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Invisibleeckhem

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Ultimate Destination
    #14357991 - 04/26/11 09:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

We are all going to die.  Why not end it now? What's stopping every one of us from cutting wrists vertically? It'd be so easy, and it would bring about the inevitable... as well as the possibility for answers.

Everyone is curious about death.  Some just think about it more than others.  But in the end, we all still die, and that doesn't make me suicidal.  I just have a hard time finding purpose in life.


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Re: Ultimate Destination [Re: eckhem]
    #14358135 - 04/26/11 10:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

There are two purposes to life:
1. Pleasure
2. Perpetuate your existence

While I understand my death is inevitable, I find that my life has more pleasure than suffering.


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Re: Ultimate Destination [Re: Weebasaurus Rex]
    #14358160 - 04/26/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm kinda doing this life thing right now.


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Re: Ultimate Destination [Re: eckhem]
    #14358281 - 04/26/11 10:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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eckhem said:
We are all going to die.  Why not end it now? What's stopping every one of us from cutting wrists vertically? It'd be so easy, and it would bring about the inevitable... as well as the possibility for answers.

Everyone is curious about death.  Some just think about it more than others.  But in the end, we all still die, and that doesn't make me suicidal.  I just have a hard time finding purpose in life.



There's no purpose in life, true. But there's no purpose in death, either.

Plus, being dead's not something you ever have to worry about experiencing.


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Re: Ultimate Destination [Re: NetDiver]
    #14359019 - 04/27/11 12:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The absurd man will not commit suicide; he wants to live, without
relinquishing any of his certainty, without a future, without hope, without illusions ... and without resignation either. He stares at
death with passionate attention and this fascination liberates him. He experiences the "divine irresponsibility" of the condemned man
~ albert camus

I find the thought of my inevitable surmise very interesting...
While I have no rush to end it.
Life is really just a waiting game.
We occupy ourselves with employment and vices to pass the time...
yeah. I could put a loaded gun to my head and blow my brains straight
out of my skull...
Then i'd be dead. hmmm
as interesting as death is to me, my actual death(the E.N.D.), not just ego death or
separation of mind/body temporarily...
is not something I want to experience until my time comes
i think i'll know when that is....


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Re: Ultimate Destination [Re: DeliciousVinyl]
    #14359036 - 04/27/11 12:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I just wrote a paper for a philosophy class about how Albert Camus' entire argument for why life is meaningless is deeply flawed.

Stating life is meaningless is like saying "This sentence is meaningless" is a meaningless sentence. You can't avoid attributing meaning to it.


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Re: Ultimate Destination [Re: eckhem]
    #14359219 - 04/27/11 01:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I generally just see suicide as a weak thing to do. It's like saying, "I give up" in the face of everything you have ever known.

I mean, we've all got our weaknesses, but our weaknesses harm us when we don't guard against them. I can understand that suicide is a reasonable response to certain circumstances, but really, let's not be too generous about those circumstances.


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Re: Ultimate Destination [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14361016 - 04/27/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I don't mean to say that life has no meaning, for meaning can be found and created... but inevitably everything you do and accomplish amounts to nothing.

It seems pessimistic, and even suicidal, but I'm still here... talking to you all in this forum.  I have no desire to kill myself, but philosophically, I don't see why I shouldn't.


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Re: Ultimate Destination [Re: eckhem]
    #14361047 - 04/27/11 01:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Death is pretty peculiar, but until you experience it why not try to make the best of life? Because who knows what happens after,( I mean this with no religious sub-context) maybe life is just a testing ground for death.


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Re: Ultimate Destination [Re: NightTripper]
    #14361077 - 04/27/11 01:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"Why not end it now?"

Good question.

Maybe its because we don't know if what lies beyond death will be any better than this life. It could just be this life again. Not much point to leave your life if you might just end up right back where you started.


Edited by xFrockx (04/27/11 01:26 PM)


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Re: Ultimate Destination [Re: eckhem]
    #14361100 - 04/27/11 01:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

One can put a gun to his head, care for oneself and/or help all animals (humans included) and plants to become happy.


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Re: Ultimate Destination [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #14361123 - 04/27/11 01:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

im not comfortable enough with death yet to kill myself. plus... i got shit to do


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Re: Ultimate Destination [Re: eckhem]
    #14362468 - 04/27/11 05:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Since death is inevitable anyhow, instead of killing yourself, why not push the limits of what you're capable of as a human being?  What have you got to lose if it's just a fleeting experiment anyhow?  The only adventure is inside of life, not beyond it.


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Ultimate Destination [Re: Lion]
    #14363145 - 04/27/11 07:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Lion said:
Since death is inevitable anyhow, instead of killing yourself, why not push the limits of what you're capable of as a human being?  What have you got to lose if it's just a fleeting experiment anyhow?  The only adventure is inside of life, not beyond it.




All of what you guys are saying makes logical sense...
Why not take life by the balls and swing for a win?

I guess I'm just skeptical about motivation and accomplishment. Time has become increasingly hard to understand as I continue to pass through it.  I find myself questioning reality and life itself more so than death... which is why I cannot begin to tell myself what I should be doing with this life I have.  And that is why death is a question to me.  I don't see it as an escape; my life isn't hellish or anything, I live pretty comfortable considering what I'm told other people endure.

Honestly, I'm rambling and I know it.  I just have this feeling deep down that whatever I do, it just is.

I used to believe in God for a good portion of my growing up years.  When I reached the mental state to question my beliefs, I was shaken.  Life really doesn't have any meaning in and of itself, so if I am supposed to create my own... then what?


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Re: Ultimate Destination [Re: eckhem]
    #14363219 - 04/27/11 07:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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eckhem said:
I just have a hard time finding purpose in life.




Finding purpose is easy... just get yourself addicted to heroin.  Things simplify tremendously after that: all you have to worry about is scoring and the ultimate pleasure of the nod justifies itself.  :syringe:


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Re: Ultimate Destination [Re: eckhem]
    #14364276 - 04/27/11 10:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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eckhem said:
I don't mean to say that life has no meaning, for meaning can be found and created... but inevitably everything you do and accomplish amounts to nothing.

It seems pessimistic, and even suicidal, but I'm still here... talking to you all in this forum.  I have no desire to kill myself, but philosophically, I don't see why I shouldn't.





this spells out the mistake that I see in many people including yourself.

You have basically contradicted yourself - you have said that everything you do and accomplish amounts to nothing.
But that would mean that you have not accomplished anything.

What you say makes sense if you consider every end as a means to another end, but if you pick a goal and call it your accomplishment then that is what you have accomplished.

Why should an accomplishment last forever?

What would be a different sort of impractical accomplishment.

Something only has to exist for a moment to have existed, if you can enjoy it then you have acheived your goal.


Since death is inevitable, you gain nothing from dying now. However if you use your limited life to acheive as much as you can, then you have created meaning in your life.

The next goal is to work out what sort of meaning you want to produce in your life. That is definately hard because we humans are only just coming to realise that we are the creators of our own meaning. Previously we thought that everything relied on divine judgements and that our own goals were miniscule in comparison.

But now you have the choice to work it out, experiment. See what makes you happy and what makes other people happy. If one person's happiness impedes on someone else's happiness, work out what you think it acceptable. Just follow your heart. If you are a selfish bastard you will probably think it is a free for all, and if you are an impractical altruist you might find it impossible to do anything without impeding on someone else.

But ultimately you might realise there is a path you find acceptable. A path that impedes on others to an acceptable degree, a degree that you yourself would accept dealing with.

Jesus said it all, but he also said a bit too much.

You need not love your god with all your heart but you are on the right track to love your neighbor as yourself, because ultimately, you are just someone else'e neighbor and the only way to spread a moral is to show it with your actions


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Re: Ultimate Destination [Re: Noteworthy]
    #14364694 - 04/28/11 12:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Noteworthy said:
If you are a selfish bastard you will probably think it is a free for all, and if you are an impractical altruist you might find it impossible to do anything without impeding on someone else.

But ultimately you might realise there is a path you find acceptable. A path that impedes on others to an acceptable degree, a degree that you yourself would accept dealing with.



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Re: Ultimate Destination [Re: NetDiver]
    #14364852 - 04/28/11 01:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Samurai Drifter said:
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eckhem said:
We are all going to die.  Why not end it now? What's stopping every one of us from cutting wrists vertically? It'd be so easy, and it would bring about the inevitable... as well as the possibility for answers.

Everyone is curious about death.  Some just think about it more than others.  But in the end, we all still die, and that doesn't make me suicidal.  I just have a hard time finding purpose in life.



There's no purpose in life, true. But there's no purpose in death, either.

Plus, being dead's not something you ever have to worry about experiencing.




i think i know someone who would beg to differ :satansmoking:


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[quote]Icelander said:
What is at the bottom of it?[/quote]

Death anxiety? :flirt:[/quote]


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Re: Ultimate Destination [Re: nootropic]
    #14365201 - 04/28/11 04:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

the purpose of life for us specie as a whole or individuals?

Life to me is this:

To serve the purpose of our specie as a whole and to accelerate towards something.

pleasure, is a biological trick to keep us going, to enjoy this process. so is competition in life, we want to be the best of the group without realising that competition breeds advancement as a whole group of specie.

Whatever that purpose might be we are definately getting closer everyday. Much like the function of a mushroom to exist and die so shortly but at the same time leaving spores to continue its purpose. We are just a very complicated form of bacteria or mould thats living on earth for thousands of years, slowly eating away the earth like a cancer. We are one big organism that you can see when your on a plane or in space. You will see brown shit with smoke coming out instead of green grass and woodlands.

Whatever our purpose is, it is not an individual purpose but a purpose as a whole specie.


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Re: Ultimate Destination [Re: Noteworthy]
    #14368989 - 04/28/11 07:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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But now you have the choice to work it out, experiment. See what makes you happy and what makes other people happy. If one person's happiness impedes on someone else's happiness, work out what you think it acceptable. Just follow your heart. If you are a selfish bastard you will probably think it is a free for all, and if you are an impractical altruist you might find it impossible to do anything without impeding on someone else.

But ultimately you might realise there is a path you find acceptable. A path that impedes on others to an acceptable degree, a degree that you yourself would accept dealing with.




I'll take this.  I guess I'm just coming here with these thoughts so that you all may allow me to see things through your eyes...

I think that everyone thinks about death, and I find myself thinking about it AT LEAST once a day, always before sleep.

I never have felt a desire, per se, to kill myself, but I certainly think about this issue philosophically.

Not to mention this forum has users that better understand what someone who has used psychedelics would think about this topic.

I have honestly abused psychedelics, and this is what they have brought me, taught me... and I do not regret it in any sort of way.  I know now what I didn't before these experiences, and I thank you all for being receptive.


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