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InvisibleDiploidM
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God Is Really Good To Her
    #14360634 - 04/27/11 11:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

So I was walking in a parking lot today when a woman on the phone walked past me saying "The police found her car? Really? That's great! God is really good to her".

I :facepalm: and shook my head wondering if that woman said "God is really an asshole to her" when the car was stolen.

Selection bias seems almost to be the definition of the religions.


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Re: God Is Really Good To Her [Re: Diploid]
    #14360668 - 04/27/11 11:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

when something terrible happens to a religious person: "Oh that's just God testing my faith!"

when something good happens to a religous person: "God just rewarded me for being such a devouted "good" follower"

Pretty rediculous that I still know people who actually follow this illogical mantra.


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Re: God Is Really Good To Her [Re: briant230]
    #14360807 - 04/27/11 12:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The surgeons were able to save him from the necrotizing fasciitis and they only had to amputate three and a half of his limbs? It's so wonderful when God personally intervenes with a miracle like that!


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Re: God Is Really Good To Her [Re: Diploid]
    #14361450 - 04/27/11 02:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Haha I first did read "God is really good to hear."
Nice implications :lol:


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Re: God Is Really Good To Her [Re: Diploid]
    #14363086 - 04/27/11 07:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

don't you get tired of making these posts year after year?

you make this same post but with different stories or either entirely hypothetical over and over

also...quit eavesdropping


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Re: God Is Really Good To Her [Re: Cherk]
    #14363153 - 04/27/11 07:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Do you get tired of reading threads that don't interest you, then derailing them with irrelevancies?

And I wasn't eavesdropping. She walked right by me with her loud mouth flapping.


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Re: God Is Really Good To Her [Re: Diploid]
    #14363482 - 04/27/11 08:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You should have said something to her, she's obviously delusional, you're slacking, her living her life with this selection bias is going to get her into trouble some day and you could have nipped it in the bud, turned her life right around.


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Re: God Is Really Good To Her [Re: falcon]
    #14363600 - 04/27/11 09:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

haha


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Re: God Is Really Good To Her [Re: falcon]
    #14363636 - 04/27/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

her living her life with this selection bias is going to get her into trouble some day

It very well could.

Lots of people die of treatable diseases because they go to faith healers instead of doctors. Every few years there's a story in the paper of some parents who let their child slowly wither away and die a horrifying death after months of non-treatment because they had faith god would cure them.

It's one reason I don't let up on the stupidity of faith.

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WESTON, Wis. (AP) — Two parents who prayed as their 11-year-old daughter died of untreated diabetes were charged Monday with second-degree reckless homicide.

Family and friends had urged Dale and Leilani Neumann to get help for their daughter, but the father considered the illness "a test of faith" and the mother never considered taking the girl to the doctor because she thought her daughter was under a "spiritual attack," the criminal complaint said.

"It is very surprising, shocking that she wasn't allowed medical intervention," Marathon County District Attorney Jill Falstad said. "Her death could have been prevented."

Madeline Neumann died March 23 — Easter Sunday — at her family's rural Weston home. Her parents were told the body would be taken to Madison for an autopsy the next day.

"They responded, 'You won't need to do that. She will be alive by then,'" the medical examiner wrote in a report.

An autopsy determined that Madeline died from undiagnosed diabetic ketoacidosis, which left her with too little insulin in her body. Court records said she likely had some symptoms of the disease for months.

The Neumanns each face up to 25 years in prison if convicted. The couple and their attorney did not immediately return messages left Monday by The Associated Press.

Falstad said the Neumanns have cooperated with investigators and are not under arrest. They have agreed to make an initial court appearance Wednesday, she said.

Randall Wormgoor, a friend of the Neumanns, told police that Dale Neumann led Bible studies at his business, Monkey Mo Coffee Shop, and believed physical illness was due to sin, curable by prayer and by asking for forgiveness from God, the complaint said.

Wormgoor said he and his wife, Althea, were at the Neumann home when Madeline — _ called Kara by her parents — died. Wormgoor said he had urged the father to seek medical help and was told the illness "was a test of faith for the Neumann family and asked the Wormgoors to join them in praying for Kara to get well," the complaint said.

Althea Wormgoor said she "implored" the parents to seek medical help for the girl, the complaint said.

Leilani Neumann, 40, told the AP previously she never expected her daughter to die. The family believes in the Bible, which says healing comes from God, but they have nothing against doctors, she said.

Dale Neumann, 46, a former police officer, has said he has friends who are doctors and started CPR "as soon as the breath of life left" his daughter's body.

According to court documents, Leilani Neumann said in a written statement to police that she never considered taking the girl, who was being home-schooled, to a doctor.

"We just thought it was a spiritual attack and we prayed for her. My husband Dale was crying and mentioned taking Kara to the doctor and I said, 'The Lord's going to heal her,' and we continued to pray," she wrote.

The father told investigators he noticed his daughter was weak and slower for about two weeks but he attributed it to symptoms of the girl reaching puberty, the complaint said.

A day before Madeline died, according to the criminal complaint, the father wrote an e-mail with the headline, "Help our daughter needs emergency prayer!!!!." It said his daughter was "very weak and pale at the moment with hardly any strength."

The girl's grandmother, Evalani Gordon, told police that she learned her granddaughter could not walk or talk on March 22 and advised Leilani Neumann to take the girl to a doctor.

Gordon eventually contacted a daughter-in-law in California who called police on a non-emergency line to report the girl was in a coma and needed medical help. An ambulance was dispatched shortly before some friends in the home called 911 to report the girl had stopped breathing, authorities said.

One relative told police that the girl's mother believed she "died because the devil is trying to stop Leilani from starting her own ministry," the complaint said.

The Neumanns said they moved to Weston, a suburb of Wausau in central Wisconsin, from California about two years ago to open the coffee shop and be closer to other relatives. The couple has three other children, ages 13 to 16; they are living with relatives.

The family does not belong to an organized religion or faith, Leilani Neumann has said.

Everest Metro Police Chief Dan Vergin said the parents once belonged to the Lighthouse Pentecostal Church but later became what he called religious "isolationists" involved in a prayer group of five people.

"They have gone out on their own," he said. "... They have a very narrow view of Scripture and I would say not many people hold to that narrow of view."

In March, an Oregon couple who belong to a church that preaches against medical care and believes in treating illness with prayer were charged with manslaughter and criminal mistreatment in the death of their 15-month-old daughter. The toddler died March 2 of bronchial pneumonia and a blood infection that could have been treated with antibiotics, the state medical examiner's office said.


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: God Is Really Good To Her [Re: Diploid]
    #14363837 - 04/27/11 09:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Diploid said:It's one reason I don't let up on the stupidity of faith.



Sure you do,
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Diploid said:I :facepalm:  and shook my head wondering




I went to a funeral a couple of weeks ago, the girl whose father died was consoled by her friend, a friend who is an atheist; the friend said, he's in a better place now and will get to be with your mom and brother.

I shook and thought "What would Diploid do?"


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Re: God Is Really Good To Her [Re: Diploid]
    #14364311 - 04/27/11 11:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Diploid said:
So I was walking in a parking lot today when a woman on the phone walked past me saying "The police found her car? Really? That's great! God is really good to her".

I :facepalm: and shook my head wondering if that woman said "God is really an asshole to her" when the car was stolen.

Selection bias seems almost to be the definition of the religions.




yes but why should all people be intelligent? Maybe it is better that this untintelligent person has been given some morals rather than going down a destructive path of meaningless abandon, stealing cars and spreading diseases


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Re: God Is Really Good To Her [Re: briant230]
    #14364776 - 04/28/11 12:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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BlueCoyote said:
Haha I first did read "God is really good to hear."
Nice implications :lol:





Yeah, that's what I read first as well.  What is the "nice implications" you refer to though?

Quote:

briant230 said:
when something terrible happens to a religious person: "Oh that's just God testing my faith!"

when something good happens to a religous person: "God just rewarded me for being such a devouted "good" follower"

Pretty rediculous that I still know people who actually follow this illogical mantra.





Yeah, this to me seems incredibly egocentric and arrogant.  How do the people get off thinking that every significant thing in their life is a result of god making some plan just for them?  Its not like things happen in a vacuum- how do these people know the incident wasn't made for someone else, whether for a reward, learning opportunity, revenge, spite, whatever.  How do they justify an assumption that everything that happens is made for them rather than any of the other people it affects?


Additionally, as briant230 noted, this is a ridiculous interpretation even if we ignore the above problem.  They lack a consistent interpretation or analysis: when something god happens it is because god intended that goodness to befall you because he wants you to have it, but when something bad happens, it is not similarly because god wants you to have that bad thing, but only because he wants to test you.  How can this disparity in interpretation be logically rationalized?  When something bad happens (such as God instructing you to slaughter your children with a knife- something several people have claimed to have been told and which the bible confirms is something God does), would it not make sense to presume it is because god wants to hurt you, just as when something good happens it is because he wants to reward you/bless you?  The bible is full of verses assuring us that god is spiteful, angry, jealous, and a prolific killer.  Many of the acts god carried out as told in the bible were not to "test" people but to purposely harm them, hurt them, for whatever reason.


I think Christians might be thinking illogically- shocking, I know.


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Re: God Is Really Good To Her [Re: johnm214]
    #14366663 - 04/28/11 12:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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johnm214 said:
Quote:

BlueCoyote said:
Haha I first did read "God is really good to hear."
Nice implications :lol:





Yeah, that's what I read first as well.  What is the "nice implications" you refer to though?



I thought, only the good messages are those from God. The bad ones are the reflection of nothingness in God, so the woman was happy to hear a message from 'God' :shrug: :lol:


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Re: God Is Really Good To Her [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #14367220 - 04/28/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"the atheist should not say that god is dead, but that god is unconscious".

i don't know why, but this thread made me thing of that


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Re: God Is Really Good To Her [Re: Diploid]
    #14367392 - 04/28/11 02:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You're just jealous you don't have an imaginary friend of your own.


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Re: God Is Really Good To Her [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14367426 - 04/28/11 02:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

As a matter of fact, I do. But I only talk to him when I'm tripping or rolling really hard by myself and get lonely. His name if Felipe. Really. :yesnod:


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: God Is Really Good To Her [Re: Taco Chef]
    #14367658 - 04/28/11 03:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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novumorganum said:
"the atheist should not say that god is dead, but that god is unconscious".

i don't know why, but this thread made me thing of that



who said this? An atheist by definition denies the existence of God altogether.


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Re: God Is Really Good To Her [Re: Diploid]
    #14368525 - 04/28/11 06:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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But I only talk to him when I'm tripping or rolling really hard by myself and get lonely. His name if Felipe.




That sounds like a handsome latino pool boy.
And you only talk to him when you're rolling :naughty:


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Re: God Is Really Good To Her [Re: jivJaN]
    #14368547 - 04/28/11 06:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well, my imaginary friend used to be Carmen, but she talks too much. :blah:


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Re: God Is Really Good To Her [Re: auxiliary]
    #14368755 - 04/28/11 06:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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auxiliary said:
Quote:

novumorganum said:
"the atheist should not say that god is dead, but that god is unconscious".

i don't know why, but this thread made me thing of that



who said this? An atheist by definition denies the existence of God altogether.





Lacan, and, yes, as an atheist i know this, and i think that is part of the fun of the quote, as the unconscious does not exist either, unless it is constructed by the subject...saying god is dead implies he was once alive, saying he is unconscious is saying he was never there except as a posited model in the first place.

but in the sense of the posts in this thread, ie god did this for me, god is looking out for me etc etc


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Re: God Is Really Good To Her [Re: Taco Chef]
    #14369379 - 04/28/11 08:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I see


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