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Advice for trip: Shrooms or acid for nature
#14358295 - 04/26/11 10:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hello there. SWIM is looking for advice from more experienced users for a trip he is planning for. In a few months SWIM will be returning home, where he lives next to a mountain. While he has never tripped there before, he imagines it would be a great place to trip, considering it has an amazing 360 view and there are no people living on it. The hike to the top is only 2 hours and is not very strenuous, having hiked it several times before. SWIM plans to eat what is a moderate dose for him, either 1-2 tabs of acid or half 1/8 of shrooms and head up the mountain during the middle of the night. He has done one solo acid trip before, but never on shrooms (SWIM quite enjoys solitude though and found his solo trip quite enjoyable). He wants to enjoy the scenery, look at stars, contemplate his life, and watch the sunrise. SWIM loves the introspective aspect of psychedelics and is looking forward to this opportunity.
SWIM has access to both shrooms and acid. While SWIM is moderately experienced with both (~6 trips on shrooms, 2 trips on acid), he prefers acid trips and finds them more pleasant and controllable, while for shrooms, he has had several difficult trips that he had to ride out (though does enjoy them). However, SWIM feels that acid's trip length may be too long for this trip. SWIM has not had much experience with acid and nature and would like your input. Which drug you would suggest for SWIM's night time hike up a mountain?
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Re: Advice for trip: Shrooms or acid for nature [Re: Oneiroi]
#14358373 - 04/26/11 10:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Welcome, lsd has my vote. To each his own though, either way. Enjoy & cherish
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Re: Advice for trip: Shrooms or acid for nature [Re: Oneiroi]
#14358384 - 04/26/11 10:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mushrooms give you a very strong connection with mother earth as she created them. They also induce nausea sometimes, which would be awful for a hike.
Acid would also be great because of the body high and less mindfucky.
Personally, I'd mix em
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Re: Advice for trip: Shrooms or acid for nature [Re: Oneiroi]
#14358388 - 04/26/11 10:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well it depends. If you are going up there to think deep thought and ponder the mysteries of the universe than I think shrooms would be better for this task.
On shrooms I always feel very connected to nature, one with it. Very spiritual indeed.
On the other hand with acid I tend to feel awestricken by everything. I really enjoy where I am and what I'm doing and do far less thinking and contemplating.
I'd probably lean more towards shrooms. It should give you a nice deep experience and not last too long.
Of course if this were a daytime hike I'd suggest acid. Acid was made for sunlight
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Re: Advice for trip: Shrooms or acid for nature [Re: Dawks]
#14358401 - 04/26/11 10:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Advice for trip: Shrooms or acid for nature [Re: Dawks]
#14358413 - 04/26/11 10:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i would say acid because it is night, and to me acid is a great night time trip. but in general shrooms are better with nature solo tripping.
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Re: Advice for trip: Shrooms or acid for nature [Re: Oneiroi]
#14358420 - 04/26/11 10:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Depends on what you want out of the trip.
If you want to see - LSD
If you want to feel - Mushrooms.
Mushrooms give you a more empathetic connection towards nature which often leads (IME) to a more profound experience. The colors are prettier too. Acid does this to a lesser degree, and focuses more on the visual aspect of the trip. If you want to run around in ecstasy while watching the trees change color, take Acid. If you want to sit around marveling at nature with your chin resting on your fist, take Mushrooms.
Or you could take both.
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Re: Advice for trip: Shrooms or acid for nature [Re: iamnotadream]
#14358555 - 04/26/11 10:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Only done mushrooms here, so don't have an opinion on which substance, but I have a bit of advice...
First trip was done in the forest, and I had a horrifying bad trip part. Not the whole thing, but there was a terrible section where I was afraid and stuck in terrible thought loops.
Problems I had: 1. Unfamiliarity with the area. We went to a state park, and we were in an area I was unfamiliar with. I felt very far from home, which wouldn't have been a problem had it not been for other factors. 2. It got very cold. It was supposed to be a fairly warm day, and I was wearing jeans and a sweatshirt, and was told mushrooms could raise my body temperature, so I figured I'd be fine. 3. Poor choice in tripping partners. One of the two bailed out at the last second, and spent part of the time messing with us . He hid from us for a part and I felt really alone and afraid.
If you can avoid those three things, I think you'd have a great time with mushrooms at least. It's worth mentioning I did it at about noon as well, and we did it in a secluded area in the park.
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Re: Advice for trip: Shrooms or acid for nature [Re: iamnotadream]
#14362599 - 04/27/11 05:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Great thank you for the advice all. Do you guys not use SWIM on these boards?
^ SWIM appreciates the advice. He feels fairly comfortable with the location, having hiked the mountain more than 5 times. However, if things go awry, he will be by himself with no easy way back. On more than half the trips on shrooms, he has had difficult experiences for part of the time (primarily during comedowns). All in all, the positive experiences of his shroom trips have far outweighed his negative experiences, and is willing to face this fear for what he imagines will be an incredible and hopefully enlightening experience.
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iamnotadream said: Mushrooms give you a more empathetic connection towards nature which often leads (IME) to a more profound experience.
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Dawks said: On shrooms I always feel very connected to nature, one with it. Very spiritual indeed.
SWIM is leaning toward mushrooms. All of his experiences with shrooms in nature have been really amazing. On shrooms he has felt intense spiritual connection with nature and complete bliss. He has yet to have a truly groundbreaking trip on acid though, having only done 1 tab both times, and never done it in nature. Also acid may be too long for this trip, SWIM doesn't know if he will be content watching the view atop a mountain for 8 hours.
Some of you mentioned doing shrooms and acid. SWIM has yet to try this but hopes to in the near future (probably not for this trip unless he becomes comfortable with this combo). What kind of trip should he expect to have if he tries this?
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Re: Advice for trip: Shrooms or acid for nature [Re: Oneiroi]
#14362634 - 04/27/11 05:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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No we don't use SWIM here.
My vote goes to 2g of mushrooms. You seem concerned of the duration of the acid and in my opinion mushrooms are great to do in nature anyway. Mushroom trips are almost always difficult for me too, but I go into it knowing that. They're very emotional.
If you do decide to take the acid though, I wouldn't be worried about getting bored because it probably won't happen. The drug is the entertainment, you need nothing else.
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Re: Advice for trip: Shrooms or acid for nature [Re: Midnight_Toker]
#14362804 - 04/27/11 06:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Advice for trip: Shrooms or acid for nature [Re: DeliriumTrigger]
#14362820 - 04/27/11 06:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think the whole "mushrooms are more natural-feeling" thing is 100% in people's heads. That being said, acid trips vary a lot more (at least for me) and it seems easier to wind up on a completely different kind of trip, so mushrooms are more of a sure-fired bet. Many times I have dropped acid with one intention in mind and completely gone the opposite direction, whether I liked it or not.
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Re: Advice for trip: Shrooms or acid for nature [Re: tokinman21]
#14362849 - 04/27/11 06:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Unless you know for sure that you're getting acid from the same source for years, you probably aren't getting acid every time. That's why trips are wayyy different, at least, more than just tripping in different environments.
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Re: Advice for trip: Shrooms or acid for nature [Re: Joolz]
#14362880 - 04/27/11 06:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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The choice is yours, my friend.
That said, judging by the brief temporal nature of the hike, I would take the mushrooms.
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Re: Advice for trip: Shrooms or acid for nature [Re: catalyst] 1
#14362926 - 04/27/11 06:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mushrooms hands down. Pondering the mysteries of the universe blanketed by thousands of stars is awesome.
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Re: Advice for trip: Shrooms or acid for nature [Re: Divinity]
#14363116 - 04/27/11 07:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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for anything!
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Re: Advice for trip: Shrooms or acid for nature [Re: Divinity]
#14363118 - 04/27/11 07:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you want to trip on the way there I would recommend LSD. It seems to be better for journeys and adventures in my opinion. If you're taking it when you get there, mushrooms. The hiking would be more comfortable on acid than on mushrooms because of the mushroom body load.
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Re: Advice for trip: Shrooms or acid for nature [Re: The_Aviator]
#14363717 - 04/27/11 09:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Would say depends.... But for me,'mushrooms' is all about nature...
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Re: Advice for trip: Shrooms or acid for nature [Re: HarryL]
#14363812 - 04/27/11 09:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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hiking up mountains on mushrooms can sometimes be a bit harsh on the stomach. but hiking up in the evening, and eating them atop the mountain, would probably be much nicer. That way a good portion of your peak isn't wasted on the hike up. And you can have maximum sunset+star gazing experience while tripping relatively hard on the mushrooms.
L on the other hand... hiking up on that would not be an issue. it'd be mad fun and the woods would be absolutely beautiful. you'd get up with plenty of time left to trip and watch the stars share insight.
I'd probably do the mushrooms only because that's something I've wanted to do for quite some time!
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Re: Advice for trip: Shrooms or acid for nature [Re: Oneiroi]
#14364346 - 04/27/11 11:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Stop using SWIM ya damn n00b
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Re: Advice for trip: Shrooms or acid for nature [Re: Oneiroi]
#14364410 - 04/27/11 11:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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swim would say shrooms, only because swim hasn't done lsd yet
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Re: Advice for trip: Shrooms or acid for nature [Re: shr]
#14365259 - 04/28/11 05:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've had many experiences with shrooms in different situations, and a couple of lsd trips. I would suggest shrooms for the trip in your case if you're after a better understanding of the world and a connection to nature. I've found that shrooms allow me to develop myself and explore the possibility and existence of everything and anything with great appreciation whilst lsd generally shows me the beauty and fun in everything without as much meaning or understanding as shrooms. That's pure opinion though, but it does seem like a reoccurring definition in limited detail.
You say that you've had difficult times on shrooms, has this happened when you were around other people or situations you were unfamiliar with? If it's happened whilst alone, perhaps taking the time to research why you felt bad or how to cope in certain situations while on shrooms will be of benefit to you.
In the end it all comes down to the person, but if you're sure there will be nobody else around then you should have no problems with a solo shroom trip in the woods. Personally I think you will walk away with more after a good shroom trip. I would take a moderate dose, peaking while the stars are still out and coming down while the sun is rising. I did this on a beach once and it was one of the best trips I've had.
There will always be dangers in solo shroom or lsd trips, but i guess trusting yourself is the best you can do. I hope this helps
I just re read your post. As others have said, good shroom trips are quite dependent on situation and being comfortable, and as you have only shroom tripped with others this could be the reason for you having to 'ride it out'. maybe in terms of personal growth it could be worth shroom tripping by yourself for something new. In the situation you've described, you wont be with anyone else which means you've only got yourself to worry about and you've hiked the track before so things will be familiar to you. points for consideration.
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Re: Advice for trip: Shrooms or acid for nature [Re: shr]
#14365284 - 04/28/11 05:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Haha alright no more SWIMing. 
^ I quite like how you describe a shroom trip and that's the experience I'm going for. As for difficult experiences, almost all of them have been during the comedowns (I have a rough time with them). I think its because I tend to shroom with others, and during these trips I don't spend as much time to myself and introspecting as I would like. During the comedowns this seems to hit me hard, all I want to do is be by myself to think. I've always seen shrooms as personal tool for insight and self exploration, yet haven't as much of an opportunity as I would like to use them this way.
I'll probably go with shrooms then. I forgot about the shroom body load, but I agree it might make it difficult to do hiking. There's a nice place to stop on the trail about 30 minutes away from the peak. I'm thinking of downing half an eighth shrooms with lemon juice there, then finishing the rest of the hike while I wait for them to kick in.
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Re: Advice for trip: Shrooms or acid for nature [Re: Oneiroi]
#14365360 - 04/28/11 06:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Obviously it really boils down to personal preference however for me at least, mushrooms I like to be somewhere comfortable like my bed and just lie there.
LSD I love taking walks and nature and just being one with nature.
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Re: Advice for trip: Shrooms or acid for nature [Re: Oneiroi]
#14365738 - 04/28/11 08:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'd say go with acid, as long as you know it'll be good. The stimulation and body high mix really well with outdoor environments.
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Re: Advice for trip: Shrooms or acid for nature [Re: LSDylan] 1
#14366566 - 04/28/11 11:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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for anything!
This, pretty much. I've always gotten more out of my LSD trips than shrooms. Hell, I only grew shrooms 'cause all the acid dried up. But then I found her again.
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Re: Advice for trip: Shrooms or acid for nature [Re: AcidStrippedMind]
#14366705 - 04/28/11 12:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mushrooms on an empty stomach!
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Re: Advice for trip: Shrooms or acid for nature [Re: fugazi32]
#14368658 - 04/28/11 06:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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fugazi32 said: Mushrooms on an empty stomach! 
Yeah, don't eat anything big before for at least 3 or 4 hours before the trip (longer if you have a slower metabolism). I ate very lightly, skipping breakfast the day I did it and had minor nausea and didn't throw up at all. My friend however, on a separate occasion, was enticed by Outback Steakhouse and was very hungry, inhaled that shit, then took his mushrooms. Needless to say he threw that alllll up.
Long story short, empty stomach. Seriously. I'd say slower your metabolism, longer you should wait.
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Re: Advice for trip: Shrooms or acid for nature [Re: Psilosomniac]
#14371086 - 04/29/11 03:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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fugazi32 said: Mushrooms on an empty stomach! 
Yeah, don't eat anything big before for at least 3 or 4 hours before the trip (longer if you have a slower metabolism). I ate very lightly, skipping breakfast the day I did it and had minor nausea and didn't throw up at all. My friend however, on a separate occasion, was enticed by Outback Steakhouse and was very hungry, inhaled that shit, then took his mushrooms. Needless to say he threw that alllll up.
Long story short, empty stomach. Seriously. I'd say slower your metabolism, longer you should wait.
My friend drinks beer and can eat a full meal before a trip, which I just think is plain wrong - I usually fast for most of the day I'm gonna trip to make it a stronger experience, with more body rushes!!!
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Re: Advice for trip: Shrooms or acid for nature [Re: Dawks]
#21204809 - 01/30/15 10:25 PM (9 years, 1 day ago) |
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Dawks said: "Acid was made for sunlight"
Hmm I know this thread is over 1000 days old, but tripwise; yes indeed,tripping balls during thenday is farnsuperior to the sketchy nightime trips, but sunlight is one of the biggest hazards to delicate LSD (besides heat) just thought I'd add on this lol
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Re: Advice for trip: Shrooms or acid for nature [Re: sull]
#21204848 - 01/30/15 10:37 PM (9 years, 1 day ago) |
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This is the 4th time today someone with 1 post has bumped an old thread over 2 years of age
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Re: Advice for trip: Shrooms or acid for nature [Re: Gottaloveacid]
#21205345 - 01/31/15 02:41 AM (9 years, 1 day ago) |
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Fuck nature. All trips should be done in a city or on an alien spaceship.
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