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Why do people have hatred towards Hallucinogens?
    #14358105 - 04/26/11 10:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So I was talking with some new druggie friends today, and drugs came up (of course). We took turns talking about what we've done, so of course, the first person goes "Oh yea dank kush dro weed da bomb, trippy stuff!" And so I'm laughing in my head thinking about what he'd think if he did shrooms or LSD. So then the next friend talks about Adderal being cool because he feels like superman, then eventually doing morphine and meth (I doubt). Then the next guy talked about how he only did tobacco and alcohol and said he couldn't handle anything stronger...

Then finally, me, I talked about my various experiences with shrooms and LSD, about how it destroyed the barrier of "self" and who "you" are, like a key to a door with the answers you were looking for. Then they started freaking out saying stuff like "LSD stays in your spine" or "LSD makes holes in your brain" or "LSD is rat poison" or "My friend did LSD and thought he was an orange and almost died" And I was like "BULL FUCKING SHIT, Hallucinogens are the safest drug with the best benefits and experiences, you never hear of people OD'ing on shrooms or having sex for their next hit of LSD."

No matter what I said, they still hated hallucinogens and that brought me here to ask....

Why do people believe all the bullshit about LSD and shrooms? How dumb can someone be to do stuff like drinking and driving or getting addicted to prescription medicine, and then go to calling me out for going through deep self pivotal experiences that really have made me improve my outlook on life and set higher goals...

TL;DR: Why are people so much more afraid of hallucinogens like LSD, shrooms, and DMT than the dangerous addicting drugs like coke, ice, and heroin?

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Re: Why do people have hatred towards Hallucinogens? [Re: Shrewmz]
    #14358134 - 04/26/11 10:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

because hallucinogens make you think a lot and most people dont like to think that hard about shit when in reality they just want to feel good.

my friends and i separate drugs by "hallucinogens" and "dumb drugs"


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Re: Why do people have hatred towards Hallucinogens? [Re: Shrewmz]
    #14358151 - 04/26/11 10:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

They fear what they don't understand.


Pretty ironic too - usually these sorts of people realize that drug propaganda is bullshit for the most part.  But they don't think twice about what they've been told about hallucinogens.  I hate people.

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Re: Why do people have hatred towards Hallucinogens? [Re: Shrewmz]
    #14358155 - 04/26/11 10:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm pretty sure it's because they would never risk taking something they might not be able to handle. Also many people will assume that a drug with such dramatic effects would have to be harmful.

edit: To expand on this. The word hallucinogen has many thoughts tied to it. People don't know about the type of hallucinations psychedelics cause, and media would have them believe they cause you to lose touch with reality every time.


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Re: Why do people have hatred towards Hallucinogens? [Re: Shrewmz]
    #14358164 - 04/26/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

sounds like you hang out with inbreds

but thinking is hard, thats why not many people like drugs that make you think.


people just like the dumb drugs nowadays, which is why the world blows

Edited by shr (04/26/11 10:12 PM)

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Re: Why do people have hatred towards Hallucinogens? [Re: iamnotadream]
    #14358167 - 04/26/11 10:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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iamnotadream said:
They fear what they don't understand.


Pretty ironic too - usually these sorts of people realize that drug propaganda is bullshit for the most part.  But they don't think twice about what they've been told about hallucinogens.  I hate people.




/agree /agree /agree

I guess people just like to get "fucked up" and don't give a shit about their lives, I guess I should just stay away from those shitheads

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Re: Why do people have hatred towards Hallucinogens? [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14358259 - 04/26/11 10:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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SamuelLJackson said:
because hallucinogens make you think a lot and most people dont like to think that hard about shit when in reality they just want to feel good.




I mean let's be honest, why risk spiritual enlightenment when you could just take OCs and Xanax to the dome? Ignorance is bliss :facepalm:


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Re: Why do people have hatred towards Hallucinogens? [Re: Shrewmz]
    #14358296 - 04/26/11 10:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Fear leads to anger, anger leads hate. :yoda:

It's all rooted in fear. And the source of the fear is not of the general population, no. The fear come directly from the world powers that control each and every one of us to their own end.

While there are many different states of mind, the one that is forced upon us is the state of mind that focuses on the production and consumption of material goods. Just look at society: People work; get paid; then spend that money on consuming things that make them feel better than the people around them. All in the process keeping the powerful, powerful and keeping weak, weak.

Usually by the time a person has finished school they have been taught to fear one another and that greed is the only way to be successful. That's why nearly everybody feels the need to cut the heads off others to make themselves feel tall.

This habit of production and consumption is very hard to break. Once you've been doing it all your life it feels like that's all there is and that there are no other states of mind.  This is far from the truth. Certain substances exist however that can make a person take a step back for a second and realize that life doesn't have to be all about production and consumption, that life can be about artisticness, sharing and creation. Even if that person has been locked in the cycle of servitude his whole life, psychedelics can make him reconsider. And that my dear OP scares the world powers like nothing else.

Things like psychedelics threaten the world powers because they have the power to socially deprogram us. It allows people to go through a childhood like state of mind again but with adult intelligence, where we can decide what we want to do - not what we are told we're supposed to do.

Because of this the world powers need to do something, they don't want unrest amongst their servants - because after all, we are the source of their power. So what they do is they release propaganda, stories and lies about these drugs. And what do us servants do? We lap it up as the truth. Humans trust those more powerful than them. It's the sad reality of things. So in the end the fear that the world powers have, has led the servants (the general population) to fear psychedelics as well and by extension hate them.

tl;dr People hate psychedelics because they are supposed to.

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Re: Why do people have hatred towards Hallucinogens? [Re: Dawks]
    #14358362 - 04/26/11 10:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So i'm the only one that thinks it doesn't have to be propaganda or not wanting to think? Yes the FDA has an agenda, and yes there is tons of misinformation, but the same thing can be said for all hard drugs.

I believe in most cases it's just behavioral to fear losing control, combined with rumors. Also the fact that they don't hang around with people on hallucinogens so they don't know how it really effects a person.


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Re: Why do people have hatred towards Hallucinogens? [Re: Dawks]
    #14358404 - 04/26/11 10:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

People are weak.. people become addicted to a drug that they know is addicting.. they think those drugs will make their pain go away and then they depend on it and sometimes can never let go of them.. Psychedelics to them is a "stupid" drug that they assume just makes you look stupid.. In fact, it is the other way around.. on the outside we may look "stupid" but on the inside they just don't have a clue what the hell is going on.. about weed, I have no comment.. never got high from it.. tried it once and didn't do anything to me.. My gf says weed is a psychedelic drug too so it may be on the lsd, shroom category as well.


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Re: Why do people have hatred towards Hallucinogens? [Re: Dawks]
    #14358425 - 04/26/11 10:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Definitely agree that people fear what they don't understand, and that people hate them because they're supposed to.  I know people who thought hallucinogenic drugs are "bad" because they thought they changed people.  I can understand people being afraid of a substance changing them against their will, but this just isn't the case.  The substance doesn't change you, you change yourself based on your experience.

People who blindly trust the government to make fair laws are stupid as well.  The government deems these substances "bad", and it would be illegal to do them, so they're bad and you should avoid them.  Also, lots of bullshit about LSD burning holes in your brain, etc.

tl;dr Misinformation and blind trust in the government to make "fair and just"* laws IMO.

*Subjective anyways... :shrug:

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Re: Why do people have hatred towards Hallucinogens? [Re: mesoamerican]
    #14358435 - 04/26/11 10:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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mesoamerican said:
People are weak.. people become addicted to a drug that they know is addicting.. they think those drugs will make their pain go away and then they depend on it and sometimes can never let go of them.. Psychedelics to them is a "stupid" drug that they assume just makes you look stupid.. In fact, it is the other way around.. on the outside we may look "stupid" but on the inside they just don't have a clue what the hell is going on.. about weed, I have no comment.. never got high from it.. tried it once and didn't do anything to me.. My gf says weed is a psychedelic drug too so it may be on the lsd, shroom category as well.




I stopped weed because it gave me withdraws and made me lazy, and I hate laziness so never again did weed after that. Weed does give you small hallucinations, but only your first 2-3 times, but for sure it's not ever close to the category of LSD or shrooms

I don't hate people who do weed for medicinal reasons, I just don't like it when weed gets hyped up beyond proportion..

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Re: Why do people have hatred towards Hallucinogens? [Re: Moo456]
    #14358447 - 04/26/11 10:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think most people are sold a reality through the media. 90 percent of the people believe and accept that reality.Its a form of control. Basically to create the american culture as they see fit. so whoever controls the media has spread a fear of hallucinogens and of course a stereotype so that pyschadelic users(us) can unfortunately be easily recognized and alienated.

I think its because pyschadelics cause a break in our everyday reality where we can really take a good look at ourself and culture/society.

Then they call us antisocial when in fact we are anti society.


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Re: Why do people have hatred towards Hallucinogens? [Re: Moo456] * 1
    #14358466 - 04/26/11 10:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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So i'm the only one that thinks it doesn't have to be propaganda or not wanting to think? Yes the FDA has an agenda, and yes there is tons of misinformation, but the same thing can be said for all hard drugs.

I believe in most cases it's just behavioral to fear losing control, combined with rumors. Also the fact that they don't hang around with people on hallucinogens so they don't know how it really effects a person.




I maintain that all hate towards drugs comes from the world powers. Indeed the world powers dislike different drugs for different reasons. Psychedelics are disliked because they open peoples minds. While heoin and meth are hated because people start to seek these rewards more than they seek commercial rewards such as iPhones and computers and whatnot.

Either way, drugs change the way people think and what their priorities are. Those that control us want us think in a certain way. Therefore drugs are the enemy.

I don't think people hate drugs because they fear the unknown. I don't go around saying "I fucking hate skydiving, skydiving makes you stupid and gives you cancer and anyone who liked skydiving is sick and should be put in prison" just because I'm too scared to skydive  :lol:

No, peoples dislike of psychedelics isn't self learned - it is taught to them.

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Re: Why do people have hatred towards Hallucinogens? [Re: Dawks]
    #14358492 - 04/26/11 10:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I agree with you dawks. good hear someone with a similiar thought pattern.

From what ive read mushrooms and lsd helped kickstart the hippie era. They dont want that to happen again.


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Re: Why do people have hatred towards Hallucinogens? [Re: savage.renegade]
    #14358560 - 04/26/11 10:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Obviously the governments don't like that about hallucinogens, however society is just as guilty of the rumors and exaggerations. Few illicit drug users believe the government anyway.

We're going to have to ease of the conspiracy shit if we ever want the healing to begin.


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Re: Why do people have hatred towards Hallucinogens? [Re: Moo456]
    #14358581 - 04/26/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

government controls society.


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Re: Why do people have hatred towards Hallucinogens? [Re: savage.renegade]
    #14358594 - 04/26/11 11:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So does free industry and supply and demand. For example TV shows sometimes make hallucinogens look bad for ratings.


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Re: Why do people have hatred towards Hallucinogens? [Re: Moo456]
    #14358621 - 04/26/11 11:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

look up noam chomsky on manufacturing consent  it will explain more than you want to know about the media.

he is not a conspiracy theorist so it isnt exciting to watch because its full of undeniable fact. you can watch it on youtube


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Re: Why do people have hatred towards Hallucinogens? [Re: savage.renegade]
    #14358631 - 04/26/11 11:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I will, but I still recommend you talk to people about the safety of drugs long before you start trying to convince people the government makes them think certain things.


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