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Why cakes first??
#14358698 - 04/26/11 11:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would recommend everyone buy a PC and some rye and start with a mono, it is the most low maintenance, cheapest, easiest way if you have a closet some vinegar some H2o2 to clean with and a can of oust you can get two flushes if you are a complete 
Why isn't the PC recommended before the very thing that would discourage you. Cakes are depressing, I think I will start using my 1/2 pint jars for cultures on ELME.
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Re: #1: 1/2 pint jars are hard to find#2: 64,72,86 quart tubs are cheap & easy to find?Why cakes first?? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14358705 - 04/26/11 11:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Cakes are fail-resistant. Newbs find more ways to fail at grains.
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Re: #1: 1/2 pint jars are hard to find#2: 64,72,86 quart tubs are cheap & easy to find?Why cakes first?? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14358711 - 04/26/11 11:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Haha what are you talking about?
Most stores have half pint jars. I get mine at Fred Meyers.
They are everywhere.
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Re: #1: 1/2 pint jars are hard to find#2: 64,72,86 quart tubs are cheap & easy to find?Why cakes first?? [Re: propensity]
#14358921 - 04/27/11 12:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I did grains fine and I am a noob, GLCs rock I even made grain work with poly filters, and it was my first time, second time ever trying at all. I would think you would preach 64-78 quart mono, vinegar spray bottle, peroxide spray bottle, can of oust, and an empty closet to noobs. I don't know it all I am on my 3rd batch of brf cakes my first two failed, and I am on my 3rd 4th and fifth monos and mono hybrids and all my bulks have been easy fast and 100% success. I have been having more luck colonizing a casserole dish that was mixed hydrated and then baked in the oven with no lid and then soaked down with GLC than I have been having with 1/2 pint cakes. Seems like I just cant do things simple. I like pasteurization and not seeing BRF cakes one after one fail. So this time I kicked it up a notch. Maybe I can't do simple things because of my OCD?
All you have to do is follow directions and it will work fine, store everything colonizing in the top of a closet somewhere with little to no airflow, don't look at them for at least 10 days, monitor the temp don't go over 78 degrees, and start with whatever you want just don't start until you have read about and understand all the teks would be better to tell a noob than to make him fail at the most simple tek and make him spend money for nothing but a learning experience.
If more people would recommend bulk first the kids would find it harder to grow in their parents basements and come on here and act like total fools and pretend they are older. Some of the people here have to be 14 or 15, they are like my 16 year old in the way they act, I used to be the same way, I can tell. Or they are just douche bags.
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Re: #1: 1/2 pint jars are hard to find#2: 64,72,86 quart tubs are cheap & easy to find?Why cakes first?? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14358944 - 04/27/11 12:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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No way I'd give advice like that to anybody, ever.
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Re: #1: 1/2 pint jars are hard to find#2: 64,72,86 quart tubs are cheap & easy to find?Why cakes first?? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14358962 - 04/27/11 12:13 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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yea i felt like rye was much easier to prepare and worked better. i only grew using the pf tek once, got very unimpressive results and never went back to it.
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Re: #1: 1/2 pint jars are hard to find#2: 64,72,86 quart tubs are cheap & easy to find?Why cakes first?? (moved) [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14358991 - 04/27/11 12:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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This thread was moved from The Pub.
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Quote:
propensity said: Haha what are you talking about?
Most stores have half pint jars. I get mine at Fred Meyers.
They are everywhere.
I had to order my jars online, neither of my local ace hardware's even had them. I bet I checked 20 stores for them before I figured out you can get them cheaper at amazon than ace, even with the shipping and handling. Ship to store so I can drive 20 minutes and waste gas, no ty.
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Re: Why cakes first? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14359095 - 04/27/11 12:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I am trying half strength coffee/water with a pinch of gypsum in my BRF jars this time and I used a LC made from a GLC to noc them moving the needle around in the middle as I added about 5 cc per jar. I made my mix with extra verm to compensate for the extra LC, they were pretty dry so after a few seconds of watching the liquid run along the bottom it had absorbed it all I think my moisture levels are fine. It is a race now, 10 BRF cakes(no pic yet) VS the casserole dish 
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Re: Why cakes first? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14359108 - 04/27/11 12:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have never heard of a Fred Meyers?
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Re: Why cakes first? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14359159 - 04/27/11 01:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Why cakes first? [Re: BlindBat]
#14359169 - 04/27/11 01:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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In the fall everywhere here probably has them I just started in the wrong season, so I got pints for the auto fail. Then I discovered bulk.
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Re: Why cakes first? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14359188 - 04/27/11 01:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Why would you look in hardware stores for canning jars?
They're for preserving food. Go to supermarkets brah
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Re: #1: 1/2 pint jars are hard to find#2: 64,72,86 quart tubs are cheap & easy to find?Why cakes first?? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14359209 - 04/27/11 01:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
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I did grains fine and I am a noob,
AND GRAIN IS SIMPLE!
weren't you the one who had long threads going that were full of problems?
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: 64,72,86 quart tubs are cheap & easy to find?Why cakes first?? [Re: awakendone]
#14359228 - 04/27/11 01:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I did grains fine and I am a noob,
AND GRAIN IS SIMPLE!
weren't you the one who had long threads going that were full of problems?
With cakes, as soon as I started rye I was all good, I am one and doneing some tubs just to try new bulk subs now.
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Re: : 64,72,86 quart tubs are cheap & easy to find?Why cakes first?? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14359230 - 04/27/11 01:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I owe all the credit to the kind people on this site though, even though people steer you the wrong direction at first.
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Why cakes first?? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14359251 - 04/27/11 01:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would rather crumble cakes onto coir than fruit them as cakes. I have 12 1/2 pint cakes going now but I can't wait till I get to throw them at the neighbors dogs. Bulk and rye are so much easier, if it looks a little dry you just add more GLC and shake again. I love grain, still trying to get the moisture on WBS down though, only 3 jars of WBS worked so far, others got too wet with GLC. Second row is WBS
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Re: : 64,72,86 quart tubs are cheap & easy to find?Why cakes first?? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14359257 - 04/27/11 01:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think grains are easier than the cakes. First time I grew I did cakes, 8 out of the 12 contamned and I followed the teks carefully. Just recently I tried my first attempt at bulk with wbs(only did 2 quarts both colonized without contam) and succeeded beyond my imagination. Maybe I got lucky I plan on stickin with grains for a while
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Re: : 64,72,86 quart tubs are cheap & easy to find?Why cakes first?? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14359271 - 04/27/11 01:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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im at the point where i have my first tub on the 3rd flush, and 2 more almost ready for fruiting. when these last cakes i have finish fruiting i wont be making anymore. but im still very glad that i first started with them.
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Re: : 64,72,86 quart tubs are cheap & easy to find?Why cakes first?? [Re: awakendone]
#14359465 - 04/27/11 03:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I wish someone would have told me D5050's elementary coir and mono when I first started posting. I read a good six months before I joined and posted on here and was almost decided on a mono until someone talked me out of it. I would have 24 less jars right now if people weren't BRF PF noob cake crazy around here.
How can it be easier when I follow the tek, make a terrible mess with perlite, have to drill 1000 extra holes, and the cakes just sit there for a month and do nothing, ooooohhh I get it it is easier because you don't have to do all that harvesting that you do with a mono/coir/rye. With cakes you only have to pick a few at a time, or maybe just a few all together out of whats left of the 12 cakes you started.
MS coir/verm mono about 2 oz dry first flush and I pick them small
Cakes so far like 6.5 grams
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Re: : 64,72,86 quart tubs are cheap & easy to find?Why cakes first?? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14359874 - 04/27/11 07:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Because a PC for those who don't have it costs at least $30 which is the price of jars, brf, verm, perlite and the fc + a mister if necessary. same price for ms. also, pc is another hassle for people who need to learn how to use one.
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Re: : 64,72,86 quart tubs are cheap & easy to find?Why cakes first?? [Re: OneU]
#14360199 - 04/27/11 09:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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The reason that bulk spawning is not recommended for newbs is that most will fail at proper pasteurization. Luckily for them, there are a lot of coir bricks to be found that will work just fine if hydrated straight of the bag with room temp water, which is why so many teks don't include pasteurization as a step - they just have you pour boiling water in to hydrate the coir and call it good. It works most of the time, but not always, and you probably won't have that same luck if you move to dung or other more nutritious bulk substrates, or start supplementing your coir to boost your yields.
There are some coirs out there that will contaminate if not properly pasteurized, so if you suddenly start to get contamination during your spawn runs, this is probably why.
Many new growers, (myself included at one point) start out developing bad habits by skipping steps, even as directed by a tek. You can succeed for a while, but then your luck will change and you will start to lose grows. It's just easier for me to learn to do it right so it will work every time, and not have to throw out grows and decontaminate areas because of random mold outbreaks.
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Re: : 64,72,86 quart tubs are cheap & easy to find?Why cakes first?? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14360268 - 04/27/11 09:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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If one fails at pf cakes, he should be ashamed to admit it in public. It's the easiest, fastest, and highest chance of success method yet devised. Bulk growing is best saved for later when one learns the life cycle of mycelium. This is why we recommend new growers stick to succeeding or failing in 1/2 pint increments rather than 20 or 30 quart bulk substrate sized projects.
As for moving to grains and bulk substrates while still failing at cakes, it's sort of like buying a toddler a bicycle because he keeps falling on his ass when riding his trike. RR
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Re: : 64,72,86 quart tubs are cheap & easy to find?Why cakes first?? [Re: Sillicybin]
#14360482 - 04/27/11 10:39 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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My grain, GLCs, and bulk tubs have been soo much better easier than my cakes, I am still trying them it's just that I have lost 2 pint rye jars that were noced with a ms syringe that I had't tried yet and I have lost so many cakes that I have lost count. This last batch only two made it to full colonization, I noced the other 10 HPs last night, we shall see. The best fruit that I have gotten from a brf cake was an invitro pin
I have pasteurized my subs and additives from day one. On my first MMH I used Damion5050's ingredients but I simmered it and the verm for 90 minutes, didn't have a meat thermometer at the time but I kept it on low and the middle was barely steaming at 90 minutes. I didn't wait for the second flush on that one because I had some poo that I wanted to try.
I have one tub with 4 quarts rye, 10 pounds of supposedly pre pasteurized zoo poo for cubes sub that was supposed to be field capacity but it was still a little wet for me so after I pasteurized it so I added baked verm until it was barely field cap like I like it. I use a still air room and oust ten minutes before I spawn and I wipe the whole shebang with 70% rubbing alcohol before spawning, including myself, nothing like alcohol covering your face. I would have re-pasteurized the headypoo.com poo but a TC on here told me that I shouldn't because it would kill the beneficial micro-organisms if it had already been pasteurized, if I had known that I would have just gotten the manure and not the filterbag sub premade. That is just because I am a meticulous perfectionist with OCD, I was worried they didnt pasteurize it right so I was going to do it again. This is the zoo poo tub after 10 days, sorry bad pic, flashlight next time.
Then the next day I did a coir/verm tub, here it is yesterday, 9 days.
I had some dehydrated Hpoo from mycosupply so I pasteurized it mixed with half a brick if coir Monday, don't know if I killed the good stuff or not because of the length of time it took the middle to hit 140F, I didn't use the PC I used the crock pot because I had tested it and it stayed at 150F. I kept turning it between low and warm until the water reached 160F and tried to keep it at 160, stayed within +-2F. I then took off the weights and the lid every 10-15 minutes at first and then checked it every 30 minutes because the middle was rising so slow. When I checked it and it was 140 I started the timer and kept it above 140F for about 75 minutes, the sub was 150F in the middle when I turned it off.
I did know that long term heat can kill the good and bad stuff and the crock pot is thick ceramic and holds its heat for hours so I had a new bucket that had been washed and wiped with alcohol ready and I carried the bags into the still air room and dumped it into the bucked where I let it cool with the lid on loose. Later when it was cool I ousted took a shower and put on clean clothes. I had run out of gloves so I used food storage bags on my hands and mixed the 4 quarts of rye with it. I will get new pics of all three later I don't have a pic of that tub yet. Next time I will test my stoves temp, I may have messed up by heating it for so long but ProfessorPinhead swears by the slow cookers so I figured I would try it.
I may be a noob this may be my second grow but I think that I did okay and I will do better next time, I could give a flying fuck on how easy it is, as long as I get a few ounces off of the first flush I am golden like the All I know is those two giant bags of dried mushrooms looked a whole lot prettier in my wood box than my cakes ever did in my holey box full of rocks.
I myself would say if the person knows how to use and owns a good size PC then I would recommend that they go ahead and start bulk and save the wasted money and verm from trying cakes. I may change my mind after this SGFC round, never know with multispore.
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