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BlimeyGrimey
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Radar to see into the future...
#14359602 - 04/27/11 05:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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"Even though ideas of extracting future-related, or Faster-Than-Light (FTL) information from hyperspace using quantum entanglement have generally been refuted in the last ten years, in this paper we show that the original 'Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser Experiment', 1st performed by Yoon-Ho Kim, R. Yu, S.P. Kulik, Y.H. Shih, designed by Marlan O. Scully & Druhl in 1982-1999, still features hidden topological properties that may have been overlooked by previous analysis, and which prohibit, by principle, the extraction of future-related or real-time information from the detection of the signal particle on the delayed choice of its entangled idler twin(s). We show that such properties can be removed, and quantum-level information from certain hypersurfaces of past, present or future spacetime may be collected real-time, without resulting in any paradox or violation of causality."
Source : http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1101/1101.2223.pdf
Is Lockheed Martin really going to accomplish this?
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Re: Radar to see into the future... [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
#14360497 - 04/27/11 10:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wow. The first peoples to master this technology win, bottom line. How can you refute future truth? You cannot, nor could it be circumvented here in real time. Imagine a battle scenario where the opposition knows what is going to happen before you do it. Depending upon the time frame, there is no weapon which could defeat this type of battle-forecasting. Intel-analysts eat your friggin' heart's out.
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Applying your own logic to that argument: since there is no way to influence the outcome, what sense does it make to know the future? The only reason why organizations collect intel is because they can influence matters to some extent.
Then again, this shit gives me brain bubbles, so I'm probably talking out of my ass in any case.
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Re: Radar to see into the future... [Re: koraks]
#14360777 - 04/27/11 12:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't pretend to know anything about the physics here, but whatever Sure is fun to think about it.
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BlimeyGrimey
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It seems after re-reading the article that this won't "see into the future" in the general sense. It won't show things that will happen in the future, but instead is a type of faster-than-light information exchange.
From the article:
"It should be emphasized, that the local observer (at D0) would not need to wait (i.e. 2 million years) for the idlers to reach a distant target (i.e. in Andromeda Galaxy). Information on the idler’s future fate could be immediately available by local signal (D0) detection."
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I didn't have time to read the whole paper, but are we talking about short-term future seeing or is the topic about looking into 100 years? Quantum scale topography, I assume, yes?
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Re: Radar to see into the future... [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
#14361424 - 04/27/11 02:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wow, this still has huge implications. This is perhaps a key component to intelligent machines. Maybe true A.I. will be born of this technology. Interesting, still.
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See!... this is exactly why they shutdown SETI. If aliens are talking to us they're using broadband and not fuckin carrier pigeons!
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Re: Radar to see into the future... [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
#14361773 - 04/27/11 03:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
5HTSynaptrip said: See!... this is exactly why they shutdown SETI. If aliens are talking to us they're using broadband and not fuckin carrier pigeons!
Agreed! SETI was a bust anyways.
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Re: Radar to see into the future... [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
#14365802 - 04/28/11 08:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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BlimeyGrimey said:
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5HTSynaptrip said: See!... this is exactly why they shutdown SETI. If aliens are talking to us they're using broadband and not fuckin carrier pigeons!
Agreed! SETI was a bust anyways.
Bah, I bet the Gov't is just being lazzy, again. There is more than likely an good alternative use for the array (and not cooking popcorn or some other lame application.)
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Re: Radar to see into the future... [Re: Simms]
#14367500 - 04/28/11 03:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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koraks said: Applying your own logic to that argument: since there is no way to influence the outcome, what sense does it make to know the future? The only reason why organizations collect intel is because they can influence matters to some extent.
Then again, this shit gives me brain bubbles, so I'm probably talking out of my ass in any case.
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Simms said: I didn't have time to read the whole paper, but are we talking about short-term future seeing or is the topic about looking into 100 years? Quantum scale topography, I assume, yes?
From what I understand it works this way:
If you scan a galaxy 1 million light years away, you can gain information about the future through entanglement without violating causality because it is impossible for you to affect the outcome of the future in any way. Simply because we can't possibly travel to that location in time to affect the outcome.
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Re: Radar to see into the future... [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
#14367773 - 04/28/11 03:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ok, so this is basically quantum computation at a basic level?
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Re: Radar to see into the future... [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
#14369911 - 04/28/11 10:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Anyone care to explain how this will work in layman's terms? Will it even work at all? I'm confused entirely on how something like this is even possible. Sounds amazing if it's true though.
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Re: Radar to see into the future... [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
#14371088 - 04/29/11 03:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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BlimeyGrimey said: If you scan a galaxy 1 million light years away, you can gain information about the future through entanglement without violating causality because it is impossible for you to affect the outcome of the future in any way. Simply because we can't possibly travel to that location in time to affect the outcome.
Good point, that would settle it. So we only need some sort of fancy quantum mirror on that remote location in order to look at our future selves
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Re: Radar to see into the future... [Re: koraks] 1
#14371129 - 04/29/11 04:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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> So we only need some sort of fancy quantum mirror on that remote location in order to look at our future selves 
We wouldn't be able to see our future selves because seeing ourselves would violate causality. We would only be able to see future events that our knowledge of would never be able to alter (such as something in the near future that is far away).
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Re: Radar to see into the future... [Re: Seuss]
#14371483 - 04/29/11 07:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I wonder if this means that the farther away we look the farther into the future we could gain knowledge about.
I hope this will allow us to see outside of our "observable universe" and see things that have long receded too far and fast away for the light to ever reach us.
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