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Intelligence, Social Ability, and Evolution
    #14356664 - 04/26/11 05:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm a staunch believer in every form of Darwinism, natural selection, evolution, etc.  I was thinking yesterday about Einstein and how he was a very social guy and still insanely intelligent.  On the other end of the spectrum you have Tesla, who was a certified genius but claimed to be celibate and, like many other great minds, was socially inept.  I understand the reason for this: The brain allocates power to the area responsible for abstract thought and the ability to interact with other people goes out the window.  Now here's what I can't understand:  Why, in an evolutionary sense, would someone be born with the ability to better their species but might not be able to reproduce?  Would you just consider them to be an outlier in an otherwise normally distributed curve (where the middle of the curve includes those with equal intelligence/social ability)?


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Re: Intelligence, Social Ability, and Evolution [Re: SS32]
    #14356728 - 04/26/11 05:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Social traits aren't inherited, they're all learned or chosen


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Re: Intelligence, Social Ability, and Evolution [Re: SS32]
    #14356758 - 04/26/11 06:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I don't think its that simple, innate intelligence in various forms may be genetic but how it is formed is environmental if you ask me.


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Re: Intelligence, Social Ability, and Evolution [Re: BargainBab]
    #14356805 - 04/26/11 06:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Social traits aren't inherited, they're all learned or chosen



I disagree.  Look at people with asperger syndrome.  They are highly functioning in one area but often socially crippled.


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Did he dream about dragons? Did he dream about deer? Did he whisper  he names of friends who were near?
What songs did they play, and how far away? Why did he whisper, why did she scream?
What does the sound of a screen door mean?
Who talks on the hill? Who goes to the cellar, can you feel the chill? Where does the river, when will the wind?
How far are the mountains? Where do they end? Why would the church?
Did the service begin? Tell me who died, and tell me who cried.
Help me hide in the skin of a deer, my zippered-up bag in the mouth of a stag so swiftly I go through rows of does,
it flows, it flows, it flows, it flows all over the hill where the green grass grows.


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Re: Intelligence, Social Ability, and Evolution [Re: SS32]
    #14356820 - 04/26/11 06:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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BargainBab said:
Social traits aren't inherited, they're all learned or chosen



This. While genes may play a role indirectly, all those socially inempt people are that way by choice whether or not they realized it. If they had trouble communicating with people then such is the imperfection of their outlook, but perhaps they also just didnt give a fuck. We all have to prioritize thangs we do and thangs we can live with.


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Re: Intelligence, Social Ability, and Evolution [Re: SS32]
    #14356846 - 04/26/11 06:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Asperger is interesting... The high intelligence makes them capable to sense emotion anyhow and mimic is perfectly. Nice trait, more a diffirent way of thinking (neurological) then effectively a disorder, imo.

Darwinism :smirk: abolishment of physical and mental ache alltogether sounds plausible, better living through chemistry :smile:.

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Re: Intelligence, Social Ability, and Evolution [Re: SS32]
    #14356873 - 04/26/11 06:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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BargainBab said:
Social traits aren't inherited, they're all learned or chosen



I disagree.  Look at people with asperger syndrome.  They are highly functioning in one area but often socially crippled.




Asberger's syndrome is a mild form of autism, it makes the brain function differently. That's different than somebody who is nervous to talk to new people


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Re: Intelligence, Social Ability, and Evolution [Re: BargainBab]
    #14356878 - 04/26/11 06:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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BargainBab said:
Social traits aren't inherited, they're all learned or chosen




Social traits are just as inherited as other complex traits like intelligence.  All sorts of psychological traits and behaviors are associated with genetics:  psychosis, addiction, anxiety,


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: Intelligence, Social Ability, and Evolution [Re: Beanhead]
    #14356899 - 04/26/11 06:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Take a look at this.  The guy is an engineering genius, but cannot recognize human emotion.  He reacts inappropriately and often comes across as arrogant.  Yet with the application of a focused magnetic field on the part of the brain responsible for social functioning, he is able to operate (more or less) like a normal person



I do believe that both nature and nurture play a role in the development of every aspect of the brain, but you can't tell me that every awkward engineering student is the product of their environment.  On the flip side, do you really believe that every charismatic salesman who can't handle a high school precalc class can blame his upbringing for his inability to understand abstract mathematic concepts?


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Did he dream about dragons? Did he dream about deer? Did he whisper  he names of friends who were near?
What songs did they play, and how far away? Why did he whisper, why did she scream?
What does the sound of a screen door mean?
Who talks on the hill? Who goes to the cellar, can you feel the chill? Where does the river, when will the wind?
How far are the mountains? Where do they end? Why would the church?
Did the service begin? Tell me who died, and tell me who cried.
Help me hide in the skin of a deer, my zippered-up bag in the mouth of a stag so swiftly I go through rows of does,
it flows, it flows, it flows, it flows all over the hill where the green grass grows.


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Re: Intelligence, Social Ability, and Evolution [Re: SS32]
    #14356921 - 04/26/11 06:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Tell me how does your staunch belief in dwarnisim on every level explain abiogenesis?


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Re: Intelligence, Social Ability, and Evolution [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14356949 - 04/26/11 06:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Come again?  It has been proven more than once that basic amino acids can be created in chemical reactions that occur naturally.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment

I'm confused as to exactly what you're asking.


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Did he dream about dragons? Did he dream about deer? Did he whisper  he names of friends who were near?
What songs did they play, and how far away? Why did he whisper, why did she scream?
What does the sound of a screen door mean?
Who talks on the hill? Who goes to the cellar, can you feel the chill? Where does the river, when will the wind?
How far are the mountains? Where do they end? Why would the church?
Did the service begin? Tell me who died, and tell me who cried.
Help me hide in the skin of a deer, my zippered-up bag in the mouth of a stag so swiftly I go through rows of does,
it flows, it flows, it flows, it flows all over the hill where the green grass grows.


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Re: Intelligence, Social Ability, and Evolution [Re: SS32]
    #14357010 - 04/26/11 06:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

They created amino acids....wonderful. They bear not the faintest semblance of a strand of DNA.


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Re: Intelligence, Social Ability, and Evolution [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14357021 - 04/26/11 06:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'll be honest with you, I haven't done much reading in regards to primordial life, so I really can't make an educated comment on it.  Evolution makes sense to me past that initial point, but I'll read up on how life got started and see what I can learn.  I'm guessing you don't buy into the theory.  Where do you think DNA came from?


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Did he dream about dragons? Did he dream about deer? Did he whisper  he names of friends who were near?
What songs did they play, and how far away? Why did he whisper, why did she scream?
What does the sound of a screen door mean?
Who talks on the hill? Who goes to the cellar, can you feel the chill? Where does the river, when will the wind?
How far are the mountains? Where do they end? Why would the church?
Did the service begin? Tell me who died, and tell me who cried.
Help me hide in the skin of a deer, my zippered-up bag in the mouth of a stag so swiftly I go through rows of does,
it flows, it flows, it flows, it flows all over the hill where the green grass grows.


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Re: Intelligence, Social Ability, and Evolution [Re: SS32]
    #14357039 - 04/26/11 06:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I dont know, but Darwinism and all the other overly simplified theories fall apart when you go back to that point. Which makes me believe that theres more to evolution even now then just A fucks B instead of D so B and A's genes propagate.


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Re: Intelligence, Social Ability, and Evolution [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14357050 - 04/26/11 06:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well yeah there's more to everything than what we know :shrug:

Its pretty damn hard to study primordial life - very little remains of what lived billions of years ago and that period of microscopic life/(sublife?) supposedly lasted for a billion or three years itself.


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