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My 5L pressure cooker and my failure with WBS > success with WBS
#14359610 - 04/27/11 05:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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My last pressure cooker stopped working and I quickly had to buy some random pc for low price from an auction locally, because I didn't have enough resources to buy a descent one and more importanly - I couldn't wait.
So I got this. All I know about it: It's 5L and there is "Domotti" written on the box it came with.
I'm writing this, because I can't figure out what went wrong with my last 12 jars of wbs when I inoculated them. Only one of them got tiny bit of growth (which I noticed after 18 days from inoculation).
Few months ago I made a successful grow using the same method with wbs jars (it was my first time) and now when I did the same thing I basically failed with all the jars.
Two things which was different now: 1) I got different pressure cooker 2) When I prepared wbs, I soaked it for 48 hours instead of 12 hours
When I opened the jars today, I took a little sniff and there was clearly a sour smell coming out of them. It wasn't too intense though. Could it be bacteria?
When I sterilized the jars, I cooked 60-65 minutes each one. One thing that really sucks with the new pressure cooker is the fact that I literally had to pc the jars one by one, because I can only fit one quart sized jar at once in the cooker.. and now I will have to sterilize another 14 jars again. <--- Because of that I'm really hoping to succeed this time, cos otherwise I will waste lots of time.
My first jar is already cooking. I increased the cooking time to 75 minutes.
Do you have anything to say to me which could improve my situation in any way? I'm feeling quite insecure.
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: Vibration]
#14359621 - 04/27/11 05:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Most people PC their grain for 90 Minutes. In my opinion, I wouldn't continue until you get a better PC. It's too small to work with, you are wasting a lot of electricity ($), does it reach 15 PSI? (don't see pressure gauge).
Doesn't matter if you do everything else right. If you don't properly PC your grain, you will have a have high contamination ratio.
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: Vibration]
#14359654 - 04/27/11 05:51 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I only have a 6L pressure cooker myself, and I can get 4 pint jars in mine its not ideal but its better than 1 jar at a time and I always PC for 90 mins because mine only hits 11.5 PSI. I only soak for 12 hours and toss the WBS in the PC. Although I'm pretty new to this I have only had 1 jar get contams, using this method
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: Mycowlogist]
#14359664 - 04/27/11 05:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mycowlogist said: Doesn't matter if you do everything else right. If you don't properly PC your grain, you will have a have high contamination ratio.
Completely true. OTOH, if your syringe is bad, doesn't matter how sterile the grain is.
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: Doc_T]
#14359707 - 04/27/11 06:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ok, I believe mine doesn't reach 15psi either. I will have to raise the cooking time to 90 minutes then.
And now I'm really paranoid about my LC. To be honest, I thought when LC gets contaminated by bacteria, then water gets cloudy inside and mycelium doesn't grow, but mine grew really fast and water was super clear.
(early days)

And I see people always saying: You have to test your LC on BFR, because some "things" doesn't show off before inoculating.
For some reason I've always thought these things are mold, but not bacteria. And when testing LC, how can I be sure if it's bad or good? If mycelium starts growing, it's good. If mold starts growing, it's bad, but what if there isn't going to be any signs of any growth?
Which way does it work exactly, can anyone explain Please?
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: Vibration]
#14359713 - 04/27/11 06:26 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Little PCs work great, BTW. But follow the instructions and give the full time.
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And when testing LC, how can I be sure if it's bad or good?
Really, you can't. Biggest reason I stopped using the stuff for most applications. You can sometimes tell that it's bad- but there's no way to prove it's not bad.
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: Doc_T]
#14359721 - 04/27/11 06:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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So does it mean there is a reasonable possibility of my liquid culture being contaminated by bacterial form, and this could be the whole reason why my 12 jars of wbs have failed?
If I got that right, then thanks for the lesson.
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: Vibration]
#14359724 - 04/27/11 06:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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LC sucks. (Edit- but the one in the pic looks ok, shoot a test jar. )
Buy a pack of agar for $1.69, do the job right the first time.
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: Doc_T]
#14359803 - 04/27/11 07:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think I have few last things to ask on this subject.
At the moment I'm in a process of sterilizing wbs jars, and by tomorrow afternoon this process will be finished 
Okay, but I have some options to choose between and I'm quite schizophrenic decision maker.
Yesterday I inoculated my test jar:

Can I place my sterilized wbs jars in the closet and wait for the first signs of growth in my lc jar, or is it a bad idea to let the wbs jars sit like that.
If that's a bad idea, should I make Grain To Grain Transfer using this jar?

Keep in mind that it has been sitting like that for 3 months in my closet in room temperatures (not a problem?).
What would you do in my situation?
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: Doc_T]
#14359925 - 04/27/11 08:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: Little PCs work great, BTW. But follow the instructions and give the full time.
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And when testing LC, how can I be sure if it's bad or good?
Really, you can't. Biggest reason I stopped using the stuff for most applications. You can sometimes tell that it's bad- but there's no way to prove it's not bad.
If you make the LC from a visibly clean 100% colonized grain jar GLC then aren't you sure that the LC is also good as long as you followed sterile procedures? If the GLC is clean it couldn't contam the LC unless the contam got in through the filter or the noc process, right?
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14359963 - 04/27/11 08:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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LC is not Grain LC. Also, until you've taken it from syringe all the way to fruiting, you really can't say it's good.
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: Doc_T]
#14360005 - 04/27/11 08:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I was speaking of shooting a few cc of good GLC into a LC jar and letting it grow from the GLC.
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14360034 - 04/27/11 08:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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What about it? That doesn't prove the LC is clean. You could drop in an agar wedge. It still does not prove the LC is clean.
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14360263 - 04/27/11 09:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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3n1gm4 said: I was speaking of shooting a few cc of good GLC into a LC jar and letting it grow from the GLC.
In theory that would be a clean LC.
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: Mycowlogist]
#14360273 - 04/27/11 09:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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No, in theory and in actual fact, that would be an untested LC.
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: Doc_T]
#14360342 - 04/27/11 10:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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None of the options I've mentioned in my last post are acceptable? I'm fucked.
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: Vibration]
#14360486 - 04/27/11 10:39 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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What was the question?
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: Doc_T]
#14361014 - 04/27/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14365531 - 04/28/11 07:26 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thank you very much, enigma. Look, this is my 3 months old wild bird seed jar. Does it seem healthy? There are some weird spots, but it seems like a thick mycelium to me though.
I think I will need to tranfer some grain from that jar to another jar in a glovebox and with a spoon.. cos that particular jar is too full and mycelium is too thick in my opinion. Do you agree?
I will start with the process right away when I get 1 reply regarding this matter 





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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: Vibration]
#14365536 - 04/28/11 07:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Looks suspicious. Maybe ok, but looks a bit bacterial to me.
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: Doc_T]
#14365561 - 04/28/11 07:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I know how a healthy colonized wbs jar smells, but should I feel a difference if there is a bacterial infection?
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: Vibration]
#14365568 - 04/28/11 07:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not necessarily. Why take chances? Why half-ass things? Wouldn't it be nice to succeed at growing mushrooms?
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: Vibration]
#14365572 - 04/28/11 07:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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dont soak wbs just clean boil and lay out on news paper for 4 hours or so works for me everytime and my contamn rate is allmost non existent
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: Vibration]
#14365577 - 04/28/11 07:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Vibration said: I know how a healthy colonized wbs jar smells, but should I feel a difference if there is a bacterial infection?
smells like mushrooms
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: punkrocker292004]
#14365590 - 04/28/11 07:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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punkrocker292004 said: dont soak wbs
I'm sure it works for you- but the BEST advice with wbs is to soak, simmer, strain. It gives the best results.
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: Doc_T]
#14365608 - 04/28/11 07:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Doc_T said:
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punkrocker292004 said: dont soak wbs
I'm sure it works for you- but the BEST advice with wbs is to soak, simmer, strain. It gives the best results.
idk man i think its alot harder to get the moisture right if you soak it, cause most of the grains are millet which hydraates really easily
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: Doc_T]
#14365626 - 04/28/11 07:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It feels awful to half-ass to be honest. But I will have to take a chance at some option which would possibly take me a step forward. Time is the enemy to me at this point. I promised myself to move to AGAR after my second grow.
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: Vibration]
#14365632 - 04/28/11 07:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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You wouldnt even need to do a gtg you could do a myc strand growing to the lid to grain lol.
If you feel froggy jump! That is if you feel like PCing grain and doing a xfer then the only negative that could come from it is that it doesn't work. If it was a type of mush that I didn't have any more of I would definitely GTG it to two or three new grain jars to give myself better odds on it working and getting to keep the strain without ordering more spores.
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: punkrocker292004]
#14365655 - 04/28/11 07:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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punkrocker292004 said: idk man
Agreed, you don't know. It's not hard to prep grain correctly. Leaving out steps because you are too inattentive to do the job well isn't a tek. It's just lazy, and not in a helpful way.
Again, I'm sure your grain prep works. There's lots and lots of ways to prep grain. But you will get the BEST results with a three step soak, simmer strain.
I personally think RP's problem is the inoculant- but good grain helps you track that down.
Oh, and don't try to simmer by time, that's not ideal- simmer just until the grain is cooked al dente.
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Time is the enemy to me at this point. I promised myself to move to AGAR after my second grow. 
Start with LC, then move to agar. Because it feels so good to fail first.
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: Doc_T]
#14365680 - 04/28/11 07:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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punkrocker292004 said: idk man
Agreed, you don't know. It's not hard to prep grain correctly. Leaving out steps because you are too inattentive to do the job well isn't a tek. It's just lazy, and not in a helpful way.
Again, I'm sure your grain prep works. There's lots and lots of ways to prep grain. But you will get the BEST results with a three step soak, simmer strain.
I personally think RP's problem is the inoculant- but good grain helps you track that down.
Oh, and don't try to simmer by time, that's not ideal- simmer just until the grain is cooked al dente.
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Time is the enemy to me at this point. I promised myself to move to AGAR after my second grow. 
Start with LC, then move to agar. Because it feels so good to fail first. 
you have always been such an ignorant bastard doc way to take my post out of context asshole
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: Vibration]
#14365717 - 04/28/11 08:16 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's just his way of expressing love 
I'm going to shoot half of the jars by Grain LC tek and the other half with my LC. I can't abondon them, yet. I'm sure some of you would like to see if I failed again with my 14 jars of wbs cooking one by one 90 min or not, so I'm going update this thread soon
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: Vibration]
#14365739 - 04/28/11 08:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i wanna see you succeed i love sein grows
as far as showin the love id have to disagree but im not gonna flame his as on yer thread ill flame his ass on my own thread lol if yer really worried about failur just re do um its only two days and a few bux maybe you need a better lid i suggest a rtv/pollyfill/tyvek lid if you need scimatics let me know
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: Doc_T]
#14365902 - 04/28/11 09:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: Looks suspicious. Maybe ok, but looks a bit bacterial to me.
Doc: Where do you see "suspicious " in these jars? First time with WBS. myself and they look perfect to me.
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: Vibration]
#14367720 - 04/28/11 03:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Vibration said: Thank you very much, enigma. Look, this is my 3 months old wild bird seed jar. Does it seem healthy? There are some weird spots, but it seems like a thick mycelium to me though.
I think I will need to tranfer some grain from that jar to another jar in a glovebox and with a spoon.. cos that particular jar is too full and mycelium is too thick in my opinion. Do you agree?
I will start with the process right away when I get 1 reply regarding this matter 





lol i wish i would have looked at these they are starting to pin invitro that is all nothing to worry about no bacteria
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Re: My 5L pressure cooker and my failure of WBS [Re: punkrocker292004]
#14444000 - 05/13/11 06:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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punkrocker292004 said: maybe you need a better lid i suggest a rtv/pollyfill/tyvek lid if you need scimatics let me know
By the way, I have silicon self-healing injection holes.
.. and it worked really well doing Grain LC tek. All 12 jars got nice growth inside, 100% success rate.
Now I'm going to make 3 monotubs.
I guess my biggest mistake previous time (when all the jars failed to get growth) was: 1) I soaked for too long 2) I pressure cooked for only 60 minutes with my little pressure cooker which probably didn't reach 15 psi
So don't repeat my mistakes is the best thing I can say.
 
Few days more and they're good. Here was my update.
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