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    #14356605 - 04/26/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Have humans strayed too far from nature? [Re: norm]
    #14356622 - 04/26/11 05:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

bro we are nature.

technology is nature.. we make a difference for convienence purposes but we are nature, just in another stage of evolution


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Re: Have humans strayed too far from nature? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14356629 - 04/26/11 05:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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bro we are nature.

technology is nature.. we make a difference for convienence purposes but we are nature, just in another stage of evolution



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Re: Have humans strayed too far from nature? [Re: twighead]
    #14356695 - 04/26/11 05:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Have humans strayed too far from nature? [Re: norm]
    #14356710 - 04/26/11 05:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i said the difference has been artificially made in our language and perceptions between "nature" and "humans", but really we are nature. Technology is nature.


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Re: Have humans strayed too far from nature? [Re: norm]
    #14356718 - 04/26/11 05:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I don't know about you but come winter I'm fucking happy I live indoors closed off from the freezing ass temperatures outside and I don't need to starve or hunt scarce wildlife to survive... I can just go to the store and pick up some shit from across the globe. Oh and I like baths and showers and stuff.

I'm sure living back then had its merits but I'm pretty damn sure I'd prefer now.


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Re: Have humans strayed too far from nature? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14356724 - 04/26/11 05:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

We are still evolving. You can still go live in the wild and hunt deer and pick fruit if you want....


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Re: Have humans strayed too far from nature? [Re: HuHEN]
    #14356765 - 04/26/11 06:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Have humans strayed too far from nature? [Re: norm]
    #14356789 - 04/26/11 06:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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So I went to the zoo last weekend. While watching the monkeys, I had kind of a strange thought that I've been thinking about ever since...

People have been around for a long time. Before writing, before farming, even before money. I'm not an expert in anthropology or evolution, but I imagine that human society would have behaved a lot like our primate ancestors would have. Think about how far we've strayed from that. Humans are really just another species of animal, which had the capabilities to survive and be happy long before any of the shit we rely on today. Just like monkeys, I imagine people used to live in small isolated groups, and were driven mostly by the need for food, water, and shelter. Occasionally they would have to defend themselves from some natural predator or something, but mostly they were content just living their lives and not dying.

Look at how we operate now. Every day, I have so much extra bullshit to worry about, that doesn't need to be there. At the zoo, I was jealous at the monkeys, who jumped from tree to tree, playing with each other, etc. (obviously monkeys in the wild have a lot more to do to survive, but bear with me here). Every day, I have to get up early, pay tuition and rent, go to fucking class (1st year college student in Montana), have to worry about money, jobs, education, car maintenance... the list just goes on and on. All the technology we have the "privilege" of having in 2011 is supposed to make us happier and our lives easier. But does it really?

If we somehow never advanced from our natural place on earth, I feel like our lives would be so much easier. All these stupid world problems like obesity, huge corporations, pollution, deforestation, sweat shops, overpopulation, world wars, on and on and on and on... none of this stuff would even be possible. I remember reading an article once about the remaining hunter-gatherer tribes in the Amazon. They found that on average, these people only worked for a few hours a day. And they were fucking happy! People today have so much more to do, so much more to worry about, so much more to take care of.

Anyone feel me on this? I just think I would have been a much happier, satisfied human being if I'd been born twenty or thirty thousand years ago. Or maybe if I was a monkey...




yeah, i understand where you are coming from.

read anything by the late great Joseph Campbell (i'd say start with "The Power Of Myth"). he equates all of the scratching and scraping and running and spitting our species does with the myths we tell ourselves about what it means to "exist", what it means to be a human.

you live out your cultural and personal myth. we all do, every day.

learn a new myth, live a different story.


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Re: Have humans strayed too far from nature? [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14356874 - 04/26/11 06:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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yeah, i understand where you are coming from.

read anything by the late great Joseph Campbell (i'd say start with "The Power Of Myth"). he equates all of the scratching and scraping and running and spitting our species does with the myths we tell ourselves about what it means to "exist", what it means to be a human.

you live out your cultural and personal myth. we all do, every day.

learn a new myth, live a different story.





Looks like they have this book at the campus library! Thanks for the suggestion.


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Re: Have humans strayed too far from nature? [Re: norm]
    #14357031 - 04/26/11 06:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Nature treated us good. But unfortunetely now, we arent doing te same for nature


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Re: Have humans strayed too far from nature? [Re: danlennon3]
    #14357043 - 04/26/11 06:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

People are using two different definitions of nature in this thread: Nature is EVERYTHING period. Not just trees, not just wildlife, it includes us as well. Nature has allowed us favorable conditions to be created of itself but nature has no concept of good or bad :shrug:


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Re: Have humans strayed too far from nature? [Re: twighead]
    #14357052 - 04/26/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I honestly think that artificially separating ourselves from "nature" is at the heart of our biggest problems as a species right now.


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Re: Have humans strayed too far from nature? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14357054 - 04/26/11 07:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well what's you're definition of nature than? We can't separate ourselves from ourselves.


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Re: Have humans strayed too far from nature? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #14357060 - 04/26/11 07:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i think our biggest problem as a society is not throwing imperfect babies off of cliffs like the spartans did.


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Re: Have humans strayed too far from nature? [Re: twighead]
    #14357063 - 04/26/11 07:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Well what's you're definition of nature than? We can't separate ourselves from ourselves.




Right... I agree.


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Re: Have humans strayed too far from nature? [Re: twighead]
    #14357074 - 04/26/11 07:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

you are definitely right that nature has no concept of good or bad... In a nutshell, throughout time our ancestors were just lucky!


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Re: Have humans strayed too far from nature? [Re: danlennon3]
    #14357082 - 04/26/11 07:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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you are definitely right that nature has no concept of good or bad... In a nutshell, throughout time our ancestors were just lucky!




One could argue that "natural selection" equals "rightness."

Unfortunately, people get the wrong idea when they hear this, and think they should use it to rationalize their faddish eugenics campaigns... :foreheadslap:


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Re: Have humans strayed too far from nature? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14357095 - 04/26/11 07:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i think if there is any evidence for the divine in human affairs its in our slow separation from the old natural standard.  Never forget, living things are violent exploitative evil fuckers by human standards.

Its a wonder we have such standards.  Though we may still be beasts in large part, some great rift between the before and hereafter seems to be taking place.  literally new shapes and patterns are forming



The light is shining 24/7 and everyone is home.

I look forward to the day when the old rules of mortality, competition, and limited immediate views of what constitutes our time and space are broken.

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Re: Have humans strayed too far from nature? [Re: tk3]
    #14357317 - 04/26/11 07:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm surprised no one has brought this up yet.  OP, have you considered that you would very likely not be alive today if it weren't for our technology?

How many people wear glasses, that would not be able to see without them?

How many times have you had surgery, gone to the doctor, or taken an antibiotic?

People used to die from simple flus and things of that nature ALL THE TIME.

The life expectancy of humans is up to ~80 years from <40 years just a couple hundred year ago.

Some of the things we have may seem luxurious, but when it comes down to it, where do we draw the line?  Should the person who needs a fake leg put in not get it so you can avoid the 'bullshit of day-to-day life'?


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