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Re: Links Galore (For People Who Dont Like Search) [Re: dankakanat]
    #14370227 - 04/28/11 11:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Pucks = Pressed..Substrate..Cakes

I gotta say. Thats a big ass mushroom for a cake.


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Re: Links Galore (For People Who Dont Like Search) [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #14370262 - 04/28/11 11:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

this is not my tek credit go's to (Admin (Admin)

Improving BRF Cake Formula: Super Cakes



invitro pinning pf cake
there are many 'teks' floating around
that are more 'wishful thinking'
than useful practical formulas.
let me share some real good practical advice with you about cake formulas.
your basic pf formula, brown rice round up and mixed with verm and water,
is damn near close to perfect 'as is'.
there are very few improvements you can make
that actually change/improve on it.
most of those are still fairly minor,
only slightly improving performance/yield.
the biggest area for easy improvement
is in the water.
pf just uses ordinary water
but there are better choices.
pf himself recommended 'natural water',
i.e. water from natural sources like creeks, rivers, lakes, etc. no salt water, of course.
i tested it several times,
as have others,
and pf was right.
'natural water' kicks major ass
and makes a noticeable improvement over tap.
that's because it contains lots of dissolved nutrients from running over fields, fish shit, etc.
this can be further improved upon
by the addition of a small amount of worm castings/manure to the water bucket to soak 24 hours, creating a manure 'tea'.
cubies thrive on manures and show a strong positive response to this addition.
again, worthwhile.

all of these improvements can be used apart or combined.
but still only use 1/4 cup of water per cake.

now, as for the dry ingredients-
still with the brf
but you can add a tablespoon or two of 'additives' that will be helpful.

bee pollen is one additive that seems to help,
but very little is needed,
only 1/4 teaspoon in a cake is enough.

also about the same amount of nutritional yeast.

don't try adding grains unless you grind them first, just like the rice.

but a tablespoon of flax seed is a nice supplement.

that's about it,
nothing more is needed or really even worthwhile
as far as pf cake formulas go.

this is not my tek credit go's to (~Hippie3)

Hippie's supercake formula

i use
lake water
with 2 tablespoons of liquid kelp extract added per gallon
i toss a cup of worm castings in a 2.5 gallon jug with that
and let it brew a couple days

> a batch = 12 half pints

each batch gets 4 heaping cups vermiculite , medium horticultural grade.
2 heaping cups coarse freshly ground rice
2 level cups lake water 'tea'

then i add

1 teaspoon of nutritional yeast,
1 tablespoon bee pollen,
1 tablespoon flax seed
1 tablespoon shredded coconut meat/flour
1 tablespoon blue corn meal
1 tablespoon coarse yellow corn meal
1 tablespoon of powdered/ground kelp meal
1 tablespoon of cottonseed meal



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Re: Links Galore (For People Who Dont Like Search) [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #14370289 - 04/28/11 11:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I get the fact that you doing your part in contributing to the community.  It would be so much more "Powerful" and "Meaningful" if YOU used these teks and posted your own results.  I applaud your enthusiasm!  Now put your words into action!  Post pics of your own grows based on teks you have posted.  That is much more powerful and meaningful.  :super:


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Re: Links Galore (For People Who Dont Like Search) [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #14370340 - 04/28/11 11:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i plan to :mushroom2: i got alot of ideas for tek's


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Re: Links Galore (For People Who Dont Like Search) [Re: dankakanat]
    #14371105 - 04/29/11 03:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

This thread is like a time machine that takes you back before people understood much about growing mushrooms at home.


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Re: Links Galore (For People Who Dont Like Search) [Re: Doc_T]
    #14371318 - 04/29/11 06:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks a lot!  That is some very interesting reading.:cool:


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Re: Links Galore (For People Who Dont Like Search) [Re: Mycowlogist]
    #14371320 - 04/29/11 06:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

LOL... Plus it saves you a lot of time when "helpful" people tell you to just use the search function!

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Re: Links Galore (For People Who Dont Like Search) [Re: Mycowlogist]
    #14371569 - 04/29/11 07:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i cant believe he posted the shroom blotter paper tek...


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Re: Links Galore (For People Who Dont Like Search) [Re: k00laid]
    #14371861 - 04/29/11 09:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

lol whys that :hehehe:


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Re: Links Galore (For People Who Dont Like Search) [Re: dankakanat]
    #14372028 - 04/29/11 10:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

another good pic i found for brf dunking.


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Re: Links Galore (For People Who Dont Like Search) [Re: dankakanat]
    #14372202 - 04/29/11 11:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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lol whys that :hehehe:




you really think that shit worked?


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Re: Links Galore (For People Who Dont Like Search) [Re: k00laid]
    #14372225 - 04/29/11 11:36 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

if u can drink it why would it not work if u soak it up nobody said it didn't work that i seen lol and it looked cool :evil:


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Re: Links Galore (For People Who Dont Like Search) [Re: dankakanat]
    #14372345 - 04/29/11 12:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

thanks for the interesting read...fun little time looking at all the pictorial teks:stoned:


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Re: Links Galore (For People Who Dont Like Search) [Re: dankakanat]
    #14372561 - 04/29/11 01:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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if u can drink it why would it not work if u soak it up nobody said it didn't work that i seen lol and it looked cool :evil:





try evaping some tea to get some "psilocybin crystals"

you'll see.


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Re: Links Galore (For People Who Dont Like Search) [Re: k00laid]
    #14372874 - 04/29/11 02:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Will using lakewater in BRF cakes actually improve the yeilds/potency? The logic is sound to me but I've no experience beyond my first grow which still hasn't finished.


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Re: Links Galore (For People Who Dont Like Search) [Re: Hive Node]
    #14372904 - 04/29/11 02:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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Will using lakewater in BRF cakes actually improve the yeilds/potency? The logic is sound to me but I've no experience beyond my first grow which still hasn't finished.





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Re: Links Galore (For People Who Dont Like Search) [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #14372912 - 04/29/11 02:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

Hive Node said:
Will using lakewater in BRF cakes actually improve the yeilds/potency? The logic is sound to me but I've no experience beyond my first grow which still hasn't finished.





No.




Maybe if everything else was perfectly perfect you might possible see a difference.


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    #14377137 - 04/30/11 11:31 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i found this, this is not mine

General Cultivation Questions

What is Perlite?
Perilite is made of small white volcanic mineral pebbles that can be used in substrates for aeration and fruiting chambers for higher levels of humidity. Commonly found in potting soils.

What is Vermiculite?
Weathered Mica that has been heated until its expanded. Great additive to prevent substrate and/or casing compaction - helps with aeration and water retention - Ever wondered what that glittery stuff in your bag of shrooms was? Thats the stuff!

Where do I get Mason Jars?
Many places. Lowes, Walmart, Home depot, Anywhere they sell canning supplies should have them. Spores 101 sells them too!

What is tyvek and where can I buy it?
It is a weather resistant media that is breathable and has many different uses....as for use in this hobby it is primarily used as a filter as you may see in many applications in "teks" for wbs(wild bird seed) jars,grain jars, and even is incorporated into some peoples fc's...You can obtain this material free of charge via the local postal office per envelopes....better yet you can have them shipped to your door to save you the hassle...free of charge never-the-less!
Where can I buy my supplies? Most of your supplies can be found at mushbox.com or spores101.com. You can also find most of your more common supplies at walmart, or Lowes. I have found everything I need at these shops. These are the only places I have shopped for supplies no need to go anywhere else.

What are some common casing soil ingredients?
Peat moss, vermiculite, and coco coir are the most common.
Credit to Sungirl69's Archived FAQ


What are some common pH buffers?
Calcium carbonate is a natural substance and can be purchased in many forms. One of the most common and easy to find source for calcium carbonate is crushed oyster shell found in the bird supplies section at the pet store. Another common ingredient is calcium hydroxide can be purchased in the form of pickling lime,or quick lime, pickling lime is found in walmart near the canning jars. Some other pH buffers are gypsum, and chalk.
Credit to Sungirl69's Archived FAQ


What is the difference in strain potency?
All p. cubensis mushrooms primarily have the same psychoactive chemicals know as psilocybin and psylocin. The mixture of these psychedelic alkaloids as well as cultivation methods make the difference. It is hard to say for sure which p.cubensis strain is more potent then another and to most people they find a favorite for one reason or another. Some members on this forum are fond of South American strain while others like Tasmanian. I am particularly fond of Cambodian. The fact is that it is a personal preference. I am sure no matter which p. cubensis strain you choose to study, you will not be disappointed.

What is the difference in a spore syringe and spore print, and which one should I buy?
A spore print is the actual spores released by the mushroom that has been collected on a piece of paper and will need to be prepared following a tek to make a syringe before use. A syringe is an inoculant that has already been prepared using a print. If you are new to cultivation you will want to purchase a syringe as there is no preparation work needed to use a syringe. Once you are familiar with cultivation you will be able to collect your own spore print and make your own syringes.

My spore syringe looks like there are no spores in it, why?
Spores are microscopic, so tiny that sometimes they will not be visible. In most cases when you see spores in your syringe you are actually looking at clumps of spores that have stuck together. If your syringe looks like there is nothing in it but water, rest assured there are spores there you just cant see them.
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My buddy only boils his jars and has never seen contams,can't I do that?
A Pressure Cooker(PC) is the preferred method - Some people do get by with no pressure cooker and they're lucky. To be consistently succesful, pony up and get a Pressure Cooker!

What is the difference in a cake and a casing, and which method should I use?
A casing is an advanced method for cultivation using a grain based substrate, the fully colonized substrate is crumbled and layered in a pan with casing soil layered on top used to simulate nature, the casing soil provides a micro-climate and nutrients to help with fruiting, it involves many variables thus increasing the risk of human error. A cake is an easier method of colonization using brown rice flour and vermiculite as a substrate, the fully colonized substrate is gently removed from the jar whole and has the appearance of a cake thus the name. The cake is introduced to fruiting conditions and fruited as is, without added soil. If you are new to cultivation I would recommend using the cake cultivation method as there are less variables thus less risk of human error and a higher success rate.
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What is the difference in pasteurizing and sterilizing?
Sterilizing kills all organisms and their spores and pasteurizing kills only heat susceptible harmful organisms while leaving helpful micro organisms that may be beneficial. Heat sterilizing involves temperatures of over 250 deg for extended periods of time. Pasteurizing involves temperatures of 160-179 deg for shorter periods of time. Substrates that do not contain helpful micro-organisms such as grain should be sterilized, while bulk substrates that do contain helpful micro-organisms such as dung and straw should be pasteurized.


What is the best light to use for growing mushrooms?
Pretty much any light source which looks "white" should work well to show the mushrooms which direction to grow. Some sources which are known to be effective are: diffuse sunlight; fluorescent lamps labelled as Daylight/xxxxK, Cool White/xxxxK, or Full Spectrum; uncoloured incandescent lamps (the heat they generate can be a problem though), battery operated, stick-on, white light LED based fixtures sold as undercounter or closet lights. Some sources which don't appear to put out enough energy in the required wavelength(s) are: Warm White/xxxxK and Soft White/xxxxK fluorescent lamps; blue LED Christmas lights; most lamps which look to be red, orange, or green.

What growing method will give me the BIGGEST yield?
There is no substitute for experience. But a good rule of thumb = Cake- low. Casing/Bulk - medium to high.

Can I re-use my old syringes?
When it comes to sterilizing syringes this is ultimately the safest way. Wrap them in foil and PC them for 30 min @ 15psi.

This is likely the 2nd safest method of sterilizing syringes:
1. Bring a small pot of water to a rapid boil.
2. Allow to boil for at least 3 minutes (time it). Once the time is up turn the heat down.
3. Suck up enough water to fill the syringe, let sit for about 15-30 seconds, and then shoot the water out into the sink.
4. Repeat step #3 about 5 times.
5. Flame sterilize the needle and now you can use your syringe.

How much is 1cc?
1cc is equal to 1ml.

What are the benefits of using a humidifier?
The benefits of using a humidifier are that you will have to fan and spray your fruiting chamber much less.. or not at all. Oftentimes a humidifier setup will be completely automated or low maintenance.. i.e - once you reach a certain stage.. you may not have to do anything besides add water to the humidifier and pick mushrooms. It often eliminates the need for fanning or misting.

A cool mist humidifier provides almost ideal humidity levels for casings, and more importantly, constant gas exchange. Unless you have a very large terrarium, a cool mist is usually enough to provide adequate humidity levels.

If you are going the humidifier route is recommended that you invest in a quality hygrometer to monitor the humidity levels.

What can I do to ensure the water in my humidifier is clean and minimize contaminants?
Use distilled, bottled, filtered, or even (cooled) boiled water. Tap water is generally to be avoided. A small amount of iodine can also be safely added (1-2 drops per gallon). Make sure your humidifier air intake has a clean filter on it. If it did not come with one, tape a HEPA or micron filter over it. Practice general sterile procedure and keep yourself and your grow room clean.

What are the ideal humidity levels for cakes and casings?
For cakes: 95%-100% relative humidity
For casings: 92% dropped to as low as 82% during fruiting.

Do i need to do 12/12 hour light? is 24 hours ok?
12 hours or 24 hours both work fine.

My mushrooms have turned black while growing, have they gone bad?
If it rubs off the caps, its just spores and is a normal part of the process.

Should I flame sterilize the syringe needle right before inoculation, with every jar?
Yes you should flame sterilize the syringe needle right before you inoculate each substrate jar to eliminate risk of contamination that potentially resides on the needle even if the needle was sealed prior to use.
Credit to Sungirl69's Archived FAQ

How long can I safely store my pre-sterilized substrate jars?
Pre-sterilized substrate jars should be used as soon as possible. However they have the potential to last several months in the refrigerator. Make sure they are in a ziplock bag to help eliminate the risk of contamination, and place them in the refrigerator.
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How long can I safely store my spore syringes?
Spore syringes can be stored a very long time in the refrigerator. I have stored them as long as 6 months and they were still good. I would not recommend this, however, as it is better to order them as you need and use them as soon as possible. But yes, they will last in the refrigerator without any problem.
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What is the difference between jars and growbags, which one should I buy?
The main difference is that jars are reusable and growbags are not. Both are good to use for grain substrates. I have found that jars are a little easier to work with when making your own. If this is your first grow I would recommend you make or buy the pf style substrate jars for your first grow as they are easier and have a higher success potential for beginner cultivators.
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Do i have to incubate? What tempature should my colonizing jars be at?
No incubation is not necessary jar can and will incubate at room tempature. BUT tempatures around 82* are said to have faster growth, while temps below 75* might have slower growth.

Am I supposed to use a humidifier when incubating my jars?
No, absolutely not. You do not need or want any humidity in your incubator, this could invite contaminants as they thrive in warm wet places. It is important to have No added humidity in the incubator.
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How long will it take my jars to become fully colonized once inoculated with the spore solution?
Depending on the size of the jar, anywhere between 14-20 days is common. There are a few rare occasions where the jar may take longer, I have had a jar take as long as 62 days to become fully colonized. The main thing is to be patient and try not to disturb your colonizing jars too much.
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When do I harvest my fruits?
This is personal preference as much is in this hobby...but most prefer to do as the veil breaks/tears from the cap. You may do this as each individual fruit tears....or you may want to do this as the majority of the fruits have done this....often once the veil breaks and the caps start to "flaten out"....they will start to sporulate....causing a deep purple to black in appearance on the caps and the surface of the substrate....not to be alarmed as this will rinse off under running water and gently rubbing with your finger.

The preferance is largely do to space constrictions amongst the fruits....as to not disturbed a "unripe" fruit....some do so as to avoid the mess spores can cause....and if not washed away before the next flush....can inhibit latter pinsets....HOWEVER.....most people rinse/dunk between flushes and this often doesn't present a problem.


What do i have to do to make my second flush come?
Nothing, its going to come anyway if there is sufficient moisture in the sub. but you will have better results, if you dunk your substrate, and re-case.

Do i have to dunk for 24 hours? cant i dunk for less?
You could, but if your going to do it, why not do it right?

It's almost time to pick my fruits, how do i dry them?
You should lay them out under a fan on low on top of newspaper, or place them in a dehydrator that has a temerature setting. This should take about 3 to 5 days. Then store them in a sealed container with a desiccant such as damprid, or silica gel to suck the last remaining moisture out.

How much will my wet fruits dry to?
Usually slightly less the 10% of the wet weight. (200g wet will usually dry to around 18g dry)

What are some possible causes for aborts and how can I prevent them?
First flush usually has tons of aborts. just expect it. the second flush will have a few. and the third and forth flushes will have little to none.

How much do I really need to fan daily?
3 times a day at least. (once in the morning. second time after coming home from work/school third time before bed.)
fan with the lid of your fruiting chamber its also a good idea to mist if your going to have the lid off.

I think my cake or casing has contamination, Is there anything I can do to stop it?
This depends on the type of contamination and the severity of it. The most common types of contamination are cobweb mold and Trichoderma also called green mold. If it is cobweb mold characterized by a fuzzy gray cobweb looking growth then you can make a solution of h2o2 and water and mist the cobweb mold, if caught early enough you may be able to salvage your work. If it is green mold than unfortunately there is really nothing you can do, get rid of the infected cake or casing immediately before it spreads to your other projects. Trying to remove the green mold from the cake or casing is a futile attempt at trying to salvage your work. It is not healthy because it will keep coming back and spreading, and can potentially release mold spores into the air. For more information on contamination check out this link originally posted by Dr.Gonzo:
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Commonly asked Questions about Cakes

Is it necessary to dunk my cakes?
Yes, if you want a good flush. Mushrooms are about 90% watter and 10% solid matter, so you see how important water is in this equation.

Is it necessary to "cold shock" my cakes?
No, but some people do believe it helps initiate pinning when placed in the fruiting chamber due to the temperature difference.

Do I have to roll my cakes in vermiculite after dunking?
No, but it does help as a contaminate barrier.

I don't have the time to wait for mushrooms, is it OK to eat my cakes?
No, you will get nothing out of it except a stomach ache.

For my second dunk and roll, after my first flush, how long do I need to soak my cakes or do i just dip them in water and roll them in vermiculite (and is this even necessary)?
It is not "necessary" you could just mist your cakes, and they will continue right on into the second flush.
But for the best performance. dunking and rolling will re-hydrate your myc.

Why are my cakes turning blue after I dunked them?
The bluing you see is actually bruising caused by the dunking process. Mycelium contains psilocybin which turns blue when it oxidizes. Mycelium is very sensitive, and easily bruises anytime it experiences stress. The most common reasons for the bruising includes being handled roughly, too dry, or too cold. The main thing to remember is that bruising will not effect the growth process at all.
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There is purplish black stuff all over my cakes and fruiting chamber what is it, is it safe?
This is what is called sporulation. When a mushroom is allowed to mature fully the veil will break and shortly after the veil breaks the mushroom will attempt to reproduce by dropping spores everywhere. The purplish black stuff is spores. Don't worry it will not affect anything, mushrooms that have spores on them are still ok to consume. And to answer your next question, no the spores that drop in your fruiting chamber will not grow new mushrooms.
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Bulk Substrates

When do i shake my jars? do i have to?
Shaking isnt necessary but people that shake, shake at 25-30%.This will help speed up the colonization process. BUT others have been burned by jars that get shaken and never recover, and then stall. So shake at your own risk.

How long do i soak my WBS/RYE?
24 hours. any longer and too many of the grains will split during pressure cooking.


Some Fruiting FAQ's

I just placed my cake or casing in the fruiting chamber,how long until it pins?
Pin formation can take anywhere from 5-15 days given the proper fruiting conditions. I have seen pins form in as little as 3 days and sometimes take as long as 17 days it really is a variable and there is no exact answer as each grow is different.
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Re: Links Galore (For People Who Dont Like Search) [Re: dankakanat]
    #14381548 - 05/01/11 07:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"One post to rule them all, One post to find them, One post to bring them all and in the darkness bind them"  :grin:

Had to do it!  Some of these teks/info can be a little outdated, be careful, but thanks again for the link search.


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