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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: danielx]
#14355819 - 04/26/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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How could one accurately determine the cause of ones cancer?
Besides in obvious circumstances .. i.e. bikini atoll
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: twighead]
#14356099 - 04/26/11 04:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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bikini atoll was obvious. People there grew horrendous cancers because everything was irradiated.
Then shouldn't be obvious that 935 nuclear tests in Nevada polluted the world and caused cancer? What about the 496 done in Kazakhstan? How about the 214 done in mother russia?
But this is all safe, acceptable limits. Nothing to see here folks, just obesity.
Oh, and I bet the Japanese people really wanted a nuclear power plant on a fault line. Because the Japanese people are so pro nuclear power, right?
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14356116 - 04/26/11 04:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: she's a medical doctard, not a nuclear physicist, she's also an anti nuclear activist so it's certainly not like she doesnt have an agenda, where's the independent verification from these guys the 'knew' the GE reactors at fukushima were defective
Hee hee... "doctard."
But yeah, scaring the hell out of people using impenetrable jargon and unfalsifiable data is big business. Just ask Glenn Beck.
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twighead
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: danielx]
#14356188 - 04/26/11 04:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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danielx said: bikini atoll was obvious. People there grew horrendous cancers because everything was irradiated.
Then shouldn't be obvious that 935 nuclear tests in Nevada polluted the world and caused cancer? What about the 496 done in Kazakhstan? How about the 214 done in mother russia?
But this is all safe, acceptable limits. Nothing to see here folks, just obesity.
Oh, and I bet the Japanese people really wanted a nuclear power plant on a fault line. Because the Japanese people are so pro nuclear power, right?
bikini atoll was obvious. People there grew horrendous cancers because everything was irradiated.
I don't doubt that it can cause cancer but proximity is key... Look how fucking close they were to that bomb

Here's the total fallout exposure from nuclear testing (I can't vouch for the total legitimacy of this map..)

I think its a massive stretch to state that most cancers are caused from this. Some, sure, likely... but most probably not. It would be interesting to see the incidence rates of cancer per county from 1945-1980~ and see how well it lines up with that map though.
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#14356202 - 04/26/11 04:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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But God made me in his image, and he is perfect? How could we be made in God's image if our hardware fails more often than the first generation Xbox 360's?
Surely either God fails, or all cancer is caused by nooklear wessels.
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: sandi]
#14358680 - 04/26/11 11:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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sandi said: Many people in Europe own detectors for their groceries due to Chernobyl's fallout.
When I repeated this statement to my wife, she about died on the floor laughing . She was born and raised in Eastern Europe very close to Chernobyl. In fact she had to drink iodine on May day in 1986. She has never met anybody that had a Geiger counter to measure radiation in their groceries.
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sandi said: This is a terrible thing.
I do agree with this.
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#14359156 - 04/27/11 01:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote: When I repeated this statement to my wife, she about died on the floor laughing . She was born and raised in Eastern Europe very close to Chernobyl. In fact she had to drink iodine on May day in 1986. She has never met anybody that had a Geiger counter to measure radiation in their groceries.
living in e. europe, am laughing too. my neighbour was in the clean-up crew. my dad dodged the draft somehow.
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. [Re: danielx]
#14359234 - 04/27/11 01:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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danielx said: Have you even looked at the cancer rates in relation to nuclear technology?
This is one of those "correlation does not equal causation" things. 60 years ago, many people who died of 'old age' were not diagnosed with cancer either because doctors didn't exactly know what was going on, or because nobody bothered since they were old people anyway (a coroner would simply state something along the lines as 'old age' as cause of death). Sounds harsh, but that's the world our parents and grandparents grew up in. Today, medical diagnosis is much more advanced and applied across the population, meaning that we now know better what the cause of death in individuals is, even if they die at an advanced age.
Another contributing factor to any rise in cancer diagnosis is the fact that medical care has improved (apart from the diagnosis part), and people don't die from ailments that we now consider treatable. TBC for instance, which killed my aunt back in 1946, but wouldn't have been lethal today. Had she lived, she might have died from cancer a year ago, but she didn't, because the TB already got her decades ago. So many of us simply live on until something pops up that is really hard to treat and potentially lethal, such as cancer or coronary disease.
Nuclear fallout as a result of open-air nuclear tests in the pasts has definitely caused instances of cancer, I have no doubt about that. Allegedly, the number of (cancer) deaths caused by nuclear testing is around 11,000 in the US (cumulative; so all tests combined, and all deaths over the past 60 years). This is a significant number, but a far cry from the hundreds of thousands of the annual cancer deaths that can often be related to simply old age (prostate cancer), genetics (intestinal cancer, breast cancer), smoking (lung cancer, stomach cancer and tumors in mouth/throat), excessive exposure to the sun (skin cancer) and drinking (liver cancer, mouth/throat/stomach cancer).
So given the above, I'm really wary of statements like 'nuclear testing has caused the increase in incidence of cancer', especially if no credible source is cited that either provides quantitative evidence, or a likely causal analysis that explains why the <7% of the background radiation caused by nuclear testing causes an increase in cancer, while the remaining >93% doesn't.
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. [Re: blujay]
#14359255 - 04/27/11 01:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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blujay said: How could we be made in God's image if our hardware fails more often than the first generation Xbox 360's?
Nuclear hardware doesn't fail that often. We currently have about 500 nuclear reactors worldwide. We have used nuclear reactors since the 1940s. The number of accidents with consequences for the population in the period since that time can be counted on the fingers of one hand. We should demand the best possible safety, and I know from up-close and personal that nuclear safety in the West is about as good as it possibly gets, and it still improves every day, because the mechanisms that lead to improvement are inalienable parts of the nuclear safety culture. The only thing that worries me is the possibility that we (as a society) are going to take away funding from the nuclear industry on a massive scale. This will make the industry less attractive to suppliers and bright minds that may consider it an interesting career opportunity. If funding, talent and spare parts are going to be difficult to get a hold of, I really fear for nuclear safety. That would be the worst-case scenario in terms of reliability.
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: blujay]
#14359314 - 04/27/11 01:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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blujay said: But God made me in his image, and he is perfect?
god isnt perfect, god has also sinned
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all cancer is caused by nooklear wessels.
*weasels
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14359367 - 04/27/11 02:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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blujay said: But God made me in his image, and he is perfect?
god isnt perfect, god has also sinned
For one thing, he hit it off with Mary who was married at the time
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all cancer is caused by nooklear wessels.
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