case that would make it seem like and ingenious way to keep its species going.
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Re: How do mushrooms know psilocybin effects other creatures, and other defence stuff. [Re: Greenvalley]
#14361667 - 04/27/11 03:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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where did the assumption that mushrooms have conciousness?
isnt them having psilocybin analogous to another mushroom having poison? they dont need to know what they have or what it does or even that they are, as long as other animals are deferred away from that mushroom they will propagate and reproduce.
they dont know anything
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Re: How do mushrooms know psilocybin effects other creatures, and other defence stuff. [Re: realfuzzhead]
#14361740 - 04/27/11 03:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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realfuzzhead said: where did the assumption that mushrooms have conciousness?
isnt them having psilocybin analogous to another mushroom having poison? they dont need to know what they have or what it does or even that they are, as long as other animals are deferred away from that mushroom they will propagate and reproduce.
they dont know anything
do they know that it deters animals?
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Re: How do mushrooms know psilocybin effects other creatures, and other defence stuff. [Re: dizzyease]
#14361759 - 04/27/11 03:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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no, they dont need to know. they arent capable of knowing, they dont have the same sensory organs that we have.
through a genetic mutation they contain psilocybin, this turned out to be an extremely helpful trait to have that protects them from animals, thus they were able to reproduce and others werent.
they dont have to be concious at all, evolution does the work
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Re: How do mushrooms know psilocybin effects other creatures, and other defence stuff. [Re: realfuzzhead]
#14361803 - 04/27/11 03:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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ah okay i get it, makes sense, still pretty weird shit. complicated weird shit. lol thanks
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Re: How do mushrooms know psilocybin effects other creatures, and other defence stuff. [Re: dizzyease]
#14361807 - 04/27/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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haha no problem man i know the stoned feeling of awe.
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Re: How do mushrooms know psilocybin effects other creatures, and other defence stuff. [Re: realfuzzhead]
#14361898 - 04/27/11 03:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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realfuzzhead said: where did the assumption that mushrooms have conciousness?
isnt them having psilocybin analogous to another mushroom having poison? they dont need to know what they have or what it does or even that they are, as long as other animals are deferred away from that mushroom they will propagate and reproduce.
they dont know anything
Right, they don't know anything
If anything works for the species it will continue being used as they have not died off because of the "edge" they posses. Edge in this case meaning having an ability that makes it in a way better than the rest.
Psilocybin is a very beneficial trait for the mushroom to have. As you said those creatures that cant handle it, mentally or physically will be warded off; those creatures who can handle it in an enjoyable manor will help to spread the spores. Horse/cows eat the mushrooms and pass it in their feces which perpetuates the cycle.
The fact that they exist is the greatest evidence of its efficacy, moreover, that multiple psilocybin containing species exist furthers the proof.
Nature is full of experimentation and those traits that don't work best for the creture or symbiotically with others are eliminated.
The greatest thing they have going for them is us, this whole site is dedicated to growing and harvesting them; all this gives them great survivability.
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Re: How do mushrooms know psilocybin effects other creatures, and other defence stuff. [Re: Wise Toad]
#14361935 - 04/27/11 04:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wise Toad said:
The greatest thing they have going for them is us, this whole site is dedicated to growing and harvesting them; all this gives them a great opportunity for survivability.
This is a good point regarding their derived benefit from our symbiosis with them.
However, I personally believe the existence of psilocybin facilitates survival of the whole planet as an organism. The values and insights, states of mind, and experiences that are imbibed by mushrooms are usually "pro-life" in the sense it further enables us to be aware of the fragility of ourselves and our role in the ecosystem, even if that simply means - to use Hicks' metaphor - that we learn to see God in a cow's ass.
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Re: How do mushrooms know psilocybin effects other creatures, and other defence stuff. [Re: The Whale]
#14362472 - 04/27/11 05:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hell yeah, I like that explanation. This takes it to a whole other level. The chemical of the universe
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Re: How do mushrooms know psilocybin effects other creatures, and other defence stuff. [Re: realfuzzhead] 3
#14362571 - 04/27/11 05:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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realfuzzhead said: where did the assumption that mushrooms have conciousness?
isnt them having psilocybin analogous to another mushroom having poison? they dont need to know what they have or what it does or even that they are, as long as other animals are deferred away from that mushroom they will propagate and reproduce.
they dont know anything
I think if something is alive, it's conscious. It might not be sentient consciousness, but mycelium can react to stimuli, which to me denotes a kind of consciousness. There was an experiment done a while back, where they built a maze and coated the bottom with agar. The first time the mycelium went through, it grew until it found the food. When a culture from that maze was placed in a duplicate maze, this time the mycelium took the most direct route to the food source. (Stamets likes to talk about this experiment a lot.)
To me, that denotes consciousness, akin to animals or plants or anything else that's alive. Are they sentient, capable of making decisions and thinking? That is a completely different question.
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Re: How do mushrooms know psilocybin effects other creatures, and other defence stuff. [Re: guywiththegun]
#14362602 - 04/27/11 05:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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woah thats crazy!
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Re: How do mushrooms know psilocybin effects other creatures, and other defence stuff. [Re: dizzyease]
#14362783 - 04/27/11 06:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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fuzzhead is right. Think about it. The mushrooms that didn't contain psilocybin probably got eaten, so the ones containing it were allowed to flourish. Same with pointy cacti. The ones without those traits likely got eaten, so the tough ones survived.
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Re: How do mushrooms know psilocybin effects other creatures, and other defence stuff. [Re: Anthony917]
#14362796 - 04/27/11 06:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I can tell you this much: my dog will eat ANYTHING. Seriously. She will not touch a cube. She'll at least chew on other mushrooms, until she realizes she doesn't like it (I don't think she can digest them). But I can put a cube in her MOUTH and she'll spit it out. Every time.
And for the record, I wasn't trying to get the dog to trip, we were just watching her push one around the apt and was wondering why she wouldn't eat it. After a bit of fooling around, I finally popped it in her mouth, she immediately coughed it out.
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Re: How do mushrooms know psilocybin effects other creatures, and other defence stuff. [Re: guywiththegun]
#14362844 - 04/27/11 06:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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guywiththegun said: I can tell you this much: my dog will eat ANYTHING. Seriously. She will not touch a cube. She'll at least chew on other mushrooms, until she realizes she doesn't like it (I don't think she can digest them). But I can put a cube in her MOUTH and she'll spit it out. Every time.
And for the record, I wasn't trying to get the dog to trip, we were just watching her push one around the apt and was wondering why she wouldn't eat it. After a bit of fooling around, I finally popped it in her mouth, she immediately coughed it out.
understand dude :P thats kinda cool, i think ill try that, not letting the dog eat it of course. :P
Perhaps where your dog is native from, has native cubes?
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Re: How do mushrooms know psilocybin effects other creatures, and other defence stuff. [Re: dizzyease] 1
#14362883 - 04/27/11 06:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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The thing is....It's known that animals will consume psychoactive plants/fungi and at times even seek it out.
Deer have been known to nom' down Amanita muscaria, and Psilocybe cyanescens. I recall a shroomerite that had an outdoor cyan patch, and every time it was fruiting the deer would come and eat his patch...He ended up having to put a fence up to keep them out.
Same thing goes for cannabis, many people that have had outdoor grows have had their plants chewed on by deer & other critters. Again, they have to put a fence up to keep the deer out. When fruit falls from trees and ferments, animals will eat it and get drunk as fuck.
Sure being in an altered state in the wild isn't the best for survival, but many animals still seek out mind altering substances .....

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Re: How do mushrooms know psilocybin effects other creatures, and other defence stuff. [Re: dizzyease]
#14362898 - 04/27/11 06:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It makes more sense when you look at a more clear cut mutation like say being white furred
it's great to be white furred in winter
it's horrible to be white furred in other climates
so when an albino is born on the plains, it gets picked out an eaten
but if that same albino was born on the north pole, it would outlive and therefore presumptively outbreed all the brown animals, causing a few more albinos than normal to occur in the next generation
The animal doesn't need to KNOW it's avoiding attacks, it just needs to not get attacked
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