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Pass the popcorn
    #14360248 - 04/27/11 09:39 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)



There are two possibilities for what happens next.

One is that a red-faced Birther movement will sheepishly slink away and commit seppuku.

The other is that they will be committed (pun intended) to the cause and double down on the crazy.

FORGED! WHERE'S THE DOCTOR NOW? OH, HE'S DEAD? WELL HOW CONVEEEENIENT! AND THIS ONE DOESN'T SAY "BIRTH CERTIFICATE" AT THE TOP, EITHER!!!

The previous position that "if he just released it, we'd all shut up" will go down the memory hole. Mark my words...

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Re: Pass the popcorn [Re: jimbotron]
    #14360303 - 04/27/11 09:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

my birth certificate looks nothing like that :shrug:  but anyways...  who cares..  what cha gon do anyways?


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Re: Pass the popcorn [Re: jimbotron]
    #14360364 - 04/27/11 10:06 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

From the left-leaning AP:
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Responding to critics' relentless claims, President Barack Obama on Wednesday produced a detailed Hawaii birth certificate in an extraordinary attempt to bury the issue of where he was born and confirm his legitimacy to hold office. He declared, "We do not have time for this kind of silliness."




How is producing a birth certificate "extraordinary"?  If he had the document, why didn't he produce it two years ago and stifle the issue before it began?  I've always assumed his birth was in Hawaii based upon statements made by the Hawaii Governor and based upon birth announcements in the news papers, but I really wonder why Obama was so stubborn about proving it.  I suspect he liked the debate as it gave something to distract both the otards and the birthers.


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Re: Pass the popcorn [Re: Seuss]
    #14360443 - 04/27/11 10:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Eh, I still wouldn't have.

When was the last time you heard a President asked for his birth certificate?

Did Bush produce his?

Clinton?

Bush Sr?

Why did Obama *need* to produce his?  Because some whack-job Republicans wanted him to?

Where does that end?  When does that become an invasion of privacy?  I want Sarah Palin to release records showing that Trig was actually her baby.  Should she have to do so?


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Re: Pass the popcorn [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #14360519 - 04/27/11 10:50 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

> Why did Obama *need* to produce his?

To end the countless wasted hours people put into stirring up controversy against the President.  Personally, I believe that anybody running for President should have to prove they are a citizen since citizenship is a requirement outlined in the Constitution.

I'm not claiming that Obama was legally required to produce anything... I just feel that he helped fuel the "bad blood" by being so stubborn over something trivial.

> I want Sarah Palin to release records showing that Trig was actually her baby.

This has nothing to do with the requirements outlined in the Constitution for holding the office of President.  If she is running, then she should be required to prove that she is a citizen and that she is old enough.  Beyond that, no, her privacy outweighs the public's need to know.


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Re: Pass the popcorn [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #14360521 - 04/27/11 10:50 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The bleat about Obama's birth certificate originated with the Hillary Clinton campaign.  The more time that he didn't produce it the more people wondered why.  And yes, other candidates and Presidents have had their birth questioned.  Most recently Obama's opponent John McCain, who was born in the Panama Canal zone.  Finally, I'm not sure Donald Trump is even a Republican yet unless he recently registered.  He certainly hasn't been one for long.


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Re: Pass the popcorn [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #14360540 - 04/27/11 10:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The sarah palin argument has no hold because it doesn't fall under the constitutional requirement for the president to be a natural uscitizen. As far as bush and all the other presidents go, there wasn't any question as to their birth so it never came up.

Obama set the precedent because it's the first time the question has really arisen. Now that he's cleared it up, I hope everyone will just drop it. However, you can bet that from now on any president on either side of the fence will be compelled to provide their certificate as well. For someone with that much power, and since it's specified in the constitution explicitly, I see this as a good thing and not an invasion of privacy.

But yeah, drop this shit. I could understand the argument at least about him not showing his long cert, but making these new claims is just dumb imo. Case closed.

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Re: Pass the popcorn [Re: Seuss]
    #14360546 - 04/27/11 10:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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This has nothing to do with the requirements outlined in the Constitution for holding the office of President.  If she is running, then she should be required to prove that she is a citizen and that she is old enough.  Beyond that, no, her privacy outweighs the public's need to know.




Didn't Obama's previously released Certificate of Live Birth do this?

This was released years ago and is recognized in Hawaii as a de-facto birth certificate.

But still the controversy raged.  I doubt it will end now.

Republicans are intractable on the issue.  As I said, I wouldn't have released it even now.  All the Republicans are doing is making themselves look even more petty and unconcerned with the actual problems of the country.

And I could just choke Rance Preibus, the head of the Republican Party.

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/daywatch/sns-ap-us-obama-birth-certificate,0,4371850.story

In a statement after Obama spoke, Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus called the issue a distraction — and yet blamed Obama for playing campaign politics by addressing it.

"The president ought to spend his time getting serious about repairing our economy," Priebus said. "Unfortunately his campaign politics and talk about birth certificates is distracting him from our number one priority — our economy."





HIS TALK?  What a shameful piece of political revisionism.


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Re: Pass the popcorn [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #14360650 - 04/27/11 11:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

He didn't say "his talk".

He said "his campaign politics and talk about......is distracting him".  That sentence does not necessarily parse into "his talk".  It could but it doesn't have to.


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Re: Pass the popcorn [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14360679 - 04/27/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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He didn't say "his talk".

He said "his campaign politics and talk about......is distracting him".  That sentence does not necessarily parse into "his talk".  It could but it doesn't have to.




You can read it that way if you'd like.  Obama has done his best of ignore the issue for years and received only criticism for it, much of that from the Republican party.  Should he have not released the certificate?  Is that the stance of Mr. Preibus, and hence the GOP?  As I said, I would not have, but I think Mr. Preibus is trying to have it both ways by saying that Obama should not have addressed it while the unwashed masses that he represents are clamoring for Obama to do precisely the opposite.


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Re: Pass the popcorn [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #14360798 - 04/27/11 12:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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He didn't say "his talk".

He said "his campaign politics and talk about......is distracting him".  That sentence does not necessarily parse into "his talk".  It could but it doesn't have to.




You can read it that way if you'd like.  Obama has done his best of ignore the issue for years and received only criticism for it, much of that from the Republican party.  Should he have not released the certificate?  Is that the stance of Mr. Preibus, and hence the GOP?  As I said, I would not have, but I think Mr. Preibus is trying to have it both ways by saying that Obama should not have addressed it while the unwashed masses that he represents are clamoring for Obama to do precisely the opposite.




And I don't think Preibus is saying that Obama was the one doing the talking.  Of course, Obama could have ended all that talk years ago, which he should have done.  Hillary started it and Obama made it last.  Most actual Republican politicians didn't want to have anything to do with it, including even Michelle Bachman.  Trump is nobody.  He is no more than Lady Gaga.  He doesn't speak for the Republican party and though he is trumpeting this as some kind of victory it just makes him look like an idiot.


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Re: Pass the popcorn [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14360811 - 04/27/11 12:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Orly Taitz, just now:

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"In those years ... when they wrote race, they were writing 'Negro' not 'African'. "In those days nobody wrote African as a race, it just wasn't one of the options. It sounds like it would be written today, in the age of political correctness, and not in 1961 when they wrote white or Asian or 'Negro'."




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Re: Pass the popcorn [Re: jimbotron]
    #14360814 - 04/27/11 12:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

That nut again?


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Re: Pass the popcorn [Re: Seuss]
    #14360821 - 04/27/11 12:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Seuss said:To end the countless wasted hours people put into stirring up controversy against the President.




Why the fuck is this is a controversy? Are you this obtuse?

If I say that you raped and murdered an infant, do you have to provide proof to contrary because it's 'out there' and it's a 'controversy'? Of course not.

Why does Obama have to 'prove' that he was born here? Why is anyone talking about this at all?

BECAUSE HE'S BLACK. BECAUSE THE BIRTHERS ARE RACISTS. IF THEY WERE SO TERRIFIED ABOUT FOREIGNERS SNEAKING ONTO THE BALLOT THEN EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT WOULD HAVE FACED THE SAME ALLEGATIONS. THIS IS THE ONLY GODDAMN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HIM AND THEM. HE'S 'A NIGGER' TO THE BIRTHERS AND THEY HATE HIM. DEAL WITH IT.

(inb4 "Donald Trump says he has a good relationship with 'the blacks' so you're a liar")

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Re: Pass the popcorn [Re: jimbotron]
    #14360855 - 04/27/11 12:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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jimbotron said:
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Seuss said:To end the countless wasted hours people put into stirring up controversy against the President.




Why the fuck is this is a controversy? Are you this obtuse?

If I say that you raped and murdered an infant, do you have to provide proof to contrary because it's 'out there' and it's a 'controversy'? Of course not.

Why does Obama have to 'prove' that he was born here? Why is anyone talking about this at all?

BECAUSE HE'S BLACK. BECAUSE THE BIRTHERS ARE RACISTS. IF THEY WERE SO CONCERNED WITH FOREIGNERS SNEAKING ONTO THE BALLOT THEN EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT WOULD HAVE FACED THE SAME SCRUTINY. THIS IS THE ONLY GODDAMN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HIM AND THEM. HE'S 'A NIGGER' TO THE BIRTHERS AND THEY HATE HIM. DEAL WITH IT.



That's pretty stupid.  As I pointed out it was Democrats who started the issue.  And as I also pointed out John fucking McCain had to deal with similar nonsense about being born in the canal zone.  Stick your fingers in your ears and go "LALALA I'm not listening."

I do hate the commie cunt, though, but not because he is, as you so delicately describe him, "a nigger".  And shouldn't every Presidential candidate have to prove their legal standing to run?  Obama let this run as long as he thought it was helping him.  As soon as he didn't think that anymore he caved.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/04/028909.php

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Today, President Obama finally released his "long-form," or official, birth certificate. There has never been any doubt about the fact that Obama was born in Honolulu. The local newspapers reported it; case closed. Therefore, he is a natural-born American citizen and is eligible for the presidency.

The mystery has always been, why was Obama so reluctant to release his long-form birth certificate? There have been two possible explanations: 1) the birth certificate contains some embarrassing information that Obama would prefer not to make public; or 2) he thought the "birther" controversy was hurting Republicans, and therefore wanted to keep it going.

I don't see anything embarrassing about it. That suggests that Obama was keeping it out of sight on the theory that it was a distraction to Republicans that made some of them look bad with independents. That hypothesis is consistent with the timing of the release of the birth certificate: polls in recent weeks have shown that the "issue" was apparently hurting Obama, as astonishingly large numbers of Americans told pollsters that they doubted whether Obama was born in the U.S. So he decided to call the game off. That's how it looks to me, anyway.

Now we can get back to serious issues, like the federal debt and the price of gasoline.




I sure would like to know how the fucking moron got into Columbia and Harvard Law.  I thought those schools were supposed to be selective.


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Re: Pass the popcorn [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14360981 - 04/27/11 12:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

meh...who cares how he got into those schools. it has no relevance. everyone knows bush's dad got him into college and bush was a C student.

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Re: Pass the popcorn [Re: JT]
    #14361052 - 04/27/11 01:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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meh...who cares how he got into those schools. it has no relevance. everyone knows bush's dad got him into college and bush was a C student.



Yep.  Preferences.  Both of them.  But Bush got hammered for decades because of it.  Why not Obama?


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Re: Pass the popcorn [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14361230 - 04/27/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

> Why the fuck is this is a controversy? Are you this obtuse?

Easy there, Jimbo.  Reading comprehension isn't your strong point, is it?

> Why does Obama have to 'prove' that he was born here?

He doesn't.  My gripe is that there were a lot of people questioning the legitimacy of the President and that he could have easily ended that questioning yet he chose not to do so.

> BECAUSE HE'S BLACK. BECAUSE THE BIRTHERS ARE RACISTS.

You seem to be the racist one... nobody else is bringing up race, except you.  What does his skin color have to do with anything.  I guess all those people that demanded John McCain's birth certificate because he was born in Panama are racist as well?  Not everybody in the world is worried about skin color the way you seem to be, Jimbo.


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Re: Pass the popcorn [Re: Seuss]
    #14361238 - 04/27/11 01:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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How is producing a birth certificate "extraordinary"?  If he had the document, why didn't he produce it two years ago and stifle the issue before it began?




He did.  He released the one we all carry(so-called short form) and not one single official from the Dept of Records in Hawaii came forward to say it was a fake.  It was and is a non-issue.

Obviously it's not over.  The birthers have already switched gears to attack his qualifications for entrance to college, and at least one nutjob is saying "natural born" means both parents must be citizens.  It's nonsense, but Fox is giving it lots of airtime.


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meh...who cares how he got into those schools. it has no relevance. everyone knows bush's dad got him into college and bush was a C student.



Yep.  Preferences.  Both of them.  But Bush got hammered for decades because of it.  Why not Obama?




Please hammer Obama for graduating magna cum laude from Harvard Law School.
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Re: Pass the popcorn [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14361249 - 04/27/11 01:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

> Obviously it's not over.

I wish it would end... I have no love for Obama, but this birther crap gets as old as the WTC conspiracy BS.  Focus on the harm the idiot in office has done.  There is more than enough of that to go around.


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