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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: Remix]
#14362068 - 04/27/11 04:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wow...they are not just going after one chem but a bunch. I don't think these drugs are candy, but criminalization is not the answer, especially for the chems that may have low toxicity. This scheduling going to effect a lot of people.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: Remix]
#14362099 - 04/27/11 04:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Remix said: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-H
http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal032.shtml
So they're banning something that nobody has tried and probably won't work? Kind of pointless but I guess they're tired of all the new chemicals popping up.
I guess instead of 2c-e, my next drug purchase is going to be something from Peru.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: Rabid Jelly Bean]
#14362135 - 04/27/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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So once the bill is approve by both the House and the Senate, do the compounds immediately go onto the list of scheduled substances, or is there a date set a couple of months down the line when that happens?
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: Rabid Jelly Bean]
#14362148 - 04/27/11 04:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Remix said: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-H
http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal032.shtml
So they're banning something that nobody has tried and probably won't work? Kind of pointless but I guess they're tired of all the new chemicals popping up.
I guess instead of 2c-e, my next drug purchase is going to be something from Peru. 
What you getting from Peru. Cuz I just ordered coca leaves from Peru.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: Rabid Jelly Bean] 1
#14362154 - 04/27/11 04:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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They probably just got a copy of PIHKAL and have been gradually going down the list.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: Remix]
#14363973 - 04/27/11 10:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Remix said: They probably just got a copy of PIHKAL and have been gradually going down the list.
There's a ton of Shulgin compounds that weren't put in the bills.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: 5-HT2A]
#14364125 - 04/27/11 10:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I wasn't being very serious.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: Remix]
#14365361 - 04/28/11 06:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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wait so how long do we have to order ahh..
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: Adamist]
#14365467 - 04/28/11 07:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Adamist said: Great... now China can start producing new, potentially dangerous chemicals to research on us with. 
China IS producing them.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: TTT]
#14365860 - 04/28/11 09:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Banning any drug is a good way to make it more common on the street.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: cyanophilus]
#14366325 - 04/28/11 11:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: 5-HT2A]
#14367189 - 04/28/11 02:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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You could argue that without this recent "bath salt" / "spice" BS, this bill targeting psychedelic RCs would not exist (even with the recent death supposedly from 2C-E).
*This* basically sums up my feelings on the subject-
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While there have been reports of psychosis and other severe side effects in bath salt users, these stories are rare and usually involve a combination of irresponsible dosing and underlying mental illness.
Undoubtedly there is a newsworthy story here, but is it the one we're being told? While these mind-altering drugs can cause grave harm and even death, most of the tragedies surrounding bath salts are the result of factors other than the drug itself--all of which are totally avoidable.
Epic Fail #1--High-profile distribution. Bath salts are sold in public venues like gas stations and convenience stores across the country, where every 15-year-old and his kid brother can buy a pack for himself and his "homies". Common sense suggests that selling drugs to children--legal or otherwise--is a bad idea. Kids are prohibited from buying alcohol or tobacco products, so why are business owners stocking their shelves with amphetamine-like drugs and selling them to minors?
Epic Fail #2--Irresponsible labeling. Bath salt drugs are marketed in a most reckless manner by profit-driven manufacturers who forgo ingredients lists in lieu of cutesy names like "Vanilla Sky," "Ivory Wave," and "Trippin' Balls". Despite a total lack of regulation, all dietary supplements are required to display a list of ingredients on the label according to FDA guidelines. Even ephedra--the over-the-counter supplement that killed baseball player Steve Bechler in 2004--was held to this standard. How can bath salt users determine a safe dose or avoid dangerous interactions when they don't even know what they're taking? The result is an unnecessary game of Russian roulette that puts lives at risk with every snort, sniff and swallow.
Epic Fail #3--Lack of public knowledge about safer methods of drug use. The "Just Say No" approach is the intellectual equivalent of abstinence-only sex ed, which is a piss-poor model in terms of effectiveness. Many times, the things left unsaid by drug educators do the most harm by creating a vacuum of knowledge to be filled with speculation, myths and misconceptions. The idea that a drug is safe because it's legal is one example, but there are many others. And it's not just teenage zombies who are spreading disinformation--the media is leading the pack with inaccurate and patently untrue statements about the risks of bath salts. Early coverage was marred by confusion as reporters misidentified the drugs as actual bath and body products, which speaks volumes about the degree of ignorance surrounding the issue.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: Adamist]
#14369768 - 04/28/11 09:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Adamist said: You could argue that without this recent "bath salt" / "spice" BS, this bill targeting psychedelic RCs would not exist (even with the recent death supposedly from 2C-E).
*This* basically sums up my feelings on the subject-
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While there have been reports of psychosis and other severe side effects in bath salt users, these stories are rare and usually involve a combination of irresponsible dosing and underlying mental illness.
Undoubtedly there is a newsworthy story here, but is it the one we're being told? While these mind-altering drugs can cause grave harm and even death, most of the tragedies surrounding bath salts are the result of factors other than the drug itself--all of which are totally avoidable.
Epic Fail #1--High-profile distribution. Bath salts are sold in public venues like gas stations and convenience stores across the country, where every 15-year-old and his kid brother can buy a pack for himself and his "homies". Common sense suggests that selling drugs to children--legal or otherwise--is a bad idea. Kids are prohibited from buying alcohol or tobacco products, so why are business owners stocking their shelves with amphetamine-like drugs and selling them to minors?
Epic Fail #2--Irresponsible labeling. Bath salt drugs are marketed in a most reckless manner by profit-driven manufacturers who forgo ingredients lists in lieu of cutesy names like "Vanilla Sky," "Ivory Wave," and "Trippin' Balls". Despite a total lack of regulation, all dietary supplements are required to display a list of ingredients on the label according to FDA guidelines. Even ephedra--the over-the-counter supplement that killed baseball player Steve Bechler in 2004--was held to this standard. How can bath salt users determine a safe dose or avoid dangerous interactions when they don't even know what they're taking? The result is an unnecessary game of Russian roulette that puts lives at risk with every snort, sniff and swallow.
Epic Fail #3--Lack of public knowledge about safer methods of drug use. The "Just Say No" approach is the intellectual equivalent of abstinence-only sex ed, which is a piss-poor model in terms of effectiveness. Many times, the things left unsaid by drug educators do the most harm by creating a vacuum of knowledge to be filled with speculation, myths and misconceptions. The idea that a drug is safe because it's legal is one example, but there are many others. And it's not just teenage zombies who are spreading disinformation--the media is leading the pack with inaccurate and patently untrue statements about the risks of bath salts. Early coverage was marred by confusion as reporters misidentified the drugs as actual bath and body products, which speaks volumes about the degree of ignorance surrounding the issue.
I fully fucking agree. That's why I think anyone who pulls shit like that is a fucking retard. Seriously. I don't get why they all didn't get jailed for selling analogs. MDPV is an OBVIOUS analog for example. WTF?
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: bbl337]
#14405880 - 05/05/11 03:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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the reason they dont have an ingredients list or get in trouble for being analogues is because they were sold as something to "not be consumed"
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: speedy_r6]
#14415900 - 05/07/11 03:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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http://www.changedetection.com/ use this free service to email you to notify you of changes to the website, so you don't have to check it daily.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: guest1]
#14416037 - 05/07/11 04:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'd be surprised if this really affects anything. RC vendors will still be shipping to the US. As long as I can still get my 2C-X, which it looks like I will. I don't give a fuck then.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: d00d557]
#14467313 - 05/17/11 10:45 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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2C-H is used to make 2C-X's, hence the illegalization of it. MDPV is an analouge of Pyrovalerone, which is Schedule 5 in the US, so technically MDPV is completely legal. The analogue act only covers drugs in the 1st and 2nd category.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: Remix]
#14541195 - 05/31/11 03:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Adamist said: Great... now China can start producing new, potentially dangerous chemicals to research on us with. 
exactly....slightly looking forward to it in a way 
Seriously, I can't wait until JWH 4509.6 and 2C-T-E-I-SE-5 come out.
2C-T-E-I-SE-5 this sounds fucking crazzy
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: Love2trip]
#14541342 - 05/31/11 03:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Adamist said: Great... now China can start producing new, potentially dangerous chemicals to research on us with. 
exactly....slightly looking forward to it in a way 
Seriously, I can't wait until JWH 4509.6 and 2C-T-E-I-SE-5 come out.
2C-T-E-I-SE-5 this sounds fucking crazzy
Lol, that's gotta be a joke.
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Re: Combating Designer Drugs Act of 2011 (Federal Level; 2C-X Drugs) [Re: d00d557]
#14544593 - 06/01/11 06:58 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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d00d557 said: I'd be surprised if this really affects anything. RC vendors will still be shipping to the US. As long as I can still get my 2C-X, which it looks like I will. I don't give a fuck then.
ummmm....there are going to be just about 0 vendors sending to the states when this gets passed. They have been shipping because it has been legal; this will make them illegal.
Its going tp be over for these chems soon. Others will be available, but if you want to try a 2C-X from the "magic half dozen" or whatever schulgin called them, you better buy/stock up on them NOW. 
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