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Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs)
#14358655 - 04/26/11 11:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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This is the senate version of the other bill, HR. 1254. The other bill doesn't mention 2C-Xs.
KEEP TRACK ON OF THE BILL HERE: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s112-839
House Bill - http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14342973/page/1/fpart/1
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SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
(a) Short Title- This Act may be cited as the ‘Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011’.
SEC. 2. CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES ACT.
Schedule I of section 202(c) of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 812(c)) is amended in subsection (c) by adding at the end the following:
‘(18) 2-(2,5-Dimethoxy-4-ethylphenyl)ethanamine (2C-E).
‘(19) 2-(2,5-Dimethoxy-4-methylphenyl)ethanamine (2C-D).
‘(20) 2-(4-Chloro-2,5-dimethoxyphenyl)ethanamine (2C-C).
‘(21) 2-(4-Iodo-2,5-dimethoxyphenyl)ethanamine (2C-I).
‘(22) 2-[4-(Ethylthio)-2,5-dimethoxyphenyl]ethanamine (2C-T-2).
‘(23) 2-[4-(Isopropylthio)-2,5-dimethoxyphenyl]ethanamine (2C-T-4).
‘(24) 2-(2,5-Dimethoxyphenyl)ethanamine (2C-H).
‘(25) 2-(2,5-Dimethoxy-4-nitro-phenyl)ethanamine (2C-N).
‘(26) 2-(2,5-Dimethoxy-4-(n)-propylphenyl)ethanamine (2C-P).’.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: 5-HT2A]
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That's fucking retarded, I have nothing more to add.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: Dr. Myco] 3
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as it stands now..all of this draconian legislation (S-839..S-605..and HR-1254) will have all passed both houses of congress by the end of next week..possibly as early as tuesday 5/3.. and signed into law by o'bumble.. without so much as a peep of opposition...
congress is on recess for district work until next monday 5/2...this provides an opportunity to confront your local representative IN PERSON on this issue (although you might as well forget it if you live in a repugnican district)...
possible talking points include ..
a) the bill is being rushed through with no debate and as little scientific evidence to justify it...
b) as tragic as the 2c-e death in MN was.. it still does not constitute an imminent threat to public safety...many mundane commodities have caused far more injuries and deaths than the substances in question...
c) after the bill has been passed.. users will either continue to use the drugs illegally or else will go back to more conventional illicit drugs...in either case..no injuries nor deaths will be avoided.. and the taxpayers will have to bear the cost of increased drug prosecutions and incarcerations...
d) the bill is likely being pushed by prison industry lobbyists.. who fear that legal drug alternatives are undermining their revenues from illegal drugs prosecutions...be sure to ask your local rep about pressure from the prison lobby...
e) last but most.. criminalizing other drugs has not kept them away from "the children"(r).. this is no different...
to put it more briefly.. the bill chisels away at our freedoms.. at a substantial cost to taxpayers.. at the behest of conservatives idealogues and prison industry shills...
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: Annapurna1]
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ummm.......SHIT!
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: Annapurna1]
#14359446 - 04/27/11 03:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Annapurna1 said: as it stands now..all of this draconian legislation (S-839..S-605..and HR-1254) will have all passed both houses of congress by the end of next week..possibly as early as tuesday 5/3.. and signed into law by o'bumble.. without so much as a peep of opposition...
congress is on recess for district work until next monday 5/2...this provides an opportunity to confront your local representative IN PERSON on this issue (although you might as well forget it if you live in a repugnican district)...
possible talking points include ..
a) the bill is being rushed through with no debate and as little scientific evidence to justify it...
b) as tragic as the 2c-e death in MN was.. it still does not constitute an imminent threat to public safety...many mundane commodities have caused far more injuries and deaths than the substances in question...
c) after the bill has been passed.. users will either continue to use the drugs illegally or else will go back to more conventional illicit drugs...in either case..no injuries nor deaths will be avoided.. and the taxpayers will have to bear the cost of increased drug prosecutions and incarcerations...
d) the bill is likely being pushed by prison industry lobbyists.. who fear that legal drug alternatives are undermining their revenues from illegal drugs prosecutions...be sure to ask your local rep about pressure from the prison lobby...
e) last but most.. criminalizing other drugs has not kept them away from "the children"(r).. this is no different...
to put it more briefly.. the bill chisels away at our freedoms.. at a substantial cost to taxpayers.. at the behest of conservatives idealogues and prison industry shills...
A muther fuckin plus response!
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: MagicMaker]
#14359710 - 04/27/11 06:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Fuuuuccckkkk
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: Dr. Myco]
#14359802 - 04/27/11 07:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Dr. Myco said: That's fucking retarded, I have nothing more to add.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: Annapurna1] 1
#14359847 - 04/27/11 07:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's what America gets for privatizing every aspect of public life. Make the prison industry private (the fact that it's an "industry" is a perversion in itself) and you end up with a prison lobby aiming to put as many citizen behind bars as possible. That is the most perverted and rotten thing I've ever seen in any society. Equally as appalling as stoning people.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: German Kahuna]
#14359868 - 04/27/11 07:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wow, I should have ordered that 2C-E while I had the chance.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: German Kahuna]
#14359910 - 04/27/11 07:55 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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German Kahuna said: That's what America gets for privatizing every aspect of public life. Make the prison industry private (the fact that it's an "industry" is a perversion in itself) and you end up with a prison lobby aiming to put as many citizen behind bars as possible. That is the most perverted and rotten thing I've ever seen in any society. Equally as appalling as stoning people.
Not only is it an industry, but it's the most profitable domestic and fastest growing industry in America.
5% of the worlds population, 25% of the worlds prison population.
Land of the free indeed.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: amilibertine]
#14359923 - 04/27/11 08:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, I haven't seen a 2C-X around in about a year, and it looks like that hiatus will be extended. Perhaps indefinitely, or until some underground chemist starts making it, and then the quality will be . It will prolly end up looking like that shitty brown sassafrass low quality dealers deal in. Or they will tell you it is 2C-I and WHOOPS, they made 2C-E.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: Toe_Jam]
#14360585 - 04/27/11 11:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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There goes the 2cs. Dammit. Now only outlaws will have 2cs
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: Toe_Jam]
#14360614 - 04/27/11 11:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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E-in Liondragon said: Well, I haven't seen a 2C-X around in about a year, and it looks like that hiatus will be extended. Perhaps indefinitely, or until some underground chemist starts making it, and then the quality will be . It will prolly end up looking like that shitty brown sassafrass low quality dealers deal in. Or they will tell you it is 2C-I and WHOOPS, they made 2C-E.
Sorry you know such shitty chemists, don't generalize that all clandestine chemists suck though.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: 5-HT2A]
#14360746 - 04/27/11 11:51 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Great... now China can start producing new, potentially dangerous chemicals to research on us with.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: ShroomyJohn]
#14360806 - 04/27/11 12:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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ShroomyJohn said:
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E-in Liondragon said: Well, I haven't seen a 2C-X around in about a year, and it looks like that hiatus will be extended. Perhaps indefinitely, or until some underground chemist starts making it, and then the quality will be . It will prolly end up looking like that shitty brown sassafrass low quality dealers deal in. Or they will tell you it is 2C-I and WHOOPS, they made 2C-E.
Sorry you know such shitty chemists, don't generalize that all clandestine chemists suck though.
No need to be sorry, I don't buy that half-made crap. I'm sure there are underground chemists with intergrity, but it's like most other trades, most do it out of greed, not out of any passion. They may have some interest in the subject but if it came down to throwing out shit that was poorly made, or selling it, they'd sell it for the most part.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: Adamist]
#14360991 - 04/27/11 01:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Adamist said: Great... now China can start producing new, potentially dangerous chemicals to research on us with. 
exactly....slightly looking forward to it in a way
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: twigsin]
#14361030 - 04/27/11 01:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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twigsin said:
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Adamist said: Great... now China can start producing new, potentially dangerous chemicals to research on us with. 
exactly....slightly looking forward to it in a way 
Seriously, I can't wait until JWH 4509.6 and 2C-T-E-I-SE-5 come out.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: Remix]
#14361198 - 04/27/11 01:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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What a shame. Ethanol is more dangerous.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: pandapanik]
#14361600 - 04/27/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wait, wait, wait.... what is 2c-H???
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: Rabid Jelly Bean]
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: Remix]
#14362068 - 04/27/11 04:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wow...they are not just going after one chem but a bunch. I don't think these drugs are candy, but criminalization is not the answer, especially for the chems that may have low toxicity. This scheduling going to effect a lot of people.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: Remix]
#14362099 - 04/27/11 04:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Remix said: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-H
http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal032.shtml
So they're banning something that nobody has tried and probably won't work? Kind of pointless but I guess they're tired of all the new chemicals popping up.
I guess instead of 2c-e, my next drug purchase is going to be something from Peru.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: Rabid Jelly Bean]
#14362135 - 04/27/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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So once the bill is approve by both the House and the Senate, do the compounds immediately go onto the list of scheduled substances, or is there a date set a couple of months down the line when that happens?
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: Rabid Jelly Bean]
#14362148 - 04/27/11 04:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Rabid Jelly Bean said:
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Remix said: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-H
http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal032.shtml
So they're banning something that nobody has tried and probably won't work? Kind of pointless but I guess they're tired of all the new chemicals popping up.
I guess instead of 2c-e, my next drug purchase is going to be something from Peru. 
What you getting from Peru. Cuz I just ordered coca leaves from Peru.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: Rabid Jelly Bean] 1
#14362154 - 04/27/11 04:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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They probably just got a copy of PIHKAL and have been gradually going down the list.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: Remix]
#14363973 - 04/27/11 10:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Remix said: They probably just got a copy of PIHKAL and have been gradually going down the list.
There's a ton of Shulgin compounds that weren't put in the bills.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: 5-HT2A]
#14364125 - 04/27/11 10:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I wasn't being very serious.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: Remix]
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wait so how long do we have to order ahh..
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: Adamist]
#14365467 - 04/28/11 07:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Adamist said: Great... now China can start producing new, potentially dangerous chemicals to research on us with. 
China IS producing them.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: TTT]
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Banning any drug is a good way to make it more common on the street.
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#14366325 - 04/28/11 11:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: 5-HT2A]
#14367189 - 04/28/11 02:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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You could argue that without this recent "bath salt" / "spice" BS, this bill targeting psychedelic RCs would not exist (even with the recent death supposedly from 2C-E).
*This* basically sums up my feelings on the subject-
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While there have been reports of psychosis and other severe side effects in bath salt users, these stories are rare and usually involve a combination of irresponsible dosing and underlying mental illness.
Undoubtedly there is a newsworthy story here, but is it the one we're being told? While these mind-altering drugs can cause grave harm and even death, most of the tragedies surrounding bath salts are the result of factors other than the drug itself--all of which are totally avoidable.
Epic Fail #1--High-profile distribution. Bath salts are sold in public venues like gas stations and convenience stores across the country, where every 15-year-old and his kid brother can buy a pack for himself and his "homies". Common sense suggests that selling drugs to children--legal or otherwise--is a bad idea. Kids are prohibited from buying alcohol or tobacco products, so why are business owners stocking their shelves with amphetamine-like drugs and selling them to minors?
Epic Fail #2--Irresponsible labeling. Bath salt drugs are marketed in a most reckless manner by profit-driven manufacturers who forgo ingredients lists in lieu of cutesy names like "Vanilla Sky," "Ivory Wave," and "Trippin' Balls". Despite a total lack of regulation, all dietary supplements are required to display a list of ingredients on the label according to FDA guidelines. Even ephedra--the over-the-counter supplement that killed baseball player Steve Bechler in 2004--was held to this standard. How can bath salt users determine a safe dose or avoid dangerous interactions when they don't even know what they're taking? The result is an unnecessary game of Russian roulette that puts lives at risk with every snort, sniff and swallow.
Epic Fail #3--Lack of public knowledge about safer methods of drug use. The "Just Say No" approach is the intellectual equivalent of abstinence-only sex ed, which is a piss-poor model in terms of effectiveness. Many times, the things left unsaid by drug educators do the most harm by creating a vacuum of knowledge to be filled with speculation, myths and misconceptions. The idea that a drug is safe because it's legal is one example, but there are many others. And it's not just teenage zombies who are spreading disinformation--the media is leading the pack with inaccurate and patently untrue statements about the risks of bath salts. Early coverage was marred by confusion as reporters misidentified the drugs as actual bath and body products, which speaks volumes about the degree of ignorance surrounding the issue.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: Adamist]
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Adamist said: You could argue that without this recent "bath salt" / "spice" BS, this bill targeting psychedelic RCs would not exist (even with the recent death supposedly from 2C-E).
*This* basically sums up my feelings on the subject-
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While there have been reports of psychosis and other severe side effects in bath salt users, these stories are rare and usually involve a combination of irresponsible dosing and underlying mental illness.
Undoubtedly there is a newsworthy story here, but is it the one we're being told? While these mind-altering drugs can cause grave harm and even death, most of the tragedies surrounding bath salts are the result of factors other than the drug itself--all of which are totally avoidable.
Epic Fail #1--High-profile distribution. Bath salts are sold in public venues like gas stations and convenience stores across the country, where every 15-year-old and his kid brother can buy a pack for himself and his "homies". Common sense suggests that selling drugs to children--legal or otherwise--is a bad idea. Kids are prohibited from buying alcohol or tobacco products, so why are business owners stocking their shelves with amphetamine-like drugs and selling them to minors?
Epic Fail #2--Irresponsible labeling. Bath salt drugs are marketed in a most reckless manner by profit-driven manufacturers who forgo ingredients lists in lieu of cutesy names like "Vanilla Sky," "Ivory Wave," and "Trippin' Balls". Despite a total lack of regulation, all dietary supplements are required to display a list of ingredients on the label according to FDA guidelines. Even ephedra--the over-the-counter supplement that killed baseball player Steve Bechler in 2004--was held to this standard. How can bath salt users determine a safe dose or avoid dangerous interactions when they don't even know what they're taking? The result is an unnecessary game of Russian roulette that puts lives at risk with every snort, sniff and swallow.
Epic Fail #3--Lack of public knowledge about safer methods of drug use. The "Just Say No" approach is the intellectual equivalent of abstinence-only sex ed, which is a piss-poor model in terms of effectiveness. Many times, the things left unsaid by drug educators do the most harm by creating a vacuum of knowledge to be filled with speculation, myths and misconceptions. The idea that a drug is safe because it's legal is one example, but there are many others. And it's not just teenage zombies who are spreading disinformation--the media is leading the pack with inaccurate and patently untrue statements about the risks of bath salts. Early coverage was marred by confusion as reporters misidentified the drugs as actual bath and body products, which speaks volumes about the degree of ignorance surrounding the issue.
I fully fucking agree. That's why I think anyone who pulls shit like that is a fucking retard. Seriously. I don't get why they all didn't get jailed for selling analogs. MDPV is an OBVIOUS analog for example. WTF?
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: bbl337]
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the reason they dont have an ingredients list or get in trouble for being analogues is because they were sold as something to "not be consumed"
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: speedy_r6]
#14415900 - 05/07/11 03:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: guest1]
#14416037 - 05/07/11 04:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'd be surprised if this really affects anything. RC vendors will still be shipping to the US. As long as I can still get my 2C-X, which it looks like I will. I don't give a fuck then.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: d00d557]
#14467313 - 05/17/11 10:45 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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2C-H is used to make 2C-X's, hence the illegalization of it. MDPV is an analouge of Pyrovalerone, which is Schedule 5 in the US, so technically MDPV is completely legal. The analogue act only covers drugs in the 1st and 2nd category.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: Remix]
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Adamist said: Great... now China can start producing new, potentially dangerous chemicals to research on us with. 
exactly....slightly looking forward to it in a way 
Seriously, I can't wait until JWH 4509.6 and 2C-T-E-I-SE-5 come out.
2C-T-E-I-SE-5 this sounds fucking crazzy
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: Love2trip]
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Adamist said: Great... now China can start producing new, potentially dangerous chemicals to research on us with. 
exactly....slightly looking forward to it in a way 
Seriously, I can't wait until JWH 4509.6 and 2C-T-E-I-SE-5 come out.
2C-T-E-I-SE-5 this sounds fucking crazzy
Lol, that's gotta be a joke.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: d00d557]
#14544593 - 06/01/11 06:58 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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d00d557 said: I'd be surprised if this really affects anything. RC vendors will still be shipping to the US. As long as I can still get my 2C-X, which it looks like I will. I don't give a fuck then.
ummmm....there are going to be just about 0 vendors sending to the states when this gets passed. They have been shipping because it has been legal; this will make them illegal.
Its going tp be over for these chems soon. Others will be available, but if you want to try a 2C-X from the "magic half dozen" or whatever schulgin called them, you better buy/stock up on them NOW. 
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
#14544615 - 06/01/11 07:10 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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unless they outlaw the precursors (which they wont) because they are so versatile people will be able to make it themselves if they wish. compared to the difficult making of acid, this is a walk in the park. no big deal. its good IMO. the accessibility and exposure today is way to high and a LOT of kids are starting to get their hands on it. which will lead to a lot of bad publicity again.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: lasdR]
#14549023 - 06/02/11 01:20 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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The above comment is of course ridiculous. Stating that things need to be banned "for the kids" is the most asinine pro drug war argument there is. If you stand for nothing it is easy to fall for anything. I stand for our rights to use recreational drugs.
So does this group - https://www.facebook.com/pages/Union-of-Recreational-Drug-Users-of-America-caffeinenicotinealcohol-too/221785961167336
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: dondoodle]
#14549073 - 06/02/11 01:41 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't think lasdR was saying that the drugs should be banned because "we need to protect the children". He was saying that when kids start getting their hands on RCs and other underground drugs they tend to get banned because of increased media exposure.
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