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Ron Paul announces exploratory committee
    #14356859 - 04/26/11 06:18 PM (13 years, 26 days ago)

looks like he might actually run....






Personally, I really want him to run. Hes honest and is the only one offering real change. If he got the republican nomination I think he could win against obama but I dont think he can get the nomination. do you guys think hell run?

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #14357236 - 04/26/11 07:34 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

Seems like the only Antiwar candidate so far. I just got tickets to the first presidential debate, can't wait to see him speak .

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14357401 - 04/26/11 08:07 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

Yeah, he believes to end war on drugs and stop wasting money policing every nation.

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: teknix]
    #14357735 - 04/26/11 09:07 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

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Yeah, he believes to end war on drugs and stop wasting money policing every nation.




and end the federal reserve. no more printing money to pay for your evil shit!!

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #14357866 - 04/26/11 09:29 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

No more student loans.

No more taxes on the rich.

No more environmental regulations.

No more health care for the poor or elderly.

No more freedom of choice.

No more funding for the arts.

No more taxes on corporations.

No more welfare.

No more food stamps.

Wow, I really can't wait to live in Ron Paul's America.

For fuck's sake, it sounds like fucking Russia.


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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #14358551 - 04/26/11 10:55 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

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Madtowntripper said:
No more student loans.

No more taxes on the rich.

No more environmental regulations.

No more health care for the poor or elderly.

No more freedom of choice.

No more funding for the arts.

No more taxes on corporations.

No more welfare.

No more food stamps.

Wow, I really can't wait to live in Ron Paul's America.

For fuck's sake, it sounds like fucking Russia.





It doesn't mean students won't get loans.

There will always be someone to loan out money for repayment with interest IMO!

These will no longer be the Federal Governments role.

Not that big of deal guys, also he propeses a transistion stage and fallowing through with what is out there for the elderly!

Please do some research and try not to be such an ignorant fear monger that is afraid of change and the freedom it would bring.

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #14358557 - 04/26/11 10:56 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

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Madtowntripper said:
No more student loans.

No more taxes on the rich.

No more environmental regulations.

No more health care for the poor or elderly.

No more freedom of choice.

No more funding for the arts.

No more taxes on corporations.

No more welfare.

No more food stamps.

Wow, I really can't wait to live in Ron Paul's America.

For fuck's sake, it sounds like fucking Russia.




no more freedom of choice? thats what ron pauls all about. i dont see whats wrong with getting the government out of everything

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: teknix]
    #14358599 - 04/26/11 11:02 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

You have to be a puppet of big buisness  and a lying two-faced blow hard to become president in this hell hole, Ron Paul is neither.

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #14358985 - 04/27/11 12:18 AM (13 years, 25 days ago)

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No more student loans.

No more taxes on the rich.

No more environmental regulations.

No more health care for the poor or elderly.

No more freedom of choice.

No more funding for the arts.

No more taxes on corporations.

No more welfare.

No more food stamps.

Wow, I really can't wait to live in Ron Paul's America.

For fuck's sake, it sounds like fucking Russia.




I'd really appreciate you explaining exactly how Dr. Paul would accomplish all of this without getting kicked out of office or shot. It's an idealism, but not a reality.

In my opinion, he's probably going to tone down the radical for this election.


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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #14359719 - 04/27/11 06:31 AM (13 years, 25 days ago)

> No more student loans.

States and private entities would be free to provide student loans.  The federal government would no longer guarantee student loans or offer grants.  Why is the federal government in the business of funding education?

> No more taxes on the rich.

Not true.  Federal taxes would be lower for everybody, but they would still exist.  State taxes would probably increase as states received less funding from the federal government.

> No more environmental regulations.

Not true.  As pollution and environmental concerns span from across the states, this falls into the jurisdiction of the federal government.

> No more health care for the poor or elderly.

The individual states would be free to decide how much socialism to provide to their residents. 

> No more freedom of choice.

The individual states would be free to decide if they want to allow abortion or not, how much funding it should get, etc.

> No more funding for the arts.

Why should the federal government be funding the arts?  The states would be free to spend their tax money on whatever art projects they wish to fund.

> No more taxes on corporations.

Not true.  He is against corporate tax loopholes, not against corporate tax.

> No more welfare.

No welfare provided by the federal government.  The states are free to spend their tax money on whatever socialist projects they wish to fund.

> No more food stamps.

No food stamps provided by the federal government.  The states are free to spend their tax money on whatever socialist projects they wish to fund.


In a nutshell, just because the federal government no longer funds a thing does not mean that thing can no longer exist.  The general idea is to reduce the size of the federal government, end the federal government entitlements, and let the states have more power and autonomy.

I'm torn on Ron Paul.  I like a lot of his ideas and positions.  Unfortunately, there are a few really big ones that I don't care for, and to be honest, without Congress' blessing, he would be pretty impotent to make any real changes.


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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Seuss]
    #14359889 - 04/27/11 07:46 AM (13 years, 25 days ago)

Thank you suess. There are many things in free market economics which are counter intuitive and people assume they can't live without the government controlling everything. Read some Friedman, Hayek, Forbes, Mises, and you can understand why the federal government doesn't need to do this.

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Seuss]
    #14360197 - 04/27/11 09:25 AM (13 years, 25 days ago)

I stand by absolutely everything I said.

The election of Ron Paul would mean the death of those programs.

There are vital reasons for the government being involved in a myriad of programs in society that aren't strictly limited to national defense.  It's the fucking twenty-first century.  Your national security depends equally as much on having a well-educated and scientifically-trained workforce as it does in having guns and artillery shells.  For that reason alone, not to mention all of the countless others, it should be obvious why the government should take interest in it's citizens being educated.

I don't believe your stance on his environmental positions is even reasonably accurate.  Every time I've heard him speak on the matter he has been in favor of drastic reorganization of the EPA and of limiting it's powers to regulate anything on the natonal level.

There are many things that I want the Federal government in charge of, rather than the state.  Coherent policy, on many issues, is vital, and has been in the past, for many issues.

Civil Rights Act?  According to Paul, unconstitutional!  Should it have been passed?  I pretty well think so.

A powerful federal government, in many areas of the law, is a boon, not a bane.  I fear the balkanization of America much more than I fear the rampant powers of the federal government.

Like you, Seuss, I am not inherently against Ron Paul.  I like many of his ideas.  While I think his foreign policy, as a whole, is wildly irrational, I agree with some of his tenets, in particular his distaste for Israel.  I like his coherent immigration policy.  Obviously, I think his drug policy is sound.

I agree with him on issues that I disagree with almost every politician about, but I disagree with him on vastly more things than I agree with him on.


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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #14360376 - 04/27/11 10:10 AM (13 years, 25 days ago)

> I agree with him on issues that I disagree with almost every politician about, but I disagree with him on vastly more things than I agree with him on.

Actually, that is a pretty good summation for me as well.

As for the list of programs, I still believe most of them should be left to the states to decide/fund rather than the federal government.


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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Seuss]
    #14360824 - 04/27/11 12:16 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

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> I agree with him on issues that I disagree with almost every politician about, but I disagree with him on vastly more things than I agree with him on.

Actually, that is a pretty good summation for me as well.

As for the list of programs, I still believe most of them should be left to the states to decide/fund rather than the federal government.



Absolutely none of which is for the President to decide.


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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14361264 - 04/27/11 01:57 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

> Absolutely none of which is for the President to decide.

Yep... pretty much the point I was trying to make earlier when I said, "and to be honest, without Congress' blessing, he [Ron Paul as President] would be pretty impotent to make any real changes."  Too bad there isn't a basic liberty and law requirement for voters.


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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Seuss]
    #14362212 - 04/27/11 04:47 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)
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There is all kinds of stupidity in the world to consider.
Listen to this clip, it is astounding in the ignorance.

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #14362366 - 04/27/11 05:10 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

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For that reason alone, not to mention all of the countless others, it should be obvious why the government should take interest in it's citizens being educated.





the government doesn't WANT us to be educated. and the federal government has no business in educating or regulating us. whether you agree that they should be doing these things, you should agree theyve done a TERRIBLE job at EVERYTHING.

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Seuss]
    #14362530 - 04/27/11 05:35 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

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> No more student loans.

States and private entities would be free to provide student loans.  The federal government would no longer guarantee student loans or offer grants.  Why is the federal government in the business of funding education?

> No more taxes on the rich.

Not true.  Federal taxes would be lower for everybody, but they would still exist.  State taxes would probably increase as states received less funding from the federal government.

> No more environmental regulations.

Not true.  As pollution and environmental concerns span from across the states, this falls into the jurisdiction of the federal government.

> No more health care for the poor or elderly.

The individual states would be free to decide how much socialism to provide to their residents. 

> No more freedom of choice.

The individual states would be free to decide if they want to allow abortion or not, how much funding it should get, etc.

> No more funding for the arts.

Why should the federal government be funding the arts?  The states would be free to spend their tax money on whatever art projects they wish to fund.

> No more taxes on corporations.

Not true.  He is against corporate tax loopholes, not against corporate tax.

> No more welfare.

No welfare provided by the federal government.  The states are free to spend their tax money on whatever socialist projects they wish to fund.

> No more food stamps.

No food stamps provided by the federal government.  The states are free to spend their tax money on whatever socialist projects they wish to fund.


In a nutshell, just because the federal government no longer funds a thing does not mean that thing can no longer exist.  The general idea is to reduce the size of the federal government, end the federal government entitlements, and let the states have more power and autonomy.

I'm torn on Ron Paul.  I like a lot of his ideas and positions.  Unfortunately, there are a few really big ones that I don't care for, and to be honest, without Congress' blessing, he would be pretty impotent to make any real changes.




This is why we need to rally behind him, even vs congress! Now is forever, if we don't do something now, we never will . . .

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: teknix]
    #14364626 - 04/28/11 12:04 AM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Maybe Ron Paul can pass some law as president that gives his power to do what he wants?


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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Coaster]
    #14365389 - 04/28/11 06:37 AM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Yes, let's return to the ways of the 1870's when workers had no rights, children worked in factories and the lower class starved due to low wages.

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Le_Canard]
    #14365542 - 04/28/11 07:30 AM (13 years, 24 days ago)

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Yes, let's return to the ways of the 1870's when workers had no rights, children worked in factories and the lower class starved due to low wages.




That would and should be up to your state, which you are a part of.

Why do you care about every other state? Do you live there? Should you have a say in how your neighbor lives?

You would have to be completely and utterly ignorant to starve. I worked when I was 14, so what? It's called a work permit or paper route.

If you don't like your wages then find another job or start your own business. Or you can educate yourself, or just grow your own damn food.

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: teknix]
    #14365622 - 04/28/11 07:46 AM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Yes, but you still went to publicly-funded schools. And I'm talking about kids as young as 5 working there - no schooling whatsoever/ And if they happened to maimed while working around dangerous machinery, they'd get a few bucks for  the owners, but were basically SOL. Of course, I'm sure they could've looked for another job, but pickings are slim for a 1-armed 8 year old. Be that as it may, why stop at allowing the states to decide these things?  Why not dissolve the entire union and each state can form it's own country.

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Le_Canard]
    #14365641 - 04/28/11 07:50 AM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Well, I highly doubt a 5 year old is going to make a decent laborer, would you hire a 5 year old? Would your friends?

I honestly don't know of anyone that would.

There would be more incentive for people to start thier own business.

"Why not dissolve the entire union and each state can form it's own country."

Why not?

That is even more extreme, but interesting! I think the states should be accountable at some level, but who knows?

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: teknix]
    #14365663 - 04/28/11 07:55 AM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Not I or my friends, but some would. Look up the so-called "Gilded Age" of the late 19th and early 20th centuries in a history book. They sorta had a little Libertarian philosophy going on there. Of course, if worse comes to worse, some of you could emigrate to Somalia. That's pretty close to what would happen if Libertarians ran things.

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Le_Canard]
    #14365685 - 04/28/11 08:00 AM (13 years, 24 days ago)

No it wouldn't. I also wouldn't buy products from these companies, so they would likely go bankrupt, as many others would feel the same way.

Tell me more about your Independent states idea.

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: teknix]
    #14365690 - 04/28/11 08:03 AM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Besides, the states would make laws to prohibit such things.

Paul doesn't condone minors smoking pot . . .

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    #14365709 - 04/28/11 08:12 AM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Sure about that? It happened back then, it could happen in the future under a libertarian state. Methinks you overestimate the goodwill of most folks. Most wouldn't care about goods produced by child labor. Look at Chinese goods - some are produced by children in sweatshops in 16 hour shifts or produced by convict labor, and people buy their goods by the shipload.

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Le_Canard]
    #14365753 - 04/28/11 08:27 AM (13 years, 24 days ago)

As I think you underestimate :P

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: teknix]
    #14365799 - 04/28/11 08:46 AM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Toiletduk, you are applying the common misconception of libertarian views. The idea of libertarian is to bring as many as the rules of law to the local level. Your local government can decide the rules and you can be part of it. Paul is saying one size fits all rules doesn't fit with all communities, nor will anybody ever be able to agree at the level what is good for everbody. Anti drug war doesn't mean pro crack and anti federal labor laws doesn't mean pro sweat shop.

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14365810 - 04/28/11 08:51 AM (13 years, 24 days ago)

The minimum wage laws are silly though. People argue that if you don't have minimum wage laws it will destroy the middle class and there will be sweat shops, this really isn't true. People say it's wrong to work for 4 or 5 bucks an hour, but what if that is what the job is worth? Take for instance ChaCha service. It pays users by commission which if you do it all day long comes out to about 6 bucks an hour. Tons of people do it in this economy because they need money even though it's below minimum wage. Working for somebody is an agreement by both parties. Your Chinese argument contains many more variables than that they don't have minimum wage laws. You are making a cause and effect and leaving out everything else involved in their government and monetary policy.

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14367888 - 04/28/11 04:11 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

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Toiletduk, you are applying the common misconception of libertarian views. The idea of libertarian is to bring as many as the rules of law to the local level. Your local government can decide the rules and you can be part of it. Paul is saying one size fits all rules doesn't fit with all communities, nor will anybody ever be able to agree at the level what is good for everbody. Anti drug war doesn't mean pro crack and anti federal labor laws doesn't mean pro sweat shop.


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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Le_Canard]
    #14368051 - 04/28/11 04:38 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

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Sure about that? It happened back then, it could happen in the future under a libertarian state. Methinks you overestimate the goodwill of most folks. Most wouldn't care about goods produced by child labor. Look at Chinese goods - some are produced by children in sweatshops in 16 hour shifts or produced by convict labor, and people buy their goods by the shipload.




i highly doubt your local governor would be elected if he wanted to let that happen.


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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: bigmike7104]
    #14538921 - 05/31/11 01:16 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I for one am truly glad hees running. The direction the government has taken in relation to lawmaking is starting to sicken me. The patriot act getting an extension with no real debate, the "protect ip" act which would let private corporations get sites shut down before a trial and verdict, and the real ID act (national ID database). Not to mention the direct violations of the constitution by Obama. Chairing the UN security council in Sept 2009, taking a title from a foreign government (article 1 section 9), going to war with Libya without congressional approval (article 1 section 8 even after 60 days per the war powers resolution he still hasn't withdrew from Libya), and the numerous side-windings around congress using executive orders (highly unethical and totally undermines the balance of powers).

The office of the president is too powerful now and congress isn't doing a damn thing to stop it. Ultimate power vested in one man is too fundamentally dangerous on a governmental level that can be and is totally counterproductive to a free society. We need a president in there that will have no problems getting legislation introduced that will reduce his own power back to constitutional levels and make congress start taking responsibility for their job. Of all the things Ive heard said about Ron Paul no one can say that he is not a strict constitutionalist.

He also knows more about economics than all the other republican candidates and Obama combined. Keynesian (macro level - central planned) economics is not working. Money is only a means of trade, and values of said money (whatever form it may take) should be able to be negotiated between two parties without restriction.

If you haven't heard him speak on an economic level I'd advise you look him up. He knows what hees talking about. All the other issues are just media plagiarized gobbeldy gook to look more important than they are.

Does he have personal views? Sure! Does he let people know what they are when asked? That he does. Does he want to force his views upon anyone using the government as his tool to make them live that way? Hell No!

All this and a few more things is why I switched to Republican just to try to assist him in winning the primaries. If going toe to toe against Obama on the majority of the issues that matter (those that will see our country continue to succeed or continue to fail) I think he would win hands down. Just because the neo-con attitude is prominent in the party does not mean that one should accept things as they are. People have brains and especially with this budget problem that Washington is having people are starting to question things alot more. I also haven't heard anyone have ANY direct answers for solving this but him. Everyone else just dances around the issue like a pretty little elected official.

He is the only candidate that Ive seen support for outside the country (many people on youtube stating that they are not from US but saying we need this guy as president). Like it or not the office of the president of the US is an office that affects the world, and I dont see any foreigners lining up to support any other candidate LOL.

These are the basic reasons I will be supporting him for 2012. I welcome any comments.

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Chal021]
    #14546107 - 06/01/11 02:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I for one am truly glad hees running. The direction the government has taken in relation to lawmaking is starting to sicken me. The patriot act getting an extension with no real debate, the "protect ip" act which would let private corporations get sites shut down before a trial and verdict, and the real ID act (national ID database). Not to mention the direct violations of the constitution by Obama. Chairing the UN security council in Sept 2009, taking a title from a foreign government (article 1 section 9), going to war with Libya without congressional approval (article 1 section 8 even after 60 days per the war powers resolution he still hasn't withdrew from Libya), and the numerous side-windings around congress using executive orders (highly unethical and totally undermines the balance of powers).

The office of the president is too powerful now and congress isn't doing a damn thing to stop it. Ultimate power vested in one man is too fundamentally dangerous on a governmental level that can be and is totally counterproductive to a free society. We need a president in there that will have no problems getting legislation introduced that will reduce his own power back to constitutional levels and make congress start taking responsibility for their job. Of all the things Ive heard said about Ron Paul no one can say that he is not a strict constitutionalist.

He also knows more about economics than all the other republican candidates and Obama combined. Keynesian (macro level - central planned) economics is not working. Money is only a means of trade, and values of said money (whatever form it may take) should be able to be negotiated between two parties without restriction.

If you haven't heard him speak on an economic level I'd advise you look him up. He knows what hees talking about. All the other issues are just media plagiarized gobbeldy gook to look more important than they are.

Does he have personal views? Sure! Does he let people know what they are when asked? That he does. Does he want to force his views upon anyone using the government as his tool to make them live that way? Hell No!

All this and a few more things is why I switched to Republican just to try to assist him in winning the primaries. If going toe to toe against Obama on the majority of the issues that matter (those that will see our country continue to succeed or continue to fail) I think he would win hands down. Just because the neo-con attitude is prominent in the party does not mean that one should accept things as they are. People have brains and especially with this budget problem that Washington is having people are starting to question things alot more. I also haven't heard anyone have ANY direct answers for solving this but him. Everyone else just dances around the issue like a pretty little elected official.

He is the only candidate that Ive seen support for outside the country (many people on youtube stating that they are not from US but saying we need this guy as president). Like it or not the office of the president of the US is an office that affects the world, and I dont see any foreigners lining up to support any other candidate LOL.

These are the basic reasons I will be supporting him for 2012. I welcome any comments.




it would make far too much sense to put someone wise and rational in the white house, way too much sense to make things work in a way that is logical and benefits society. this is why he'll never get elected, I'm sorry I love ron paul, but I think the day he gets elected will be the day most of our problems are solved, so long as society and the country itself stays as corrupt and ridiculous as it is today ron paul wont ever be elected. People want charismatic charming good looking presidents, people dont care about what they do or say for more then 15min.


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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: snoot]
    #14546159 - 06/01/11 02:54 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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You have to be a puppet of big buisness  and a lying two-faced blow hard to become president in this hell hole, Ron Paul is neither.




Which is way Ron Paul will never be President, and continuing to support his ticket is the equivalent to wasting time. 

No Presidential candidate is worth supporting.

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: snoot]
    #14546277 - 06/01/11 03:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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it would make far too much sense to put someone wise and rational in the white house, way too much sense to make things work in a way that is logical and benefits society. this is why he'll never get elected, I'm sorry I love ron paul, but I think the day he gets elected will be the day most of our problems are solved, so long as society and the country itself stays as corrupt and ridiculous as it is today ron paul wont ever be elected.




This sounds EXACTLY like the Obamabots from 3 years ago.


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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: LisonAlGaib]
    #14546312 - 06/01/11 03:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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thelivingfreekshow said:
You have to be a puppet of big buisness  and a lying two-faced blow hard to become president in this hell hole, Ron Paul is neither.




Which is way Ron Paul will never be President, and continuing to support his ticket is the equivalent to wasting time. 

No Presidential candidate is worth supporting.





I'll vote for that.


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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14546454 - 06/01/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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it would make far too much sense to put someone wise and rational in the white house, way too much sense to make things work in a way that is logical and benefits society. this is why he'll never get elected, I'm sorry I love ron paul, but I think the day he gets elected will be the day most of our problems are solved, so long as society and the country itself stays as corrupt and ridiculous as it is today ron paul wont ever be elected.




This sounds EXACTLY like the Obamabots from 3 years ago.





how so? I didnt vote for Obama or endorse him, or enjoy him as a president. I would love to see ron paul in office.


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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: snoot]
    #14546724 - 06/01/11 04:39 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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snoot said:


it would make far too much sense to put someone wise and rational in the white house, way too much sense to make things work in a way that is logical and benefits society. this is why he'll never get elected, I'm sorry I love ron paul, but I think the day he gets elected will be the day most of our problems are solved, so long as society and the country itself stays as corrupt and ridiculous as it is today ron paul wont ever be elected.




This sounds EXACTLY like the Obamabots from 3 years ago.





how so? I didnt vote for Obama or endorse him, or enjoy him as a president. I would love to see ron paul in office.




I highlighted the Paulbot part for you in case you forgot what you wrote.
I can't decide which of the two assholes would be worse.  Four more of Obama or any of L. Ron.


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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14546748 - 06/01/11 04:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

no I didnt mean that ron paul would solve all our problems, I just think that day wont ever happen till most the things we stressed about are irrelevant, I just dont think its ron pauls time, he's ahead of his time,.

I wish someone would freeze him and let him back out in a decade or so maybe.


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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: snoot]
    #14546777 - 06/01/11 04:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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no I didnt mean that ron paul would solve all our problems, I just think that day wont ever happen till most the things we stressed about are irrelevant, I just dont think its ron pauls time, he's ahead of his time,.

I wish someone would freeze him and let him back out in a decade or so maybe.





What do you perceive to be our major problems?


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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Icelander]
    #14561092 - 06/04/11 05:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Never thought I'd see the day when you and I agreed on something.  :toast:

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