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    #14361492 - 04/27/11 02:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Sterile]
    #14361506 - 04/27/11 02:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

My house is the opposite. Relatives care if I drink, but they don't give a shit when I smoke weed.

They're both illegal since I'm 18. :shrug:


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Sterile]
    #14361514 - 04/27/11 02:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

throw away all the coffe? Sugar comes from plants too so toss all of that. Food that comes from plants that tastes good releases brain chemicals that alter your mind so all tasty food has to go if it has any plant ingredients. Looks like your house will not be able to contain food and everyone you live with better learn to produce their own chloroplasts and lay out in the sun now or die.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Sterile]
    #14361519 - 04/27/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Tobacco totally isn't a mind altering plant or anything :tongue:

Start taking their cigarettes and stamping them out and tell them that... can't have any hypocrisy in this household :kingcrankey:


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: twighead]
    #14361527 - 04/27/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Make sure they stop using caffeine too.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: twighead]
    #14361540 - 04/27/11 02:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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My relatives clearly stated that even LEGAL mind altering plants are not tolerated inside our home anymore.



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They drink booze and smoke tobacco like crazy




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Approach them, shout YOU ARE FUCKING STUPID IDIOTS :plzdie: and then burn them


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: mellowparty]
    #14361561 - 04/27/11 02:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Seriously brah, I'd totally throw out their ciggies and coffee and then go all :kingcrankey: on their ass


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: mellowparty]
    #14361566 - 04/27/11 02:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Beat them to death with a cactus. :bigyesnod:


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: ROFL_my_ WAFFLE]
    #14361580 - 04/27/11 03:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Have you pointed out that tobacco is a mind altering plant? Doesn't matter if you did, they won't listen anyway.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: bryguy27007]
    #14361589 - 04/27/11 03:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah your only choices are

1. Escape

2. Kill it with fire


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: propensity]
    #14361602 - 04/27/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What's up with the arson kick in this thread?

OP, it may suck, and be irrational, but you are of emancipation age and unless you are paying rent you should respect their wishes and try to change their mind with reason. At the end of the day though, it is still their home unless you are contributing your part.

Could just smoke behind the shed?:shrug:




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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: mellowparty]
    #14361603 - 04/27/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well, i actually did almost all of the above, but logic seems to fade away when we try to talk about these matters.

Maybe my psychedelic past is too strong to persuade anyone that the plants i like to have near me are totally legal..

So now they ban all of them in order to make it simple and effective i suppose. They even avoid to listen to me, in order to avoid any logical conclusion that might lean towards my side.

Non psychedelic people should be sent to another planet imo. There are too many mind altering plants here, it dangerous for them. :smirk:


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Sterile]
    #14361617 - 04/27/11 03:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

They are your relatives and if they are the ones allowing you to live in that house, you should respect their opinion or find a way to have a home of your own where u can make the rules for yourself. It doesn't matter about legality or arguments of well they use psychoactive substances too, they do not like it and if you are living there because of them you should respect that opinion.

You can always get high elsewhere.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: DeathCompany]
    #14361628 - 04/27/11 03:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

so its your parents/ relatives? if so sorry bro but you gotta listen to them, no matter how fucking stupid it is.

Move out, dont drink/smoke, do psychs and be happier/outlive those who do drink/smoke


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: numonkei]
    #14361639 - 04/27/11 03:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I don't think its fair to push your beliefs down other peoples throat just because you are giving them a place to sleep.

After all, they brought me to this world full of psychoactive plants...they 're all around me!And now they are telling me to don't dare have any relationship with them...they have a problem with the way they shape my character, they told me right in the face!
If it was on their hands, i'm shure they would love to control what plants i even ingest when i am out of the house...

This sounds too much like nazi bullshit to me. I think that i contribute my work and time to the house, it doesn't really have to be money so you can gain respect for what you want to do with your mind and body.

I think its just a war for control type of thing.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Sterile]
    #14361647 - 04/27/11 03:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

yeah man i agree with you, but they are paying rent and letting you stay in their house and they do have the right to say what they will allow at their house.


trust me, im as anti-prohibitionist as the next person but if they dont want it thats their right :shrug:


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Sterile]
    #14361652 - 04/27/11 03:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:dancinghitler:  :hitlerdance:  :dancinghitler:  :feelsbadman:

Oh, damn nazis.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Sterile]
    #14361659 - 04/27/11 03:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

They do not like the idea of you using psychedelics, thats it.

So they are doing the best they can to stop you from doing them without overstepping there boundaries.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14361724 - 04/27/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ok, so imagine they get fired from their work for whatever reason, and we move to a small house where i pay more than them for rent.

Would that all of a sudden give me the power to make them ingest only the substances i agree with? Wouldn't that seem totally fucked up?

i like to imagine our dinner then, hehe, we got Salvia salad as a starter, Amanitas with psilocybin filling as a main dish, and a nice sweet space cake for dessert.

And thats it, i won't tolerate any non psychoactive plants in our house. You get stoned now cos i pay $


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: DeathCompany] * 1
    #14361728 - 04/27/11 03:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

They have given you bullshit reasons why they do not want them in the house because apparently them telling you not to because they dislike it isn't enough for you to actually listen. So they try and find arguments in hopes of you understanding and when mixed with emotion they have come up with a number of excuses in retaliation to yours. They shouldn't have to do that in the first place.  You should just respect there rules.


And just remember they are doing it probably because they are concerned with your well being, as misguided as it may be.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Sterile] * 2
    #14361743 - 04/27/11 03:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

That's stupid.

You are their child under their roof.

If you want to be that assholeish if they ever have to live with you fine. But forcing someone to take drugs is a retarded argument.

Grow up and move out.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: 4runner]
    #14361900 - 04/27/11 03:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Atleast when you get a job you can have the rest of your life to trip.
You'll look back at this time and realize its so far in the past it doesn't matter.:laugh:
Also some people trip too much and get all spacey and delusional, maybe you appear this way to your relatives? Probably not though.:strokebeard:


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: 4runner]
    #14361967 - 04/27/11 04:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

They need me in order to keep the house running, i am a valuable member of the roof i'm under.  I don't believe owning property gives you the right to dictate everyone who lives with you and help you stay alive.

I know they might do it out of concern, but it still remains fascism. Hitler did what he did out of concern for the future of the world too you know.

And the joke about feeding them drugs, was just to show the analogy of how fucked up i believe it is to dictate someone what to eat.

They are limited by their knowledge anyway, i can always come up with new interesting mind altering plants they know nothing about, and just pretend they are some cool superfood i just found out about.

I don't really think you can place boundaries in stuff like plants. Thats all. And yeah, a house is like a miniature of society, the freedom and boundaries set by some for others resemble the war on drugs. It's just a war on other people's belief system.

I seriously don't think that running away is a solution.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: i like cow poo]
    #14362008 - 04/27/11 04:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hey at least you can have mushrooms.

Mushrooms aren't plants :hehehe:

If they object then you know what to do  :flamethrow::dumblol:

My mother was so anti-drug like but through careful manipulation I managed to transform her into a pothead mom that would look after my mushrooms :nyan:

Check out what she did for me:




Either convert them or kill them :yesnod:


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: sjfrockerdude]
    #14362031 - 04/27/11 04:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Sterile]
    #14362057 - 04/27/11 04:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well it sounds like you are just in a really tough spot then.

What can you really do but have your own property where you can make up the rules.

If you are living with others under one roof, the democratic way will always win out. :shrug:


I am taking it that you are helping them in one way or another. There really will be no way to reason with them. At that point you have to figure out which it more important, your drugs or your family.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: mellowparty]
    #14362077 - 04/27/11 04:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Hey at least you can have mushrooms.

Mushrooms aren't plants :hehehe:

If they object then you know what to do  :flamethrow::dumblol:

My mother was so anti-drug like but through careful manipulation I managed to transform her into a pothead mom that would look after my mushrooms :nyan:

Check out what she did for me:




Either convert them or kill them :yesnod:




Please explain how you convinced her? Thats amazing!:shocked:


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: 4runner]
    #14362093 - 04/27/11 04:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

There just being overly controlling fucks, Tell them straight.


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    #14362120 - 04/27/11 04:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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mellowparty said:
Hey at least you can have mushrooms.

Mushrooms aren't plants :hehehe:

If they object then you know what to do  :flamethrow::dumblol:

My mother was so anti-drug like but through careful manipulation I managed to transform her into a pothead mom that would look after my mushrooms :nyan:

Check out what she did for me:




Either convert them or kill them :yesnod:




Please explain how you convinced her? Thats amazing!:shocked:



I wrote a very good and well researched school project on the benefits of cannabis both medicinally and socially. She read and was fairly impressed. Then I smoked her out and then I explained that that psychedelics are in the same domain of beneficial thangs.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14362141 - 04/27/11 04:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Man, I've known kids who get beat if they get caught with drugs - usually by a drunk Dad. That's just the way it is in this world, just accept it while you live under their roof and as another person said - just smoke behind the shed. Sometimes it's easier and just a better solution when you have stubborn parents who wont acknowledge your ability to be responsible with yourself.

Sometimes it's a battle not worth fighting, get a job and move out. Then you can smoke all the weed your wallet will allow.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Sterile] * 1
    #14362151 - 04/27/11 04:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

how 'bout you move out like an adult so that nobody can complain about what you do?

its their house. they pay the bills. they make the rules.

if i dont want people smoking cigarettes in my place they better not smoke a cigarette in here. if i give someone permission to stay in my place for a week or two, they better follow my rules, because its my apartment.

maybe when you have your own place you will understand why they enforce their rules in their house.

until then, keep pretending like you live in a concentration camp. im sure if they made you start paying for the food you eat, the electricity you use, the tv you watch, the internet youre on, or any of the other bills you would act like this was a crime against humanity and your birthrights were being violated :rolleyes:

enjoy your rent/bill free existence instead of complaining about something as dumb as a plant.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: gzuf]
    #14362155 - 04/27/11 04:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Sadly your right, thats what it came down to with me. I moved out when I was 16 cause I couldnt handle there nonsense anymore.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14362171 - 04/27/11 04:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

SLJ speaks teh troof

we've all been in your position OP, you want to do drugs AND have them pay for everything, unfortunately most kids cant have both

and when you move out and will be able to do drugs whenever you'll begin to realize how nice it was to have the toothpaste, water, electricity, food, clothes, toilet paper, gas etc paid for


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: mellowparty]
    #14362177 - 04/27/11 04:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

@mellowparty
Thats awesome! I wrote my parents two letters. Now they tolerate my psychedelic ways because they know that they're ok. But they still are too scared to try them themselves.:shrug:
I think I'd be in heaven if my parents grew shrooms though!:laugh2:


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14362667 - 04/27/11 06:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I happen to have a serious mental illness that stops me from being able to find a job that will make a slave out of me and destroy the environment in order to make me a serious and responsible cash owner.

Working in order to open up a new home, is just the capitalistic dream that every citizen should have according to the current system of doom.

Everyone should own a house, a car, a tv etc. Thats what your country sells, and you buy, i don't. I don't think every fucken person on earth should be autonomous and have his own little paradise, thats what keeps todays people divided.

You dont do anything to find solutions and love in order to stick together, you just stay away from each other and make private life a must. Thats what capitalism is all about, divide everyone, close them in little concrete boxes, and keep them busy by telling them that work means you should be 8-12 hours a day doing something you dont really like , then run to your little concrete box to live your tired freedom till the next day and repeat till you die.

Most people just want to find a job to call themselves responsible and autonomous cowboys. They find whatever jobs that will usually harm the environment in order to make the ultimate dream a reality: Buy a filthy car that will make the world even dirtier.

Living in small communities or even families that find a way to work things out and be compatible with each other might sound naive, but i seriously doubt it to be the crime you think it is.

In the same respect, everyone should stop trying to legalize weed in all countries, they should just go to Amsterdam! And feel free and responsible, for not making any trouble elsewhere.

Anyway, i am not trying to complain about a plant anymore in my place, i just believe that resistance to fascism is fertile.

I think we should all do our best to help each other and respect each other, we shouldn't count everything with $$$


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Sterile]
    #14362753 - 04/27/11 06:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Leave or tell them to GTFO if they don't like it.

Do you HAVE to live with them specifically?

Start throwing their booze out if they touch your stuff.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Kada]
    #14362868 - 04/27/11 06:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Frankly parents don't want their kids to argue about a bunch of dumb shit once they've told them what to do

that's the bottom line

They don't really care about the abstract ethics of san pedro vs Marlboro

They want you away from certain influences they perceive in your life - it's your friends, your music, etc all packaged up and they don't really care if it's salvia or pot in your pipe when you're living the lifestyle they dislike. They want the pipes gone, the posters gone, the friends gone, the clothes gone, the attitude gone. They want you in school, making straight As, going to youth group

Sucks.

My honest solution?

Eat it. Just suck it up. Use them. Do what they say for 24 or 36 or 12 more months and then you'll either be gone or in college. If they'll put you through college? Get an organic chem degree, on them, and when it's paid off, put two fingers in the air, get a job and move out.

If they won't pay for college? Fucking murder high school and take all the college credit you can through the smart kids program in your school. Work while doing so and put the money in the bank. If they won't let you have your money, wait tables and have a trusted 18+ co worker stick it in a bank account for you.

You owe it too yourself to get the best launch in life you can out of your parents.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Sterile] * 1
    #14362876 - 04/27/11 06:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I happen to have a serious mental illness that stops me from being able to find a job





OK, that changes the whole argument. Many mental illnesses can be made considerably worse by psychoactives.

Schizophrenia for instance. Or Bipolar disorder. Social anxiety.
Can I ask what ails you?

Are they alleging that your drug use makes your condition worse? If so, it might be doing that and you may not see it.

There may be more to this than the original post suggested.


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I think we should all do our best to help each other and respect each other, we shouldn't count everything with $$$




Its not about the banknote, and money does not exclude being spirituality or socially motivated, it can go hand in hand:





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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Sterile]
    #14362953 - 04/27/11 06:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I happen to have a serious mental illness that stops me from being able to find a job that will make a slave out of me and destroy the environment in order to make me a serious and responsible cash owner.

Working in order to open up a new home, is just the capitalistic dream that every citizen should have according to the current system of doom.

Everyone should own a house, a car, a tv etc. Thats what your country sells, and you buy, i don't. I don't think every fucken person on earth should be autonomous and have his own little paradise, thats what keeps todays people divided.

You dont do anything to find solutions and love in order to stick together, you just stay away from each other and make private life a must. Thats what capitalism is all about, divide everyone, close them in little concrete boxes, and keep them busy by telling them that work means you should be 8-12 hours a day doing something you dont really like , then run to your little concrete box to live your tired freedom till the next day and repeat till you die.

Most people just want to find a job to call themselves responsible and autonomous cowboys. They find whatever jobs that will usually harm the environment in order to make the ultimate dream a reality: Buy a filthy car that will make the world even dirtier.

Living in small communities or even families that find a way to work things out and be compatible with each other might sound naive, but i seriously doubt it to be the crime you think it is.

In the same respect, everyone should stop trying to legalize weed in all countries, they should just go to Amsterdam! And feel free and responsible, for not making any trouble elsewhere.:feelsweirdman:

Anyway, i am not trying to complain about a plant anymore in my place, i just believe that resistance to fascism is fertile.

I think we should all do our best to help each other and respect each other, we shouldn't count everything with $$$




basically the short version of this quote is "I don't support myself but I want the rights of someone who does"

If you're living with someone on their dime, you do what they say. If you don't like it, you'll have to become autonomous.

If you're so "valuble" they shouldn't be ABLE to tell you what to do.

Read that again, and understand it means "possible" - it shouldn't be possible for them to tell you what to do. Not that they shouldn't be allowed to or they just shouldn't out of niceness. You don't sound like a doormat, so in all likelyhood you just aren't as "valuble" to the house as you think.

If you have a mental illness that will prevent you from working, you'd think you wouldn't be able to grow a bunch of actives or type on a forum.

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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Sterile]
    #14363050 - 04/27/11 07:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

move out, only keep legal stuff around - less stress that way.
that is about it.  Enjoy life.
stop drinkin n smokin ... That stuff ages you quick.  Find the root of your problems and talk to a friend about it.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Raw]
    #14363368 - 04/27/11 08:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Like other folks said maybe you're folks are concerned about your mental illness. Usually mental illness and psychedelic drugs aren't good in excess:rasta:
Just an observation:wink:


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: i like cow poo]
    #14363493 - 04/27/11 08:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Like other folks said maybe you're folks are concerned about your mental illness. Usually mental illness and psychedelic drugs aren't good in excess:rasta:
Just an observation;)



(or at all...)

One bad trip could put anyone's mental stability seriously off kilter - and that's without prior mental problems.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: twighead]
    #14364910 - 04/28/11 01:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ok, i read all opinions about gtfo of the house. The serious mental illness was ironic, sorry if i didnt make that clear enough.

What i am trying to say, is that you can never really look deep enough in another humans brain, and see if he is capable of the same things you are in life.

Not everyone is born with the mental equilibrium to be able to work a office work for example, but there are other ways you can help society and the house you live in.

My "mental illness" is a strong resistance to live my life not wanting to do stuff that i don't believe in. I want to be productive in my work, and that only happens when i really enjoy it. Thats the case with most of the people i guess. 

But what i really wanted to point out is, that nobody can tell you what to do, because nobody except yourself, know what's going on inside your head. You could be ok with doing anything, and absolutely unable to do anything else.

There is no baseline for an individual, humans are just different strange cases that you simply can't put all in the same box.

For example attending the army in my country is compulsory, but i just told them i suffer from panic attacks and avoided learning how to kill humans for 2 years. No one can tell you whats going on inside your brain.

i work everyday, but from my work i earn organic food for my home and not $$.I directly support the health of the people around me. I dont think this should be less respected for any reason. Supporting health is one of the best investments out there.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Sterile]
    #14364940 - 04/28/11 01:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What I really want to point out is stop being such a bigot, secondly They pay the bills, dont like the rules GTFO.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14365162 - 04/28/11 04:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I am a bigot but you think money is everything dude. Power to control others and a way to show superiority.

And to make it more clear to you, we pay no bills. We have our own place and everyone contributes whatever the fuck he has. Some have money, so they contribute that. Some have the power to work on projects that others can't.
      Strangely enough, we might have to pass the house under my name after a few years for tax reasons. Would that all of a sudden give me the power to manipulate everyone in here because i own the darn roof? Hell no. i don't believe in what you own, i believe in what you are.

Most of you seem really obsessed with the idea that freedom is born in your wallet. I believe that the best things in life are free, and so are the best relationships, the ones that don't involve money are the ones actually worth having.

expecting from everyone around you to make cash or go die is totally narrow minded imo. A stereotype incubated in the heart of capitalism.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Sterile]
    #14366737 - 04/28/11 12:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

you started this thread because you are mad about your parents ethics, then rebuttle everyone's input with a rejection of theirs - on the basis of their lack of platform to advance ethics that differ from yours, which you hold on the basis of ethical statements that everyone should be their own person

how does your own tail taste

you put some sriracha on it?

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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Sterile]
    #14366809 - 04/28/11 12:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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it says you joined the shroomery in 01.

assuming you were 18 when you joined, that makes you 28. and you still live with your parents.

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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Sterile]
    #14367043 - 04/28/11 01:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Ok, i read all opinions about gtfo of the house. The serious mental illness was ironic, sorry if i didnt make that clear enough.

What i am trying to say, is that you can never really look deep enough in another humans brain, and see if he is capable of the same things you are in life.

Not everyone is born with the mental equilibrium to be able to work a office work for example, but there are other ways you can help society and the house you live in.

My "mental illness" is a strong resistance to live my life not wanting to do stuff that i don't believe in. I want to be productive in my work, and that only happens when i really enjoy it. Thats the case with most of the people i guess. 

But what i really wanted to point out is, that nobody can tell you what to do, because nobody except yourself, know what's going on inside your head. You could be ok with doing anything, and absolutely unable to do anything else.

There is no baseline for an individual, humans are just different strange cases that you simply can't put all in the same box.

For example attending the army in my country is compulsory, but i just told them i suffer from panic attacks and avoided learning how to kill humans for 2 years. No one can tell you whats going on inside your brain.

i work everyday, but from my work i earn organic food for my home and not $$.I directly support the health of the people around me. I dont think this should be less respected for any reason. Supporting health is one of the best investments out there.




your parents/relatives are the ultimate enemy. they are hitler/mao/stalin/pol pot all rolled into one. you should fight against this fascist state that they have imposed upon you with everything in your power.

declare your room to be it's own sovereign nation, set up your own international court of law and extradite the offending parties to your sovereign nation so that they can appear before you in a war tribunal case against them.

torture them with lsd being dropped into their forcibly pried open eye lids every hour on the hour until they see things from your perspective. seriously, i've done this and it will work.

it's either this or you grow a pair, quit living out some stupid fantasy and move the fuck out.

seriously bro, your parents may be ignorant but they are not your enemy. mature.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: ROFL_my_ WAFFLE]
    #14367061 - 04/28/11 01:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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My house is the opposite. Relatives care if I drink, but they don't give a shit when I smoke weed.

They're both illegal since I'm 18. :shrug:




Wich means you were under 18 when joining the site.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: skiddy]
    #14367085 - 04/28/11 01:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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skiddy said:
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ROFL_my_ WAFFLE said:
My house is the opposite. Relatives care if I drink, but they don't give a shit when I smoke weed.

They're both illegal since I'm 18. :shrug:




Wich means you were under 18 when joining the site.




we already came upon this realization in the "how old are you" thread a little while ago.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: skiddy]
    #14367924 - 04/28/11 04:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ythan was underage when he made the site :smilingpuppy:


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Sterile]
    #14368239 - 04/28/11 05:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I am a bigot but you think money is everything dude. Power to control others and a way to show superiority.

And to make it more clear to you, we pay no bills. We have our own place and everyone contributes whatever the fuck he has. Some have money, so they contribute that. Some have the power to work on projects that others can't.
      Strangely enough, we might have to pass the house under my name after a few years for tax reasons. Would that all of a sudden give me the power to manipulate everyone in here because i own the darn roof? Hell no. i don't believe in what you own, i believe in what you are.

Most of you seem really obsessed with the idea that freedom is born in your wallet. I believe that the best things in life are free, and so are the best relationships, the ones that don't involve money are the ones actually worth having.

expecting from everyone around you to make cash or go die is totally narrow minded imo. A stereotype incubated in the heart of capitalism.




and a reality of the world you live in. Once you mature a little you'll come to realize your extremist view of the world does nothing but cause you anger and misery.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14371982 - 04/29/11 10:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I agree with Bodhi :blewmeanie:
And yeah try to change your perspective so you're not so miserable


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Sterile]
    #14372301 - 04/29/11 11:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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And to make it more clear to you, we pay no bills. .





So your family lives tax free, pays no electric/heat/water/cable/internet bill, they pay no rent and/or property tax? All food magically appears in your kitchen at no cost? There are no vehicle payments / gasoline consumption?

That ignorant statement negates your entire argument. To think that your family lives with paying no bills is completely ridiculous. I hate to be mean, but you seriously need to move out and live on your own and realize how selfish/ignorant you are being at this point in your life. It WILL humble you and make you a better person. Good luck man.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: i like cow poo]
    #14372322 - 04/29/11 12:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I've met Sterile before - He's definitely not  kid...in fact I thought he was super cool. I think he was the first Shroomerite I ever met in real life...Psychedelic pilot for sure :smile:

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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Equipto]
    #14372365 - 04/29/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think the reason he has such an extremist and rediculous point of view in his arguments on everything from keeping psychs in the house to not getting a job, is merely a very strong case of denial where he is simply trying to convince himself that his actions are 100% justified. The closer he comes to realizing what he is doing is wrong, it causes discomfort and he immediately tries to rationalize it to the point where he can tell himself its not actually his fault. It does not matter how detached the excuse is, he will make it work in his head to avoid trauma.

Chances are if he reads this he will instantly experience strong irrational emotions and then try to find crazy excuses on how I'm completely wrong and what I said makes no sense in his situation, to soften the blow.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: DeathCompany]
    #14372381 - 04/29/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I think the reason he has such an extremist and rediculous point of view in his arguments on everything from keeping psychs in the house to not getting a job, is merely a very strong case of denial where he is simply trying to convince himself that his actions are 100% justified. The closer he comes to realizing what he is doing is wrong, it causes discomfort and he immediately tries to rationalize it to the point where he can tell himself its not actually his fault. It does not matter how detached the excuse is, he will make it work in his head to avoid trauma.

Chances are if he reads this he will instantly experience strong irrational emotions and then try to find crazy excuses on how I'm completely wrong and what I said makes no sense, to soften the blow.





Whoa, are you a psychologist? And I'm not being a smartass that really sounds like a professional opinion!


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Sterile]
    #14372484 - 04/29/11 12:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If you weren't in their household, your parents would still try to regulate the things you do by bitching and moaning to you about it.

I don't stay at home and I just quit smoking weed cause I need a better job. I happened to mention to my mom about me not smoking weed. Cause mom's cool. :shrug:
I told her I was buying incense from the gas station as an alternative. Mom didn't care, she was just like, well thats cool. Whatever helps.

She mentioned it to my dad and he called me all pissed off saying that I'm just trading one addiction for another. I told him I don't want to quit smoking pot, I just have to, this helps. blah blah blah is all her heard.

Now every time I talk to him I gotta hear some lecture about it. The fucked up thing is, he didn't even check online to see what was actually in the insence. If it gets you high, it's BAD!

He pissed me off so now when he calls and asks me what I'm doing. I tell him I'm smoking crack and he's killing my buzz, then hang up and turn my phone off.

This is the same man that told me before "I don't see any problem with pot, except that it's illegal. It will hold you back because decent jobs check for drug use." He was just making shit up so I might see it his way.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Equipto]
    #14372495 - 04/29/11 12:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Equipto said:
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DeathCompany said:
I think the reason he has such an extremist and rediculous point of view in his arguments on everything from keeping psychs in the house to not getting a job, is merely a very strong case of denial where he is simply trying to convince himself that his actions are 100% justified. The closer he comes to realizing what he is doing is wrong, it causes discomfort and he immediately tries to rationalize it to the point where he can tell himself its not actually his fault. It does not matter how detached the excuse is, he will make it work in his head to avoid trauma.

Chances are if he reads this he will instantly experience strong irrational emotions and then try to find crazy excuses on how I'm completely wrong and what I said makes no sense, to soften the blow.





Whoa, are you a psychologist? And I'm not being a smartass that really sounds like a professional opinion!





Well Thank you sir, much appreciated but I am not. I just like to pretend to be one when Im on the interwebz. but i have had some schooling so that counts as something. :lol:


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Sterile]
    #14372583 - 04/29/11 01:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I happen to have a serious mental illness that stops me from being able to find a job that will make a slave out of me and destroy the environment in order to make me a serious and responsible cash owner.

Working in order to open up a new home, is just the capitalistic dream that every citizen should have according to the current system of doom.

Everyone should own a house, a car, a tv etc. Thats what your country sells, and you buy, i don't. I don't think every fucken person on earth should be autonomous and have his own little paradise, thats what keeps todays people divided.

You dont do anything to find solutions and love in order to stick together, you just stay away from each other and make private life a must. Thats what capitalism is all about, divide everyone, close them in little concrete boxes, and keep them busy by telling them that work means you should be 8-12 hours a day doing something you dont really like , then run to your little concrete box to live your tired freedom till the next day and repeat till you die.

Most people just want to find a job to call themselves responsible and autonomous cowboys. They find whatever jobs that will usually harm the environment in order to make the ultimate dream a reality: Buy a filthy car that will make the world even dirtier.

Living in small communities or even families that find a way to work things out and be compatible with each other might sound naive, but i seriously doubt it to be the crime you think it is.

In the same respect, everyone should stop trying to legalize weed in all countries, they should just go to Amsterdam! And feel free and responsible, for not making any trouble elsewhere.:feelsweirdman:

Anyway, i am not trying to complain about a plant anymore in my place, i just believe that resistance to fascism is fertile.

I think we should all do our best to help each other and respect each other, we shouldn't count everything with $$$




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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14372592 - 04/29/11 01:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Sterile said:
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it says you joined the shroomery in 01.

assuming you were 18 when you joined, that makes you 28. and you still live with your parents.

need i say more?




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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: blujay]
    #14372608 - 04/29/11 01:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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When I am rich and successful, I am going to keep someone like you in a shed as a pet to scare away solicitors.




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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: DeathCompany]
    #14374154 - 04/29/11 06:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Sadly enough, stereotypes is all i read in most of your replies my friends.

Most of the people here think i'm just a kid who wants to smoke a fat bowl in its parents house and because it's not allowed to, me cries all day long.

First of all, i don't smoke weed anymore. I have no interest in everyday use of psychoactives or any drug for that matter. I don't like to be an addict.

Living with your parents while being at an older age seems quite alienating to most in here, only because 80% of you live in a country that has this social mentality and you grow up with it engraved inside your minds.

I just want to remind you, that there are members of the shroomery that don't live in the US and you should respect and keep an open mind towards other social ethics that are considered the norm in other countries.

In my country it is not considered shameful for a family to live together as one, it is pride to be able to manage such a balance of individuals living together during different stages of their lives.

What i really wanted to point out in this post, was the war on drugs that has its root in each and every home.

As a matter of fact, any type of war has its root in the family and in the house. As i said, it is a miniature of society, if you can't find solutions and love in your house, how do you expect to find them between strangers in the outside world?

Hate, violence, and greed, are all household seeds, that germinate when the conditions are just right. If you run away from these problems, you never really deal with them, you just carry them elsewhere.

In my mother language, the word we use for someone who works for money means literally "enslavement" as opposed to when a person is actually creating something not for gaining wealth.

I will end this post with the wise words of Ralph Metzner, from his wonderful speech during his valuable lesson at the World Psychedelic Forum in Basel, a few years ago:  (As i remember them, no exact speech) 

          "The best thing, we humans can do on earth, is help the trees do their job. The trees are more advanced forms of life because they have been evolving so much longer than us on earth... They photosynthesize they use the most in abundance energy found in our solar system, the sun, and do that without even having to move much. 

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    #14374210 - 04/29/11 07:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

yeah but clearly you're the child in the home and not some sort of equal

or your OP would say "My dad tried to take my shit away, realized he couldn't, and I lol'd"


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: JohnnyConverse]
    #14374234 - 04/29/11 07:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

wtf dude move out if you are gonna smoke weed and you live in a house where it isn't cool.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: JohnnyConverse]
    #14374244 - 04/29/11 07:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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you started this thread because you are mad about your parents ethics, then rebuttle everyone's input with a rejection of theirs - on the basis of their lack of platform to advance ethics that differ from yours, which you hold on the basis of ethical statements that everyone should be their own person




I started this thread as a way to analyze the roots of the war on drugs on a social level. I rebuttle any input only if i see a reason to do so. Just pointing out cultural differences and speaking about my point of view regarding respect and freedom is not harming anyone. Relax.


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ps garden chores are not a job




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    #14374281 - 04/29/11 07:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

right see that's like saying if you change your own oil for an hour you just contributed 50 bucks to the house because that's what a mechanic makes

it's just not like that

sorry

It's funny to me you want to hit reverse and claim this is some \social analysis thread

you started it to bitch about your parents


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    #14374576 - 04/29/11 08:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Man even if it is unjust, which it isn't, why don't you move out and become free.:oldman:


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    #14374893 - 04/29/11 09:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I hear ya brother.  I see from your registration date (which is before anyone else in this thread) that you are not a complaining teenager.  You all contribute something to the household.  I live in the US and I think it is ridiculous that most Americans have this phobia about living with their family past the age of 18.  It is a very inefficient way to live.  Each family is a small community for better or for worse.  I am sorry to hear that your family doesn't agree with your lifestyle choices.  You might try putting your thoughts into words.  Write them a letter stating your POV.  They may not listen to you, but, it is difficult not to read a letter that is written to you.  Just a thought.  I hope you can reconcile your differences with your family.:peace:


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    #14374947 - 04/29/11 09:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I hear ya brother.  I see from your registration date (which is before anyone else in this thread) that you are not a complaining teenager.  You all contribute something to the household.  I live in the US and I think it is ridiculous that most Americans have this phobia about living with their family past the age of 18.  It is a very inefficient way to live.  Each family is a small community for better or for worse.  I am sorry to hear that your family doesn't agree with your lifestyle choices.  You might try putting your thoughts into words.  Write them a letter stating your POV.  They may not listen to you, but, it is difficult not to read a letter that is written to you.  Just a thought.  I hope you can reconcile your differences with your family.:peace:




it doesn't matter if it's his parents or mates or what

if the whole house isn't cool with it and he's the only one that wants it in the house he's the one that needs to move

esp. if his name's not on the deed

and he's 18 exactly, he said so in the OP


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    #14375089 - 04/29/11 10:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Sterile said: i should just go by the rules of the house or get the fuck out.




Agreed.

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    #14376302 - 04/30/11 07:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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right see that's like saying if you change your own oil for an hour you just contributed 50 bucks to the house because that's what a mechanic makes

it's just not like that

sorry





Saving 50 bucks from your family expenses is not contributing?  :dudewtf:


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It's funny to me you want to hit reverse and claim this is some \social analysis thread

you started it to bitch about your parents




So you think i just felt strong need to vent about my family problem without looking at the roots and the relevance it has in a psychedelic community with like minded people?

Mind altering plants, shroomery, shroomerites, war on drugs, discrimination of the use of psychoactives. Yeah right, it was just something personal, i never thought it has any social relation with other psychonauts.

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    #14376317 - 04/30/11 07:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Thats prolly what you're gonna say to your kid in the future. Nice approach, full of understanding and open minded communication you got there.

What a great relationship! :thumbdown:


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    #14376324 - 04/30/11 07:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

man, this thread :doublefacepalm: :doublefacepalm:


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    #14376335 - 04/30/11 07:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Rough crowd OP

the thread is too long and full of non-constructive criticism so fuck all that

I say (as many others already have) throw out their tea, coffee and cigarettes. Psilocybin and alcohol containing products can stay since they're produced by fungi


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    #14376342 - 04/30/11 07:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I think the reason he has such an extremist and rediculous point of view in his arguments on everything from keeping psychs in the house to not getting a job, is merely a very strong case of denial where he is simply trying to convince himself that his actions are 100% justified.




So Dr.DeathCompany thinks keeping legal psychs in the house is wrong, and so is contributing personal work in a house instead of cash.Hmmm...interesting...



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The closer he comes to realizing what he is doing is wrong, it causes discomfort and he immediately tries to rationalize it to the point where he can tell himself its not actually his fault. It does not matter how detached the excuse is, he will make it work in his head to avoid trauma.




So you are telling me i need excuses to continue feeling OK about my hardcore crimes against humanity: Keeping LEGAL plants in my home and not working for cash all the time...dude....i'm sorry but....:gaystapo:

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Chances are if he reads this he will instantly experience strong irrational emotions and then try to find crazy excuses on how I'm completely wrong and what I said makes no sense in his situation, to soften the blow.


 

You are a prophet man. I found insanely crazy excuses and you are correct about everything.


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Sterile]
    #14376345 - 04/30/11 07:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Thats prolly what you're gonna say to your kid in the future. Nice approach, full of understanding and open minded communication you got there.

What a great relationship! :thumbdown:





I can relate with this.          Absolutely no 'open communication' with my parents, so i play they're game and hardly communicate with them  :shrug:


I don't plan to ever have kids but if I did, I believe first and formost I would talk open with them otherwise what's the fucking point.        Anytime my dad would rip on weed i would just tell him how his lovely religious neighbors all like to drink alcohol which is 10 times worse.

Fuck man the old generation is going to be dead in 20 years .


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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Sterile]
    #14376350 - 04/30/11 07:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What's wrong here is your inability to put the desires of others ahead of your own.
it's a sort of fundamental immaturity that will plague you until you outgrow it.

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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: mellowparty]
    #14376366 - 04/30/11 07:45 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You are right mellowparty, the criticism in this thread is starting to look worse than my initial problems. But i can clearly see why so many people like to dictate others what to eat and drink.

Eat what i tell you or GTFO. This is getting truly boring, i'm out of here.

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    #14376493 - 04/30/11 08:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You ever hear that chris rock thing about wanting a reward for doing shit you're just supposed to do? That's how I feel about doing chores around the house. You do them to have some pride and be independent and not live in a shithole, you don't do them to justify rent to your parents (which you can never really "pay back" unless you get richie rich rich or take care of them in their dotage in return)

It's very simple

if you like the living arrangement, stay

if you don't, go

If you don't like it but stay because getting a job chaps your ass, but you whine about the house rules, you should grow up and go

ultimately you have to decide if the loss of freedom from living with your parents as a grown man is less than the loss of freedom from having to (gasp) get a job

Now you can argue that you're from the magical country of family values and everyone lives at home till 30 there, not like the souless USA - but your family isn't treating you as an equal and you seem unhappy with their rules.

If you were an equal in the home, this thread wouldn't exist.

Unless you really think you can change their minds, you should just move out.

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    #14376544 - 04/30/11 08:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think we all know that it's useless to try to change your parents minds about anything; especially drugs that they have been raised to believe are morally and spiritually evil.

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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: JohnnyConverse]
    #14377232 - 04/30/11 11:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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You ever hear that chris rock thing about wanting a reward for doing shit you're just supposed to do? That's how I feel about doing chores around the house. You do them to have some pride and be independent and not live in a shithole, you don't do them to justify rent to your parents (which you can never really "pay back" unless you get richie rich rich or take care of them in their dotage in return)




So whats the difference when this same relationship exists between my mum and dad, or my wife and me? The classical thing around here, is that wife does all the housework, cleaning cooking etc. and husband usually works to bring cash home. Isn't that considered fair in your book? Does the gender play a role? Or does this <<secret>> arrangement between couples make it a fair trade for some reason?

Wife is supposed to do all that shit, but certainly awaits her reward for all that which is a full wallet to support the home. How come this sounds correct and fair? It is an equally loving relationship, no? Or do you tell her also what to inhale or GTFO?

Maybe my wife will never be able to pay me back unless she takes care of me during my dotage in that respect.


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ultimately you have to decide if the loss of freedom from living with your parents as a grown man is less than the loss of freedom from having to (gasp) get a job

Now you can argue that you're from the magical country of family values and everyone lives at home till 30 there, not like the souless USA - but your family isn't treating you as an equal and you seem unhappy with their rules.

If you were an equal in the home, this thread wouldn't exist.

Unless you really think you can change their minds, you should just move out.

Note: It's hard to change someone's mind if they taught you to wipe your ass





You gotta fight for your right to alter your consciousness either you're in your parents house or wherever people see it as a crime. It doesn't really matter where you are or who is against these values imo.

There will always be an opposite opinion on what you do with your consciousness, in ANY house.

My real home is planet earth and humans that incriminate the psychedelic experience usually know few things about it.Our role as psychonauts is to share our knowledge and kindly give an insight to the people who feel alienated from this natural biological function, even if they taught you to wipe your ass!

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Re: War on mind altering plants in my house [Re: Sterile]
    #14379182 - 04/30/11 07:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So sense you are stickin to your opinion whats your plan? Are you gonna keep the legal plants?:strokebeard:


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    #14379877 - 04/30/11 10:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

As long as you're under their roof, you should do what they say. Getting high at a home without worry is a luxury for when you manage to get up and find your own place.


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    #14381546 - 05/01/11 07:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You'd do a lot more for our rights to alter our consciousness if you'd prove OUR point that pyschonauts can be otherwise healthy independent people instead of their point that druggies are overgrown children


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    #14381554 - 05/01/11 07:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

And i wouldn't marry someone that a disagreed with me about something so profound and b would let me pull that shit ...sincerely good luck changing their opinion though, for real. Hope it works.


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    #14383154 - 05/01/11 03:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

we are talking in a peaceful climate, information does make a difference and internet helps alot.http://www.shroomery.org/forums/newreply.php?Cat=0&Board=37&Number=14379182&page=0&what=showflat&fpart=9&vc=1&replystamp=1304283214. 

Legal psychs are staying, and i don't see any serious disagreements up to now.

@Doc-T:  Thanx for the negative rating, just because we have different viewing angle on social ethics.

@JohnnyConverse: 
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You'd do a lot more for our rights to alter our consciousness if you'd prove OUR point that pyschonauts can be otherwise healthy independent people instead of their point that druggies are overgrown children [quote/]

I prefer to depend on people who love me instead of some asshole boss at work. You can choose whatever suits you best.

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And i wouldn't marry someone that a disagreed with me about something so profound and b would let me pull that shit ...sincerely good luck changing their opinion though, for real. Hope it works. [quote/]

Be careful, cos women can change quite a bit after you marry them, you can't always be shure about their opinion over psychs in the long run. Thanx for wishing me luck, i'm gonna need it!:wink:


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