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Ron Paul announces exploratory committee
    #14356859 - 04/26/11 06:18 PM (13 years, 26 days ago)

looks like he might actually run....






Personally, I really want him to run. Hes honest and is the only one offering real change. If he got the republican nomination I think he could win against obama but I dont think he can get the nomination. do you guys think hell run?

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #14357236 - 04/26/11 07:34 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

Seems like the only Antiwar candidate so far. I just got tickets to the first presidential debate, can't wait to see him speak .

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14357401 - 04/26/11 08:07 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

Yeah, he believes to end war on drugs and stop wasting money policing every nation.

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: teknix]
    #14357735 - 04/26/11 09:07 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

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Yeah, he believes to end war on drugs and stop wasting money policing every nation.




and end the federal reserve. no more printing money to pay for your evil shit!!

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #14357866 - 04/26/11 09:29 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

No more student loans.

No more taxes on the rich.

No more environmental regulations.

No more health care for the poor or elderly.

No more freedom of choice.

No more funding for the arts.

No more taxes on corporations.

No more welfare.

No more food stamps.

Wow, I really can't wait to live in Ron Paul's America.

For fuck's sake, it sounds like fucking Russia.


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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #14358551 - 04/26/11 10:55 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

Quote:

Madtowntripper said:
No more student loans.

No more taxes on the rich.

No more environmental regulations.

No more health care for the poor or elderly.

No more freedom of choice.

No more funding for the arts.

No more taxes on corporations.

No more welfare.

No more food stamps.

Wow, I really can't wait to live in Ron Paul's America.

For fuck's sake, it sounds like fucking Russia.





It doesn't mean students won't get loans.

There will always be someone to loan out money for repayment with interest IMO!

These will no longer be the Federal Governments role.

Not that big of deal guys, also he propeses a transistion stage and fallowing through with what is out there for the elderly!

Please do some research and try not to be such an ignorant fear monger that is afraid of change and the freedom it would bring.

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #14358557 - 04/26/11 10:56 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

Quote:

Madtowntripper said:
No more student loans.

No more taxes on the rich.

No more environmental regulations.

No more health care for the poor or elderly.

No more freedom of choice.

No more funding for the arts.

No more taxes on corporations.

No more welfare.

No more food stamps.

Wow, I really can't wait to live in Ron Paul's America.

For fuck's sake, it sounds like fucking Russia.




no more freedom of choice? thats what ron pauls all about. i dont see whats wrong with getting the government out of everything

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: teknix]
    #14358599 - 04/26/11 11:02 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

You have to be a puppet of big buisness  and a lying two-faced blow hard to become president in this hell hole, Ron Paul is neither.

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #14358985 - 04/27/11 12:18 AM (13 years, 25 days ago)

Quote:

Madtowntripper said:
No more student loans.

No more taxes on the rich.

No more environmental regulations.

No more health care for the poor or elderly.

No more freedom of choice.

No more funding for the arts.

No more taxes on corporations.

No more welfare.

No more food stamps.

Wow, I really can't wait to live in Ron Paul's America.

For fuck's sake, it sounds like fucking Russia.




I'd really appreciate you explaining exactly how Dr. Paul would accomplish all of this without getting kicked out of office or shot. It's an idealism, but not a reality.

In my opinion, he's probably going to tone down the radical for this election.


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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #14359719 - 04/27/11 06:31 AM (13 years, 25 days ago)

> No more student loans.

States and private entities would be free to provide student loans.  The federal government would no longer guarantee student loans or offer grants.  Why is the federal government in the business of funding education?

> No more taxes on the rich.

Not true.  Federal taxes would be lower for everybody, but they would still exist.  State taxes would probably increase as states received less funding from the federal government.

> No more environmental regulations.

Not true.  As pollution and environmental concerns span from across the states, this falls into the jurisdiction of the federal government.

> No more health care for the poor or elderly.

The individual states would be free to decide how much socialism to provide to their residents. 

> No more freedom of choice.

The individual states would be free to decide if they want to allow abortion or not, how much funding it should get, etc.

> No more funding for the arts.

Why should the federal government be funding the arts?  The states would be free to spend their tax money on whatever art projects they wish to fund.

> No more taxes on corporations.

Not true.  He is against corporate tax loopholes, not against corporate tax.

> No more welfare.

No welfare provided by the federal government.  The states are free to spend their tax money on whatever socialist projects they wish to fund.

> No more food stamps.

No food stamps provided by the federal government.  The states are free to spend their tax money on whatever socialist projects they wish to fund.


In a nutshell, just because the federal government no longer funds a thing does not mean that thing can no longer exist.  The general idea is to reduce the size of the federal government, end the federal government entitlements, and let the states have more power and autonomy.

I'm torn on Ron Paul.  I like a lot of his ideas and positions.  Unfortunately, there are a few really big ones that I don't care for, and to be honest, without Congress' blessing, he would be pretty impotent to make any real changes.


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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Seuss]
    #14359889 - 04/27/11 07:46 AM (13 years, 25 days ago)

Thank you suess. There are many things in free market economics which are counter intuitive and people assume they can't live without the government controlling everything. Read some Friedman, Hayek, Forbes, Mises, and you can understand why the federal government doesn't need to do this.

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Seuss]
    #14360197 - 04/27/11 09:25 AM (13 years, 25 days ago)

I stand by absolutely everything I said.

The election of Ron Paul would mean the death of those programs.

There are vital reasons for the government being involved in a myriad of programs in society that aren't strictly limited to national defense.  It's the fucking twenty-first century.  Your national security depends equally as much on having a well-educated and scientifically-trained workforce as it does in having guns and artillery shells.  For that reason alone, not to mention all of the countless others, it should be obvious why the government should take interest in it's citizens being educated.

I don't believe your stance on his environmental positions is even reasonably accurate.  Every time I've heard him speak on the matter he has been in favor of drastic reorganization of the EPA and of limiting it's powers to regulate anything on the natonal level.

There are many things that I want the Federal government in charge of, rather than the state.  Coherent policy, on many issues, is vital, and has been in the past, for many issues.

Civil Rights Act?  According to Paul, unconstitutional!  Should it have been passed?  I pretty well think so.

A powerful federal government, in many areas of the law, is a boon, not a bane.  I fear the balkanization of America much more than I fear the rampant powers of the federal government.

Like you, Seuss, I am not inherently against Ron Paul.  I like many of his ideas.  While I think his foreign policy, as a whole, is wildly irrational, I agree with some of his tenets, in particular his distaste for Israel.  I like his coherent immigration policy.  Obviously, I think his drug policy is sound.

I agree with him on issues that I disagree with almost every politician about, but I disagree with him on vastly more things than I agree with him on.


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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #14360376 - 04/27/11 10:10 AM (13 years, 25 days ago)

> I agree with him on issues that I disagree with almost every politician about, but I disagree with him on vastly more things than I agree with him on.

Actually, that is a pretty good summation for me as well.

As for the list of programs, I still believe most of them should be left to the states to decide/fund rather than the federal government.


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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Seuss]
    #14360824 - 04/27/11 12:16 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

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> I agree with him on issues that I disagree with almost every politician about, but I disagree with him on vastly more things than I agree with him on.

Actually, that is a pretty good summation for me as well.

As for the list of programs, I still believe most of them should be left to the states to decide/fund rather than the federal government.



Absolutely none of which is for the President to decide.


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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14361264 - 04/27/11 01:57 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

> Absolutely none of which is for the President to decide.

Yep... pretty much the point I was trying to make earlier when I said, "and to be honest, without Congress' blessing, he [Ron Paul as President] would be pretty impotent to make any real changes."  Too bad there isn't a basic liberty and law requirement for voters.


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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Seuss]
    #14362212 - 04/27/11 04:47 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)
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There is all kinds of stupidity in the world to consider.
Listen to this clip, it is astounding in the ignorance.

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #14362366 - 04/27/11 05:10 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

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For that reason alone, not to mention all of the countless others, it should be obvious why the government should take interest in it's citizens being educated.





the government doesn't WANT us to be educated. and the federal government has no business in educating or regulating us. whether you agree that they should be doing these things, you should agree theyve done a TERRIBLE job at EVERYTHING.

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Seuss]
    #14362530 - 04/27/11 05:35 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

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Quote:

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> No more student loans.

States and private entities would be free to provide student loans.  The federal government would no longer guarantee student loans or offer grants.  Why is the federal government in the business of funding education?

> No more taxes on the rich.

Not true.  Federal taxes would be lower for everybody, but they would still exist.  State taxes would probably increase as states received less funding from the federal government.

> No more environmental regulations.

Not true.  As pollution and environmental concerns span from across the states, this falls into the jurisdiction of the federal government.

> No more health care for the poor or elderly.

The individual states would be free to decide how much socialism to provide to their residents. 

> No more freedom of choice.

The individual states would be free to decide if they want to allow abortion or not, how much funding it should get, etc.

> No more funding for the arts.

Why should the federal government be funding the arts?  The states would be free to spend their tax money on whatever art projects they wish to fund.

> No more taxes on corporations.

Not true.  He is against corporate tax loopholes, not against corporate tax.

> No more welfare.

No welfare provided by the federal government.  The states are free to spend their tax money on whatever socialist projects they wish to fund.

> No more food stamps.

No food stamps provided by the federal government.  The states are free to spend their tax money on whatever socialist projects they wish to fund.


In a nutshell, just because the federal government no longer funds a thing does not mean that thing can no longer exist.  The general idea is to reduce the size of the federal government, end the federal government entitlements, and let the states have more power and autonomy.

I'm torn on Ron Paul.  I like a lot of his ideas and positions.  Unfortunately, there are a few really big ones that I don't care for, and to be honest, without Congress' blessing, he would be pretty impotent to make any real changes.




This is why we need to rally behind him, even vs congress! Now is forever, if we don't do something now, we never will . . .

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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: teknix]
    #14364626 - 04/28/11 12:04 AM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Maybe Ron Paul can pass some law as president that gives his power to do what he wants?


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Re: Ron Paul announces exploratory committee [Re: Coaster]
    #14365389 - 04/28/11 06:37 AM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Yes, let's return to the ways of the 1870's when workers had no rights, children worked in factories and the lower class starved due to low wages.

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